The Developers are sneaky

[Old Man of UO]

Working my way through another loaded treasure chest, it occurred to me this morning that adding essences to treasure chests is going to put the scripters out of business, or greatly curtail their profits. I've hunted for every imbuing ingredient I've needed, and sometimes it was a long and hard search when I cold have just purchased those ingredients from a vendor in Luna. Now I don't need to, and this is way more fun than grinding the spawn in the Abyss. I know, someone is going to say we need to add the ML reagents, but at least those can't easily be scripted... and that horse has been beaten to death.

The scaremongers are saying how the price of these imbuing ingredients were going to skyrocket once the cheaters were banned... now I can see that isn't going to happen. We now have a second source for these ingredients, and UO will live on for another day.

The sky isn't falling, and the UO Developers are sneaky!

 

[RavenWinterHawk]

Working my way through another loaded treasure chest, it occurred to me this morning that adding essences to treasure chests is going to put the scripters out of business, or greatly curtail their profits. I've hunted for every imbuing ingredient I've needed, and sometimes it was a long and hard search when I cold have just purchased those ingredients from a vendor in Luna. Now I don't need to, and this is way more fun than grinding the spawn in the Abyss. I know, someone is going to say we need to add the ML reagents, but at least those can't easily be scripted... and that horse has been beaten to death.

The scaremongers are saying how the price of these imbuing ingredients were going to skyrocket once the cheaters were banned... now I can see that isn't going to happen. We now have a second source for these ingredients, and UO will live on for another day.

The sky isn't falling, and the UO Developers are sneaky!

Sadly they just move to something else.

 

[Green Mouser]

Working my way through another loaded treasure chest, it occurred to me this morning that adding essences to treasure chests is going to put the scripters out of business, or greatly curtail their profits. I've hunted for every imbuing ingredient I've needed, and sometimes it was a long and hard search when I cold have just purchased those ingredients from a vendor in Luna. Now I don't need to, and this is way more fun than grinding the spawn in the Abyss. I know, someone is going to say we need to add the ML reagents, but at least those can't easily be scripted... and that horse has been beaten to death.

The scaremongers are saying how the price of these imbuing ingredients were going to skyrocket once the cheaters were banned... now I can see that isn't going to happen. We now have a second source for these ingredients, and UO will live on for another day.

The sky isn't falling, and the UO Developers are sneaky!

I think it is great "big picture" planning that the Devs have given us the ability to gather imbuing ingredients through hunting, quests, crafting and now T-maps. The ability to get the ingredients in more than one method helps many who don't just hunt. I can tell you tho that T-maps is not the Salvation you are looking for. The maps are time consuming and 6 imbue ingredients per chest is not the mother load. I have done over 30 maps now and I havent seen the entire spectrum of ingredients or anything close. Perhaps it is the RNG but all I have gotten are cauliflower essences and abyssal cloth.

But to your point. Yes it is great having another source!

 

[Old Man of UO]

I think it is great "big picture" planning that the Devs have given us the ability to gather imbuing ingredients through hunting, quests, crafting and now T-maps. The ability to get the ingredients in more than one method helps many who don't just hunt. I can tell you tho that T-maps is not the Salvation you are looking for. The maps are time consuming and 6 imbue ingredients per chest is not the mother load. I have done over 30 maps now and I havent seen the entire spectrum of ingredients or anything close. Perhaps it is the RNG but all I have gotten are cauliflower essences and abyssal cloth.

But to your point. Yes it is great having another source!

Hmm... I wasn't looking for a "Salvation," rather just another tool to remove scripting or the desire to script. But as you point out, I'm glad for another source.

I can't see how T-Maps are all that time consuming compared to gathering the essences by spawn slaughter. The last few LVL 6 chests were done in about 20 minutes - of course, I'm not pulling everything out of the chest. Compare that to how long it takes to get 6 essences from the Abyss spawns. I've been pretty lucky and getting a broad range of essences... the RNG isn't usually that nice to me.

 

[longshanks]

i think your stretching the point a bit about scripters in the abyss.

A well thought out character can solo any mini spawn in no time at all down there.

I'm not saying scripters don't exist in this game, just i never found it a big deal to get as much of any essence that i needed.

Now if your talking about the other drops in the cavern of the discarded, such as seeds, crystal shards and the like, i'm all for putting them in the t-chests. As a matter of fact I'd rather see them in the chests than essences.

 

[G.v.P]

Perhaps it is the RNG but all I have gotten are cauliflower essences and abyssal cloth.

Pretty sure that's all you can get. Not sure on # of cloth, but essence is 1:1 per level of map, so a LVL 2 gives 2 essence, LVL 6 gives 6.

I like the recipes the best. I wasn't able to get all the ones I wanted from Heartwood because I gave up, and now I'm getting some I need through T-Maps.

 

[Lord Chaos]

Why on earth would you need scripting to gain essences.

That makes no sense, they're relatively easy to make yourself if you want them.

 

[Old Man of UO]

i think your stretching the point a bit about scripters in the abyss. ...

Not stretching it at all. Until recently, scripters were at the rat spawn daily, 20+ hours a day. That may not have been on all shards, but it was on mine.

 

[Lord Chaos]

lol? You had ONE scripter there and its an epidemic? I've never seen one at any spawn on Europa.

Its very hard to set up, requires advanced scripting knowledge and the ability to script at a very advanced level, which only very very few people can do.

As far as I remembered a GM took care of it, so what are you whining about again?

 

[Old Man of UO]

lol? You had ONE scripter there and its an epidemic? I've never seen one at any spawn on Europa.

Its very hard to set up, requires advanced scripting knowledge and the ability to script at a very advanced level, which only very very few people can do.

As far as I remembered a GM took care of it, so what are you whining about again?

I only posted about one scripter here, reported several. I wasn't whining, I was thanking the Developers for making your UO life more difficult.

But you know, you must be a really smart feller to know so much about script programs and not ever using them. Or was it used them, but don't any more? Or only associate with friends who use them? I don't know... it seems to change as you try making points in your arguments. Maybe you aren't so smart as you think.

Still... go troll somewhere else.

 

[Lord Chaos]

I only posted about one scripter here, reported several.

Ah yes, your shard is magically infested with scripters that are nowhere else to be found.

Or perhaps its simply the same scripter, just with a new account.

I wasn't whining, I was thanking the Developers for making your UO life more difficult.

How exactly is my UO life more difficult?

But you know, you must be a really smart feller to know so much about script programs and not ever using them.

I am a programmer by education and I have extensive knowledge of these programs thanks to my openness, as people open up to me a lot and tells me what they're doing. It does put me in an crappy situation when I know there are loudmouth posters, gamers or otherwise who act high and mighty, and I know they cheat themselves. But sadly, the price of people being open, is that I don't reveal these things.

But I am quite sure I could deliver quite a few bombs in the various communities if people knew what I knew about their friends, their guildmates and even their family and spouses.

Or was it used them, but don't any more? Or only associate with friends who use them? I don't know... it seems to change as you try making points in your arguments.

My stance has never changed, quit making up lies to try and slander. I do associate with people who use them. Some of them way better people than you'll ever be.

 

[Old Man of UO]

lol? You had ONE scripter there and its an epidemic? I've never seen one at any spawn on Europa...

Ah yes, your shard is magically infested with scripters that are nowhere else to be found.

Or perhaps its simply the same scripter, just with a new account. ...

Which is it? The shards are infested, or not? You keep trying to play both sides of the argument. Good job there! Keep your troll going.

 

[Lord Chaos]

lol? You had ONE scripter there and its an epidemic? I've never seen one at any spawn on Europa...

Ah yes, your shard is magically infested with scripters that are nowhere else to be found.

Or perhaps its simply the same scripter, just with a new account. ...

Which is it? The shards are infested, or not? You keep trying to play both sides of the argument. Good job there! Keep your troll going.

lrn2english, lrn2singular, lrn2plural

 

[GarthGrey]

lrn2english, lrn2singular, lrn2plural

Why is it some of us can't Fart in the Hall without a warning, yet you seem to be able to dance around, troll more than anyone I've ever seen, and sling personal attacks like your middle name is Stratics? Oh, IBTL which wouldn't have occurred were it not for you. :gun::gun:

 

[Splup]

Lord Chaos has some serious issues when it comes to talking about cheats.

 

[Lord Chaos]

Why is it some of us can't Fart in the Hall without a warning, yet you seem to be able to dance around, troll more than anyone I've ever seen, and sling personal attacks like your middle name is Stratics? Oh, IBTL which wouldn't have occurred were it not for you. :gun::gun:

Telling him lrn2english is not a personal attack, especially when he's clearly both attacking and trolling me.

And who says I haven't been both warned, given infractions or been banned?

You just couldn't see it if its the case.

 

[Old Man of UO]

Lord Chaos, sweetheart... no one is attacking you. Just pointing out that your argument is inconsistent. You should really try harder to remember what you've posted... and you are also off topic. We all know your purpose is to get this thread and any thread with an anti-cheat theme locked by trolling.

I know you have this infatuation with me, but dear, you're not my type and your affection is misplaced. Please go try flirting with the people in the other threads and maybe you will find like companionship.

 

[Lord Chaos]

Since the meaning still escape you, try and learn the difference between a shard and shards.

 

[Cear Dallben Dragon]

Since the meaning still escape you, try and learn the difference between a shard and shards.

lrn2engrish

 

[Lord Chaos]

Either way is legit.

But

1. I am not making it an attacking point, like he did with making one shard into shards.
2. As I am not a native writer, then I don't care.

 

[popps]

I know, someone is going to say we need to add the ML reagents

Hmmm......... I wonder who this someone could be................. hmmmmm....

Wonderfull (and much needed) addition it would be, though.....

 

[Basara]

Any person fresh out of New Haven quests can farm the SA essences. It's not like you HAVE to kill renowned creatures for them. I can get them on my human beggar, using JOAT to read Blade Spirit scrolls and tossing explosion pots with a EC ring.

ML ingredients are much harder to come by, and contrary to the opinion of some, nearly impossible to find the useful ones for sale on many shards. Of course, that's really a factor of the broken implementation of ML, where the 5% of craftable items actually WORTH crafting all require the same single "minor" ingredient, that spawns at a fraction of the rate of the others, and is required in stacks of 10 (more if you fail your crafting attempt, since unlike essence the ingredients can be consumed in failure)....

... while the other recipes only make items no one in their right mind would want (or use mining gems that a person can get with SA quests), and the remaining minor ingredients are only useful in recipes that ALSO require the hard-to-get ones.

But as one said, that's another argument.

 

[popps]

But as one said, that's another argument.

You know, I would love to hear the Developers' point of view.

I mean, it is all clear to me that many reasons point it to the necessity and actually advisability of adding more spawn sources for ML ingredients like you very well pointed out.

Yet, fact is, that in Treasure Chests we have no ML ingredients added.

So, the Developers might be of a different opinion (at least one might get this impression...).

Since I cannot imagine, for the life of me, any good reasons for not adding alternate sources for ML ingredients, especially when imbuing ingredients are seeing a much different design logic, as I said, I would love to hear the developers' argument what it is.

Sure, this is their game and so we only end up playing what they want, but since when, an open discussion over something game related, cannot be constructive ?

Alright, you (the developers) do not want the game to have alternate sources of spawn for ML ingredients while you are instead creating a whole lot of imbuing alternate spawn sources (a design inception which I 100% favour and support).

Can we please at the very least get to know the "why" of this ?

Thanks.

 

[Old Man of UO]

Any person fresh out of New Haven quests can farm the SA essences. It's not like you HAVE to kill renowned creatures for them. I can get them on my human beggar, using JOAT to read Blade Spirit scrolls and tossing explosion pots with a EC ring.

ML ingredients are much harder to come by, and contrary to the opinion of some, nearly impossible to find the useful ones for sale on many shards. Of course, that's really a factor of the broken implementation of ML, where the 5% of craftable items actually WORTH crafting all require the same single "minor" ingredient, that spawns at a fraction of the rate of the others, and is required in stacks of 10 (more if you fail your crafting attempt, since unlike essence the ingredients can be consumed in failure)....

... while the other recipes only make items no one in their right mind would want (or use mining gems that a person can get with SA quests), and the remaining minor ingredients are only useful in recipes that ALSO require the hard-to-get ones.

But as one said, that's another argument.

I can't find a reason to disagree with what you said, and think that's one of the better arguments I've read on the subject.

Instead of just adding the ML ingredients to the chests, would you consider:
1) another yet to be defined source of the ML ingredients - perhaps fishing MIBs?
2) ingredients would be specific to the shards the treasure map is located on. Such as, ML ingredients would be Malas, Trammel and Felucca; while SA ingredients would be found from T-Maps on Ter Mur and Ilshenar.

 

[popps]

while SA ingredients would be found from T-Maps on Ter Mur and Ilshenar.

Adding ML ingredients to chests fished up could be a good way to provide an alternate source for ML ingredients.

As in regards to the Stygian Abyss, though, there is just too little water for any serious fishing to be done there.........

 

[Lady Storm]

When was the last time you went shopping on a not so populated shard??

I agree the Dev are a sneeky lot, they get paid to be the tricky ones.

Ok back to the point I was making.

I have shopped on quite a few and yes I see a few with the new imbuing tons as Ol man says, but many of the ingot, gem, wood and ML ingredient super stocked vendors are dry.
Its few and far between to find a full ingot vendor even on modestly populated shards.

(I still want ml stuff too in chests but perhaps fishing ones?)