The Top Ten Lies Cheaters Tell Themselves

[Lord Chaos]

You know, its funny, the only ones devaluing my gameplay and the game, are you rabid anti-cheaters.

And honestly, cheats or no, its delusional to say that this is anything other than a game, its a computer GAME. Its nothing more, nothing less.

To start throwing in game "morals" in with real life morals is equally delusional, its like saying PK'ers teach children that murdering people is ok or that all PvP'ers are morally corrupt in real life and violent people.

 

[Evlar]

its like saying PK'ers teach children that murdering people is ok or that all PvP'ers are morally corrupt in real life and violent people.

Your "average" PK'er...

 

[Llewen]

The only thing I would disagree with is that I think scripting is a far bigger problem than speeding - scripting in every aspect of the game.

That statement is such deranged insanity I can only shake my head at you. Speeding KILLS people, speeding destroy real lives, speeding maims people, speeding destroy real property and take away real resources from us.

@Lord Chaos
I am quite positive "speeding" referred to speed-hacking, without even needing to look up the reply you quote. At least I hope so.

Chaos was being deliberately obtuse. He does it all the time. He does it to deflect criticism, confuse conversations and obscure the issues, especially whenever the discussion revolves around cheats and the use of cheats. Of course I was talking about speed hacking.

 

[Cogniac]

Slippery Slope Fallacy

 

[Lord Chaos]

Chaos was being deliberately obtuse. He does it all the time. He does it to deflect criticism, confuse conversations and obscure the issues, especially whenever the discussion revolves around cheats and the use of cheats. Of course I was talking about speed hacking.

Well, you were talking about regular speeding earlier, so be more precise.

 

[Llewen]

The game has nearly made the average player need a local scripter just to compete. Who else has the time to chop random trees for specific wood or random ore spots? Granted these were fixes for the scripter in the first place but the fix was worse for the game than the problem in the first place.

I understand the EC will allow a person to macro some production like making pots but when I transfer a char to make a beachhead I want to bring 5K of each pot and this gives two options being make them or buy them, both of which might have a element of scripting.

This runs perilously close to the "I need to cheat to compete" lie. However, that aside, there is scripting and there is scripting. You can script with a G15 keyboard, and create advanced macros, and loop them, and you can create some pretty advanced macros with UOA and in the enhanced client.

There is a line that probably could be crossed there but for the most part we have been told that programmable input devices are acceptable. As long as you are present at your keyboard, you are free to make use of the capabilities of your programmable input devices.

But there is a huge difference between what can be done with a programmable mouse or keyboard, and what can be done with "The-Program-Which-Shall-Not-Be-Named". That program hacks the memory that the UO client uses, and it alters the data stream.

It is specifically designed to allow the creation of powerful scripts for the UO 2D client, and while it may not allow you to do much that is technically impossible with the client, it allows you to do many things which are practically impossible. It can play the entire game for you, from farming for resources, to advanced pvm, and can perform important functions for you in pvp in ways that would be practically impossible for anyone who was not using a similar cheat.

The differences between what you can do with a programmable input device, and "The-Program-Which-Shall-Not-Be-Named" are night and day. Having said that there are things which you can do with a programmable input device which would be a clear violation of the TOS, beyond simply allowing for a certain level of unattended game play. So even with those devices you do need to apply some common sense.

 

[Nexus]

And honestly, cheats or no, its delusional to say that this is anything other than a game, its a computer GAME. Its nothing more, nothing less.

Tell that to all the guys sitting in Clark County Detention Center in Nevada who got busted for cheating at a game.... in a Casino. It's no different just on a different level, cheating is cheating, be it on your taxes at a casino, or on a Game. Cheating is morally and ethically wrong period, and should not be encouraged.

 

[Lord Chaos]

Tell that to all the guys sitting in Clark County Detention Center in Nevada who got busted for cheating at a game.... in a Casino. It's no different just on a different level, cheating is cheating, be it on your taxes at a casino, or on a Game. Cheating is morally and ethically wrong period, and should not be encouraged.

This is a game for money, that actually cheats someone out of their real money directly, so yes, that is illegal. But has nothing to do with MMOs.

 

[Pawain]

This is a game for money, that actually cheats someone out of their real money directly, so yes, that is illegal. But has nothing to do with MMOs.

Hmmm I pay for the right to play this game. Your cheating devalues the items and resources I get.

So you are stealing RL monetary value from my gaming experience.

 

[Lord Chaos]

Hmmm I pay for the right to play this game. Your cheating devalues the items and resources I get.

So you are stealing RL monetary value from my gaming experience.

Thats BS, so does any good legitimate player or just players in general. You're getting what you paid for and you're not making money of this.

no comparison.

 

[Nexus]

This is a game for money, that actually cheats someone out of their real money directly, so yes, that is illegal. But has nothing to do with MMOs.

So you don't have to pay anything for the chips you use to place bets in Vegas? And yes you are directly screwing someone out of Money if you are using Cheat programs. EA/Mythic instead of developing quality content they have to focus on combating Speed Hacks and 3rd Party Program Detection. You think the Devs work on that are doing it for free? Now Mythic is spending money on combating cheats by paying devs then they will have to pay the exact same amount of man hours out for further content for the game that would have already have been done.

Additionally even if you talk about virtual currency or in game currency which has everything to do with MMOs cheats have seriously damaged the economy in the game, not EA/Mythic. They put in reasonable gold sinks, scripts have resulted in those being ineffective, what do you think the point of community collections was. Spend 12.1 mil on the top tier item or spend countless hours getting it by turn ins..... Yea I'd spend the gold.... Now thanks to rampant scripting some bot is turning in Bucklers 24/7 for Mace and Shields... Instead of the gold being sunk out of the game it's sunk onto a scripters vendor. Every single attempt at a Gold Sink comes with a counter method so the "have not" part of Sosaria can obtain the same reward through honest hard work. Unfortunately Scripts exploit this...

The only reasonable solution is to give a 72 hour ban to all caught scripters the first time, then a CC & IP/MAC address ban the second time for good....
Soon as a few get caught, the others will get smart... and the economy will begin to deflate....I promise it will deflate, except on Community Collections items and Artifacts there will be more competition between people selling driving prices down once mass suppliers are washed out.

 

[Tina Small]

So you don't have to pay anything for the chips you use to place bets in Vegas? And yes you are directly screwing someone out of Money if you are using Cheat programs. EA/Mythic instead of developing quality content they have to focus on combating Speed Hacks and 3rd Party Program Detection. You think the Devs work on that are doing it for free? Now Mythic is spending money on combating cheats by paying devs then they will have to pay the exact same amount of man hours out for further content for the game that would have already have been done.

Additionally even if you talk about virtual currency or in game currency which has everything to do with MMOs cheats have seriously damaged the economy in the game, not EA/Mythic. They put in reasonable gold sinks, scripts have resulted in those being ineffective, what do you think the point of community collections was. Spend 12.1 mil on the top tier item or spend countless hours getting it by turn ins..... Yea I'd spend the gold.... Now thanks to rampant scripting some bot is turning in Bucklers 24/7 for Mace and Shields... Instead of the gold being sunk out of the game it's sunk onto a scripters vendor. Every single attempt at a Gold Sink comes with a counter method so the "have not" part of Sosaria can obtain the same reward through honest hard work. Unfortunately Scripts exploit this...

The only reasonable solution is to give a 72 hour ban to all caught scripters the first time, then a CC & IP/MAC address ban the second time for good....
Soon as a few get caught, the others will get smart... and the economy will begin to deflate....I promise it will deflate, except on Community Collections items and Artifacts there will be more competition between people selling driving prices down once mass suppliers are washed out.

I would add to the above list the idea that because people have quit playing UO in the past because of cheating (SickLover is an example of one person that I know stated such today here in UHall that he took a vacation because of the cheating, but I imagine there have been plenty of others), EA/Mythic has lost out on receiving subscription fees from those people. I would venture to guess that the fees EA would have received from those people could have been used to fix bugs in the game or add content for all to enjoy. At the very least, you could probably argue that the loss of subscription fees from people who were annoyed by all the cheating and the money and time EA has to spend to police the cheaters has impacted the company's bottom line/profits. Such a result would impact the value of EA stock and in some sense "cheat" stockholders who bought and sold such stock or employees who received EA stock as part of their compensation.

 

[MasterP]

WOW MY HEAD HURTS. TO MUCH WHHHNN WHHHHH WHHHHHH. IF YOUR GOING TO CRY ABOUT PVPERS WE DONT CARE TO READ A 10 PAGE STORY. Ohh and we dont cheat we are just smarter at the game

 

[Lt.Snuggles]

thanks for taking your time and posting this..it's freaking awesome,but clearly i could give 2 ****s about it,i hack..i love it..thanks for giving us hackers so much attention.... basically everybody who complains about cheating is nothing more than a hypocrite...

 

[SuperKen]

You know what I'm sick of?

All the whining. Good lord, whining bothers me more than anyone hacking, scripting, speedhacking.

If you can't cut it in PvP, then so be it. Don't make excuses for yourself. But if you must, please keep your arrogant holier-than-thou attitudes in check. You are not "better" people than those who cheat.

 

[UltimatePower]

You know what I'm sick of?

All the whining. Good lord, whining bothers me more than anyone hacking, scripting, speedhacking.

If you can't cut it in PvP, then so be it. Don't make excuses for yourself. But if you must, please keep your arrogant holier-than-thou attitudes in check. You are not "better" people than those who cheat.

LoL, funny coming from someone who's entire guild is made up of cheaters, who can't play legit.

 

[HD2300]

There once was a program called punkbuster, but the scripters and their brokers got together and spammed stratics, and the EA listened. So this very vocal minority got their way and screwed UO. People who make real life cash from UO are very vocal on the forums. Deja vu.

 

[kelmo]

*shakes head*