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The Worst of the Worst...

Lord Kurt Cobain

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Normally I wouldnt feel the need to do this, but I wanted to leave this here just to clear up any misunderstandings...


Here is Dionaya getting smoked 2 v 1 inside Frejas. This is after he refused to fight me 1 v 1 despite numerous attemps/offers. You can also clearly see Freja attacking me trying to defend and help Dionaya.



Dionaya death 2.jpg





That was going to be it. But of course as I'm leaving, and Dionaya's pride having been destroyed, he spams me in genchat to "POST THE LOOT". His exact words...

... so here is me "posting the loot":







Dionaya loot.png



I guess he didn't know I had a record for home invasions...

Be careful what you wish for!


-K I N G

 
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Dionaya

Visitor
hmm how did u shoot me through the wall?
hmm why did freja let you in to loot my body?
why did freja insist I stand in that particular tower? there are no chests for seeds?

seems the rumors about freja were true.

freja claims I left the house thats why she didn't res me to get my body
but you can clearly see I am in the house in this picture, stuck looking for stairs just as I said in gen chat.
freja thought I left castle and I saw her walk down stairs unban him and then let him in to loot my corpse.
just wondering if she did this out of spite for me joining GIL or was it at anothers request.

as for the exploit I'm now aware of it. enjoy the suit that's the last one you'll get from me in that manner.
as for freja's deceit TDO kos. now you got it how you like it freja either with you or against you. I AM NOW AGAINST YOU.

on a closing note this game is fundamentally based around non-consensual pvp and whether it be luna boys dramadeus or whomever should be the victor for that day, if they are cheating and we continue to play the game with knowledge they are cheating then we are tacitly agreeing that it is acceptable. I will continue to log on and joke around in gchat(and kill genesis over and over in gchat *winks*). as for the incident am I upset about it? yes, I'm upset I was betrayed by a person whom I felt was a mentor in UO. I am upset I lost the suit, which if he would post it is a very awesome mid-range sampire suit that I spent many hours collecting the parts. that being said, I will continue to log in and play because as much fun as I had wearing the suit I had 10x as much fun building the suit with my friends and neighbors in UWSP, as for freja a snake in grass is harmless once you know its there
there is a lot to be pondered on for the people who take my jokes in gchat seriously, I feel sorry for you... you've forgotten a core aspect of the game... that it is a game. It being a game, I would like everyone to know that I wish for everyone to have fun playing whichever meta they choose I play in uo. I am out to win at the meta I'm playing, hope you are too. and for those of you who cry "oh but he murdered and dry looted me" and think it ruins your game... its a game where you define your goals and area of play... so ultimately only you can ruin your own game =)

see ya on siege
*rude gesture in freja's direction*
and Amadeus I'm looking forward to many hours of sitting outside your house listening to you smack talk in the safety of your own home... hoping maybe someday you will come out and fight me.

*edited for grammar*
 
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FrejaSP

Queen of The Outlaws
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hmm how did u shoot me through the wall?
You was in a part of my castle tower, that was builded of crafted walls, you can attack through them. I had no idea Amad would attack player in my castle but he do have a lot of temper and you did piss him off.

hmm why did freja let you in to loot my body?
I did not, I was stuppid enough to get outside my castle, when still aggressore from attacking Amad and could not get in again. Amad was not friended to the castle, but like all others, he can get in the first doors as he was not banned. I did not let him in the center of the castle.

why did freja insist I stand in that particular tower? there are no chests for seeds?
Because I keep my seed in that backpack on floor, where you was attacked.

seems the rumors about freja were true.
All who know me, will tell you different.

freja claims I left the house thats why she didn't res me to get my body
but you can clearly see I am in the house in this picture, stuck looking for stairs just as I said in gen chat.
freja thought I left castle and I saw her walk down stairs unban him and then let him in to loot my corpse.
just wondering if she did this out of spite for me joining GIL or was it at anothers request.
No I claim I left the house, and forgot, as flaged, I could not get in again, and that's why you had to wait for a res.

as for the exploit I'm now aware of it. enjoy the suit that's the last one you'll get from me in that manner.
as for freja's deceit TDO kos. now you got it how you like it freja either with you or against you. I AM NOW AGAINST YOU.
I understand you are mad, so am I, for being so clumsy.

I'm upset I was betrayed by a person whom I felt was a mentor in UO. I am upset I lost the suit
Trust me, I'm upset too. I do trust people a lot and in 99% I can. In almost 20 years, I had never had a friend of me kill and loot someone in my house. I'm very disappointed. Just like thieves have a rule, don't steal from an other thief, there are rules for friendship too and what Amad did to me, is not ok in my book.

I don't care how much you and Amad trash talk each others or kill and loot each others as long it is not in my castle!
 

GarthGrey

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UNLEASHED
You was in a part of my castle tower, that was builded of crafted walls, you can attack through them. I had no idea Amad would attack player in my castle but he do have a lot of temper and you did piss him off.



I did not, I was stuppid enough to get outside my castle, when still aggressore from attacking Amad and could not get in again. Amad was not friended to the castle, but like all others, he can get in the first doors as he was not banned. I did not let him in the center of the castle.


Because I keep my seed in that backpack on floor, where you was attacked.


All who know me, will tell you different.



No I claim I left the house, and forgot, as flaged, I could not get in again, and that's why you had to wait for a res.


I understand you are mad, so am I, for being so clumsy.


Trust me, I'm upset too. I do trust people a lot and in 99% I can. In almost 20 years, I had never had a friend of me kill and loot someone in my house. I'm very disappointed. Just like thieves have a rule, don't steal from an other thief, there are rules for friendship too and what Amad did to me, is not ok in my book.

I don't care how much you and Amad trash talk each others or kill and loot each others as long it is not in my castle!
I knew you weren't going to bed, drama means too much to you lol... :p :pirate:
 

Silent Singer

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*cracks knuckles*

Ahem...

1. You have always been able to shoot into houses that have player constructed portions. It is how the GIL auction was interrupted recently. There is no conspiracy with this part, unless ignorance is a conspiracy itself (which Dionaya is making a convincing argument for every day).

2. You suspect Freja of luring you into her house so Amadeus could kill you? I might be the last person on Siege to defend Freja, but even I will say that isn't her style. Anyone who has played on Siege for ANY amount of time knows that to be true. Ask your guildmates, they will concur.

3. Which leads me to #3. TDO is KOS now? So you call the shots in GIL now? Because the last time I saw you, you immediately tried to All Kill me without me even revealing who I was. More level-headed members of GIL showed up and told you to leave. I'm honestly surprised you are still in GIL. I give them hell all the time, but at the end of the day they are mostly respectable folks just doing their thing. They mind their own business and they play according to a fairly rigid set of rules. I'm not sure you got that memo though. Would you like me to post a link as a refresher?

Maybe instead of blaming others for you getting owned, try running your mouth in GC less. Then folks like Amadeus wouldn't have such a strong desire to kill and loot you.
 

Dionaya

Visitor
OK SS first off you trained me with 3 greater dragons. I came out and you didn't reveal yourself at all

so naturally I figured you could be hostile... I never once attacked you. only prepared to defend myself. rather than de-stealthing and de-escalating the situation you immediately start crying gchat how I attacked you when I did not, and it was in fact you who trained me with 3 greater dragons.

Not going to get into this with you, do you realize how ridiculous you sound holding it against me for having all kill ready? Am I not allowed to defend myself against a stealthier who has just aggressed me? Mind you just did a hostile action and I STILL gave you the benefit of the doubt.

The only reason GIL came to your defense on the matter is because they were looking for reason to manufacture an excuse to kick me out. They were unhappy with my fireside chats with LB.
 
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Silent Singer

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Hostile. You definitely haven't been on Siege long if you think someone walking out of a dungeon with dragons targetting them is a hostile action to you. But then again, it wasn't in a house so I can see your confusion....
 

FrejaSP

Queen of The Outlaws
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I learned one thing, if you attack someone outside your house, don't move or you will find yourself outside unable to get in again, as long you are flaged. With fights with someone inside, that won't happen unless you are not not a friend of the house.
 

cazador

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This thread sounds like a bunch of trammies are getting griefed..isn't siege "hardcore"


....
 

Tuco Ramirez

Visitor
hmm how did u shoot me through the wall?
hmm why did freja let you in to loot my body?
why did freja insist I stand in that particular tower? there are no chests for seeds?

seems the rumors about freja were true.

freja claims I left the house thats why she didn't res me to get my body
but you can clearly see I am in the house in this picture, stuck looking for stairs just as I said in gen chat.
freja thought I left castle and I saw her walk down stairs unban him and then let him in to loot my corpse.
just wondering if she did this out of spite for me joining GIL or was it at anothers request.

as for the exploit I'm now aware of it. enjoy the suit that's the last one you'll get from me in that manner.
as for freja's deceit TDO kos. now you got it how you like it freja either with you or against you. I AM NOW AGAINST YOU.

on a closing note this game is fundamentally based around non-consensual pvp and whether it be luna boys dramadeus or whomever should be the victor for that day, if they are cheating and we continue to play the game with knowledge they are cheating then we are tacitly agreeing that it is acceptable. I will continue to log on and joke around in gchat(and kill genesis over and over in gchat *winks*). as for the incident am I upset about it? yes, I'm upset I was betrayed by a person whom I felt was a mentor in UO. I am upset I lost the suit, which if he would post it is a very awesome mid-range sampire suit that I spent many hours collecting the parts. that being said, I will continue to log in and play because as much fun as I had wearing the suit I had 10x as much fun building the suit with my friends and neighbors in UWSP, as for freja a snake in grass is harmless once you know its there
there is a lot to be pondered on for the people who take my jokes in gchat seriously, I feel sorry for you... you've forgotten a core aspect of the game... that it is a game. It being a game, I would like everyone to know that I wish for everyone to have fun playing whichever meta they choose I play in uo. I am out to win at the meta I'm playing, hope you are too. and for those of you who cry "oh but he murdered and dry looted me" and think it ruins your game... its a game where you define your goals and area of play... so ultimately only you can ruin your own game =)

see ya on siege
*rude gesture in freja's direction*
and Amadeus I'm looking forward to many hours of sitting outside your house listening to you smack talk in the safety of your own home... hoping maybe someday you will come out and fight me.

*edited for grammar*
 

Tekagi

Visitor
Stratics Veteran
Well, Siege is truly a hardcore and in many occasions "unfair" shard. But it has this sense of community, economy and unique player interaction, that other shards and MMOs lack. To me, Siege is much more entertaining and gives all the more reason to continue. But of course, there is one thing that i very much disagree with and that is dry looting corpses of players, that you kill. The reason for it is, that it is the ultimate form of player humiliation and many players can find this very discouraging. Ultima Online is already suffering from low player base, Siege player base is even thinner. If we, as a community will discourage players from playing. We will soon be playing alone.

I was recently killed by a player named Xiahou, it was an unfair fight, he looted me, but later when i offered money for my equipment, he gave it back for no cost with exception of one or two a bit better items. And that is ok. I like that, he is an ok guy in my book. PK for me is not about fair fighting. It is about murder and that is okay. You can ransom the poor guy for money or resources, you can take a portion of the equipment. The game is more unique for it. But just sucker punching a guy for unrelated example in 2v1 fight, stealing everything and than mocking him, is so self destructive and disgusting, that i have no words for it. Imagine it, you inflict a lot of stress onto someone, and he will crack. Strait up refuse to be subjected to such an event again and i cant blame him. He leaves siege and maybe UO forever. Congratulations, your efforts just removed a player, the server you play on is now more empty and game that you love is closer to extinction. Cant you just exhibit some honor or sense of self preservation and preservation of the way you play? There are unfortunately players that practice this type of toxic behavior.

How can we even hope to have more players when situations like when a friendly and soft spirited player was training taming for a long time, finally able to tame desired dragon, she rides to low level PVE dungeon hoping to test this dragon in fight... Than two guys appears out of nowhere riding a 5th year veteran reward mount, they kill the dragon and the player with ease, dry loot her corpse and than mock her in general chat. That is ********. That is not hardcore gaming, that is mean spirited stress and pain inflicting behavior. This situation happened to my friend few years back, when i was trying to show uniqueness of UO to her ... And she loved it, player housing, crafting system, taming, living economy... But when this happened to her and she realized that it can happen at any time, it was an instant off switch.

I know... You can always say to such players "go play production shards", problem is that they are lacking in every other aspect. It would be great if the community of siege would exhibit lesser levels of ****** or if the rule set could be changed. For example. PK can loot 2 items from the body and as soon as this happens, body will lock and teleport back to its owner. Because, lets be honest here, two rare items is enough to piss your victim off. But not enough, to make them quit. + it is very much able to keep the item market alive and prospering.
Win / Win.

The way we play ultima has changed A LOT over the years. Now we have an item focused gameplay. It would make sense to change the rule set with it. Adapt and evolve or extinct. It is not optimal to have old laws in new era.

But now that i got this off my chest.

I know Freja from few years back. I think i met her around 2013 when i was a member of NEW2. To me, Freja was always about Neutrality. She is like Switzerland. It is hard for me to imagine her luring some poor player to her home just to be murdered and looted. She is not a boogie man.

Dionaya was asking for it... So yea, i agree with him getting looted for that, but still. I think 2 items or a ransom would be a lesson enough. Show of power and compassion.
 

FrejaSP

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Even when I never loot, I believe looting need to stay as it also are used as punish for bad actions. If you play Trammel and someone keep trash talk you or in other way grief you, you only have one options, call a GM. On Siege, they may find them self looted a lot until they learn to behave.

Siege seem to get more players and special more PvP players, both good and evil and new PK's on Siege will learn, dry looting their victims will get them in bad standing with the shard. Some will choose to pay them back the favor, others will refuse to trade with them and they will have to changes or give up.

The real problem on Siege, is items are balanced vs Item Insurance on normal shards. We had tried in the past, to ask for changes, but the shard rarely agree, so it is hard to ask for something if half of the shard say no.
I do believe most agree, that changes to the way we get items could help.
Better drop from monsters:
Give Siege chars 1000 basis luck, that will stack with item luck
Add 2x resource drop, also for imbuing resources.
Increase fame on Siege monsters. (to get higher level of drop)

Other changes that could help:
Get rid of 3 x NPC prices (special gems are very expensive)
Lower vendor fee or remove it (so more will stack their vendors)
If it get easier to replace items, getting looted won't be as bad as it is now

An other thing that could help, allow recall on Siege, maybe with 10 sec delay

But again, this is my opinion, and several do not agree with me

If we can keep the new players we are getting right now, we will get even more players. For most, it was not the looting that made them give up, but the feeling of playing on a dead shard. Like in your case, most will give back most of the items again, if their victim ask nicely instead of start trash talk them. Also if they lose their only suit and ask in Gen chat for help to get a new basis suit, with LRC and maybe 1-2 more mods, someone will help, that be a crafter, PvM'er or someone buying a suit from vendors. I had often seen someone buy a suit from my vendors and give to someone, that be a newbie or dry looted player.
The same PK may dry loot one player and res and not loot an other player. Trash talk in Gen Chat and insta ressing and try to loot body before the PK is done looking at the body can make the PK mad and a mad PK is not kind.

I know Freja from few years back. I think i met her around 2013 when i was a member of NEW2. To me, Freja was always about Neutrality. She is like Switzerland. It is hard for me to imagine her luring some poor player to her home just to be murdered and looted. She is not a boogie man.
Thanks for the nice words, and you right, I would never do something like that, but I believe most on the shard know that :)
Welcome back, say hi to me next time you see me.
 

Tekagi

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Stratics Veteran
I can agree with you that Item availability is a viable option on how to resolve this situation. Also yea, economy could use a boost.

Alternative to this could be my point with the looting restriction. Not removing the system. On the contrary i like that there is a possibility to punish someone or profit as a PVP oriented character. But i think that looting entire inventory is a bit too extreme. If you take few items of a corpse... Its a slap that hurts. If you take everything...That can be abused and can cause unnecessary pain. You can slap someone into submission easily if you perform it couple of times. Possibility of dry looting a player is in my opinion an extreme use of force. Overkill. And i believe that it does not fare well with the majority of the MMO player base be it UO or other.

In any case... I feel that something needs to be done and concerns voiced to the developers. As i said, the way we play now is very different to the way UO was way back when i fist played it. Back then it was common to ride naked on your horse with a bag of reagents in your inventory and you did not care much if someone got their hands on you reagents. Now we have legendary artifacts, every new expansion brings stronger items and we still use the same system... There is a number of nonsense rules like energy vortex and blade spirits being weaker but Rising colossus or animated weapon remain the same. Why? Because mysticism is a relatively new skill and as such it is not included in the venerable rules of siege.

And yea... Player count is not great, the biggest guilds in siege are quite small in comparison with other MMO. Also since i came back, i got this feeling that siege is more hostile than when i left it. I get a lot of Flamestrikes and arrows instead of simple "Hello, how do you do?"

I enjoyed my time in NEW2, it was a unique experience for me and you deserve recognition for such an amazing effort toward new players. A lot of people tent to disagree with you recently. I heard about the Luna Boys problem, but i respect a neutral standing. Even if i do not share it myself. We already met some days back in New Magincia, you were inspecting house design if i recall our conversation correctly. Tekagi is not my in game name, but i can say that i am a member of GIL. One that more or less keeps to himself.
 
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