Thank you, Mesanna

[Lady Khaleesi]

What a nice surprise to log on to Atlantic and here people saying, "The office is in!!" Though the stable has been an ample spot to use, my dragons are quite happy with both!!!!
Vesper and her citizens thank you!!!

 

[MalagAste]

So now wait just a foul minute... you get a runebook locked down in that???????

 

[Faeryl]

So now wait just a foul minute... you get a runebook locked down in that???????

I'm fairly sure it's not locked down...

 

[Lord Lew]

Good grief, that response about the rune book is why the fun has evaporated.. This whole why did they get that, I want this greedy mindset is what has derailed this system and threatens to destroy it.

*walks away in disgust*

 

[MalagAste]

Good grief, that response about the rune book is why the fun has evaporated.. This whole why did they get that, I want this greedy mindset is what has derailed this system and threatens to destroy it.

*walks away in disgust*

Not about greed it's about fairness.... Tired of being told what CAN NOT be done.... and sick of the inconsistency. This shard can have this ..... but no YOUR shard can't do anything....

Here you can be Governor..... wait but governor just means that you can spend 24 million out of pocket to fund your cities trade agreement and you can ask for stuff but we don't grant anything unless your special ..... Vesper can have a stable but Yew and Minoc are NOT allowed to have a Dock even if it doesn't need a Harbor Master or anything or be on the fishing system don't matter but you can't have one....

Not that it's not completely wrong for Yew to have a Shipmaster and stuff but NO Dock... and Yes I'm angry. It's like one shard can get something and another can't. And after reading the what you can and can not ask for and get I like many others found it to sound rather condescending.... and crude and not at ALL helpful in what you "can" actually ask for. Now whether you want to do something good for your City that you Love and care about and that you've lived in for your entire UO life but NO don't ask for anything... but here we'll give something to this guy because ...... what? I don't get it.

Nice concept... Lovely idea... totally thought here is something that RP Communities could really use and could benefit the communities and Shards... and then "Pffft"...... falls flat. Well the honeymoon is over so to speak and I think more and more you'll find that eventually NO ONE is going to run for Governor or do much of anything because NOTHING you could possibly ask for as Governor will EVER be granted. Anything they supposedly can do for us is nothing I can't do myself. I honestly don't need their help to run events I do them all the time. They won't lock anything down for me or do anything like spawn things for me so what is the point?

I was Mayor LONG before they made Governors and it did NOT cost me 24 million every 3 months. And I still was elected Mayor not that anyone outside the RP community ever cared one itty bitty bit... People ran for Governor mostly because they thought they would get something.... Other than the title which does NOTHING for you but lets you sit in 2 seats no one else can.

And Sadly I ran because I thought this was the way to finally improve the City I love and get the Dock and Bridge and such we have LONG been missing but much to my dismay NO this is not been the case.. Vesper has finally been granted a long needed Stable..... and great I'm happy for them... But seriously I fail to see the big picture I guess of what good all this does?

If you don't RP honestly I don't see why anyone would run. Since it's 100% obvious that RP will be the ONLY thing coming out of this because eventually we will run out of money and not be funding any trade agreement without someone outside putting money in...

I just want to know WTF is the point and WHY is there such discrepancy between one shard and another??????

Why are some shards EM's so good at doing deco and lovely things for their shard giving them unique and wonderful things yet other shards left with NOTHING. Many shards get a gate in Britain.... yet others are denied. Not fair not cool... Only serving to build some serious resentment toward the entire program if you ask me.

 

[GalenKnighthawke]

I just went inside the Governor's house in Vesper on Atlantic. ( 3 times.)

I didn't see that runebook. Perhaps it was locked down and then removed, but I'm thinking it was not locked down but rather was put there temporarily by the Governor herself for purposes of that screenshot. (Which is 100% fine with me, in case it isn't clear...It's setting up a publicity shot for the town.)

If the Council is indeed pure RP rather than "RP plus," as originally suggested, then I, for one, am fine with that. If that indeed makes me a minority among RPers then, oh well. I reserve the right to disagree, even somewhat fundamentally, with a community I am a proud member of and have fond feelings for.

I have no characters who are particularly political or I'd probably run myself. (And, as probably, would lose.)

One thing I've always liked about UO is the degree to which the important NPCs sometimes are just kinda there; even when one was just a keyword NPC (I'm thinking of Nystul just before the climax of the first Exodus scenario many years ago), he somehow felt more real than did the equivalents in, say, Star Wars Galaxies.

To me the Council is the ultimate expression of that. You're at the table with the King, with a character we've for the most part only read books authored by. Perhaps that should be plus enough?

-Galen's player

 

[MalagAste]

Lady Khaleesi,

I'm sorry to derail your thread and I'm glad you got your "Governors Office". I'm just frustrated to my wits end with the entire thing. Honestly, in my opinion the player built things and player run items and such are FAR better IMO than having a tiny office that I can't do anything with to promote my city or to promote any RP going on in or around my city nor can I showcase things that have been done or we are trying to do with a building we essentially can't really use. Sure I can sit in it... But really WHY?


Anyone who knows me knows where I live... anyone that elected me or voted for me knows where I live... they know me they know my ICQ and it's no secret who I am and what I stand for. I am just extremely frustrated with the system and the constant disappointments I mean no offense to you or your city or any other Governor...

I am fed up with inconsistencies where one shard gets things and others are constantly denied.

Despite the so called rules for the program some shards do FAR more than others and I'm frustrated, I don't mean to take it out on you or anyone in particular I just want the system to be more fair and if it's good on one shard then by gods other shards ought to get the same allowances.

 

[Uvtha]

Not about greed it's about fairness.... Tired of being told what CAN NOT be done.... and sick of the inconsistency. This shard can have this ..... but no YOUR shard can't do anything....

This is the very reason I was really disappointed that all of this is handled directly by people not by a hard coded town system of some kind.

Obviously a robust town powers system would have required expansion level development time, so I guess we should consider ourselves lucky.

 

[Jerec KTM]

I just went inside the Governor's house in Vesper on Atlantic. ( 3 times.)

I didn't see that runebook. Perhaps it was locked down and then removed, but I'm thinking it was not locked down but rather was put there temporarily by the Governor herself for purposes of that screenshot. (Which is 100% fine with me, in case it isn't clear...It's setting up a publicity shot for the town.)

-Galen's player

I did not find the runebook either... but...

In three minutes I found the following without making much effort on the special benefits Atlantic has received/receives. Two in Vesper alone.

​

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​

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And in Skara Brae...​

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This is not an attack on the players of Atlantic that have worked hard for their cities. However, it is depressing that something as simple as a request by Britain to add some more benches/tables and flowers/etc to the park by the West Brit bank was denied on Great Lakes for the one term request, and then you see stuff like this on other shards.​

 

[Yosef]

The runebook was NEVER locked down..... She put it there for the picture.

 

[GalenKnighthawke]

I did not find the runebook either... but...

In three minutes I found the following without making much effort on the special benefits Atlantic has received/receives. Two in Vesper alone.

And in Skara Brae...​

This is not an attack on the players of Atlantic that have worked hard for their cities. However, it is depressing that something as simple as a request by Britain to add some more benches/tables and flowers/etc to the park by the West Brit bank was denied on Great Lakes for the one term request, and then you see stuff like this on other shards.​

You know it's funny....Half the time we on Great Lakes use Atlantic as a positive model, the other half a negative model.

Depending, I suppose, on what suits our purposes at the moment.

It would, I suggest, be more productive if we focused on how good we have it. Events consistently, for years and years now, and entire worlds designed for those events, having persistent content between those events. I haven't taken screencaps for a long time, and even if I did I never quite mastered posting them, but there were some beautifully-done worlds we've had access to.

The reactions to the runebook when people so much as thought it was locked down suggests that perhaps it isn't all that good an idea to do so. Not to mention the fact that the reaction to the deco we have gotten hasn't been all that positive so asking for more seems rather paradoxical.

And, since we are RPers after all, it would most-productive of all if that were our primary concern.

-Galen's player

 

[SunWolf]

You people are kind of funny and think waaay to much into anything. She laid the book there for screenshot for her roleplay. This is a nice way to get some towns active though. Take a screenshot of stuff that you place and post on uhall and watch the entire game trave to there to try to complaign about something. =) forget about events and the amount of time into them, this is much easier!

 

[Jerec KTM]

You know it's funny....Half the time we on Great Lakes use Atlantic as a positive model, the other half a negative model.

Depending, I suppose, on what suits our purposes at the moment.

It would, I suggest, be more productive if we focused on how good we have it. Events consistently, for years and years now, and entire worlds designed for those events, having persistent content between those events. I haven't taken screencaps for a long time, and even if I did I never quite mastered posting them, but there were some beautifully-done worlds we've had access to.

I've never heard anyone on Great Lakes say anything bad about Atlantic's EM model, I've seen a lot of positive stuff for EM Bennu. I've been to a few of his events and they are the same quality as Great Lakes. Maybe Great Lakes had it special years ago, but the EM program on other shards like Atlantic and Baja have caught up and passed Great Lakes. As far as anything that could have been construed as 'negative' against Bennu, the shock that a lot of us had when he made his primer and then Great Lakes followed it was mostly based on disbelief. It just seemed hard to believe the governors would be forced to rp or be removed from office.

Maybe you think we have it good. I, however, don't attend EM events except for the rare occasion I am that bored. So it's easy for me to argue otherwise against saying we should be content. It doesn't strike me as wise that just you being content means we should accept and be happy with what they offer. Maybe I want something that suits my play style just as much as the current events suit yours. Is that so hard when you have two EMs?

Honestly, I could really care less about decoration. No amount of decoration is going to dislodge people from Luna bank to the towns in Vesper, Minoc, and Jhelom. What I do have a problem with is double standards. I don't think it is fair that Malag is being denied decoration when it is obviously being done on other shards. That is Malag's playstyle, and it isn't fair that on the shard she has decided to invest so many years and money into, she isn't allowed the same treatment that she would be if she had invested so much time since the beginning on Atlantic.

The reactions to the runebook when people so much as thought it was locked down suggests that perhaps it isn't all that good an idea to do so. Not to mention the fact that the reaction to the deco we have gotten hasn't been all that positive so asking for more seems rather paradoxical.

And, since we are RPers after all, it would most-productive of all if that were our primary concern.

-Galen's player

Malag apologized for overreacting, which is something we all know rarely happens on these forums. Her overreaction doesn't detract from her point and very valid source of angst. It's not good for the playerbase when you are picking winners and losers based on what shard they play on.

 

[Lady Khaleesi]

Wow.. I only wanted to say a thank you... yes I put the runebook down for the screenshot because I wanted to use this office as a welcome center. I am sorry for opening up a can of worms.. its why I don't usually post on UHall.. thank you for reminding me why I shouldn't..

 

[startle]

Wow.. I only wanted to say a thank you... yes I put the runebook down for the screenshot because I wanted to use this office as a welcome center. I am sorry for opening up a can of worms.. its why I don't usually post on UHall.. thank you for reminding me why I shouldn't..

Avoiding anything simply because someone might not be in agreement - is, in itself, something to avoid.... Thanks for the nice screen shot... Press on Lady Khaleesi, press on....

I take a great deal of satisfaction in the obvious - we still have this wonderful sandbox within which to play.... And play I shall...

 

[Viper09]

Wow.. I only wanted to say a thank you... yes I put the runebook down for the screenshot because I wanted to use this office as a welcome center. I am sorry for opening up a can of worms.. its why I don't usually post on UHall.. thank you for reminding me why I shouldn't..

Yeah...was sad to see a "thank you" thread turn into a derailed rant by other posters. Don't let that stop you from posting similar things in the future, it is still nice to see these posts among the other riff-raff.

 

[Widow Maker]

When I was ingame. I was not known as the nicest person on the block, and they were right. Things change over the years.

I am a bit.. unsettled by Malagaste path on this. There is a far better one and what I am saying is no indicator of good or bad. Simply different paths. I know Malagaste to be a good person.

It's an old game that a few folks still really love to play. It has some very dedicated and involved players. It has very dedicated and involved staff members, working very hard to keeping the servers running, helping to keep storylines running and generally doing whatever they can. Some make great places in the game's history. Thank you for being a difference, Mesanna. I may not play anymore but here is a random voice saying that you get mad respect from me.

There are only a handful who have shown themselves to be the true master and proponent of this game. Mesanna's name is in that group. DD, GrimmOmen, Draconi, Sunsword (yeah, I know), Wilki and more. It has been so many years that some names are just gone with time. Quite Noble.. all, in most aspects.

Now Malagaste...he's played long enough to maybe think.. "Hey, that is pretty cool and she is really happy".. great for her... smile and go along with whatever you were doing. It has nothing whatsoever to do with fairness, it has everything to do with greed. Even if simply attached to the thought of "hey, I should get that too", instead of "Hey, that is pretty cool and she is really happy...." It has nothing to do with fairness. It seems to be quite common these days..confusing Fairness for Greed. You have to always be looking out for greed. It hides in easier places to become harder to recognize.. even by yourself. Hypothetically... of course.

Me personally.. *Hats off and applause to both Ladies* That is very cool and it warms my heart to see you so happy. You must love playing this game.

You may now resume telling each other to piss off. Piss off.. and die.... and get res killed...

 

[Lady Khaleesi]

Thank you for your wisdom, Widowmaker. Yes, I love this game and had taken a break from it last year before this governor scenario went live. It has been a great venue to bring the game back to life for me. The community part of this game is what inspires me and was the driving factor to run for governor title the last 2 terms. It's not been an easy road; much effort and time goes into making it successful. Of course the drawbacks are there as well, especially the "favoritism" taunts.

I have not seen favoritism within our shard. Bennu and Tawaret are very fair Event Moderators. They use different cities for their events that help to enrich the governor's storylines should they choose to engage. Tawaret has brought Biggering from Britain to Vesper, Yew, and Trinsic. The White Hart and Hind have seen and engaged with many cities throughout that storyline. My point is this; many take something that is an innocent coincidence and make it something "tainted' by speaking before investigating. Many of the other governors, as well as the people that assist them, have put a lot time, gold and thought into the events, story lines and making this scenario something that can give back to the players.

I have no regrets. I have thoroughly enjoyed my two terms as Vesper's governor and when the citizens decide my time is up, I will continue to be engaged in Vesper’s community in a ‘Player Run’ town scenario. I don’t do this for a little title under my name, I do it for my enjoyment in the game and the people who play it with me.

 

[GalenKnighthawke]

I've never heard anyone on Great Lakes say anything bad about Atlantic's EM model,

I have.

I've seen a lot of positive stuff for EM Bennu. I've been to a few of his events and they are the same quality as Great Lakes

Nothing I have seen on any shard struck me as in the same league. Nothing I've heard from other shards has struck me that way either. It may well be that the Atlantic Event Moderators' stuff matches your preferences more, in which case the shard is available for migration to.

I would rather not get into specifics as I do not wish to be perceived as trashing other shards' EMs, merely promoting ours. Some things about what other shards do that is, at best, questionable, in my judgement (and they've included shards sometimes held up by our community as models) have been discussed in private. I do not seek to tear anything down.

Maybe Great Lakes had it special years ago, but the EM program on other shards like Atlantic and Baja have caught up and passed Great Lakes.

Again, this kind of assertion is difficult to combat without getting into specifics that will lead to me accenting the negative. Something which I'm reluctant to do.

I do not wish to be in competition with other shards, but merely to promote my own. This orientation puts me at a disadvantage in forums such as Stratics, but so be it. I have no need to boast of "crush"ing anyone in discussions, or really going anywhere near that.

I'd actually prefer it if other shards were more like Great Lakes. There'd be less complaints about a system that overall is highly beneficial to the game.

As far as anything that could have been construed as 'negative' against Bennu, the shock that a lot of us had when he made his primer and then Great Lakes followed it was mostly based on disbelief. It just seemed hard to believe the governors would be forced to rp or be removed from office.

It is an RP system. Whether you call it pure RP or RP plus, it's still RP. If the system were any other way we would criticize it along that vector, and we would be right to do so.

Maybe you think we have it good. I, however, don't attend EM events except for the rare occasion I am that bored.

You have, in fairness, never liked our shard's events all that much. I do not remember your participation being all that consistent.

There are many options if other models suit you more.

I, for one, prefer the event-centric model of Event Moderating.

The fact that there are a ridiculous number of people at Great Lakes' events, to the point that it causes frustrating amounts of lag which cause many needless deaths in whatever character I happen to have taken tot he event, suggests to me that the population of Great Lakes as a general rule also prefers that model. The fact that I see most of those people at other times on Great Lakes to me suggests that this primarily is a Great Lakes native population we're talking about rather than a transitory, rares-seeking population.

-Galen's player

 

[Jerec KTM]

Thank you for your wisdom, Widowmaker. Yes, I love this game and had taken a break from it last year before this governor scenario went live. It has been a great venue to bring the game back to life for me. The community part of this game is what inspires me and was the driving factor to run for governor title the last 2 terms. It's not been an easy road; much effort and time goes into making it successful. Of course the drawbacks are there as well, especially the "favoritism" taunts.

I have not seen favoritism within our shard. Bennu and Tawaret are very fair Event Moderators. They use different cities for their events that help to enrich the governor's storylines should they choose to engage. Tawaret has brought Biggering from Britain to Vesper, Yew, and Trinsic. The White Hart and Hind have seen and engaged with many cities throughout that storyline. My point is this; many take something that is an innocent coincidence and make it something "tainted' by speaking before investigating. Many of the other governors, as well as the people that assist them, have put a lot time, gold and thought into the events, story lines and making this scenario something that can give back to the players.

I have no regrets. I have thoroughly enjoyed my two terms as Vesper's governor and when the citizens decide my time is up, I will continue to be engaged in Vesper’s community in a ‘Player Run’ town scenario. I don’t do this for a little title under my name, I do it for my enjoyment in the game and the people who play it with me.

I am sorry your thread has gotten hijacked, but unfortunately the governor system is going to cause most such conversations to spill this way. If you look, almost all of the recent threads involving governors has devolved in some sort of way. It sucks, but that is the reality. There is a lot of pent up angst on a lot of the shards over what they see as favoritism.

As for anyone calling Malag greedy, well if you can't understand simply how unfair it is that Malag makes the same request that other shards do and gets told no, then there is something wrong. Is her $12.99 x whatever amount of accounts worth less? Why doesn't Malag get a book at the town stone to use as a campaign prop during the elections like the governors on Atlantic? Is that some 10 hour time sink we don't know about? It's just bad business to tell her there is a ruleset and it applies to all shards, but clearly some shards don't follow it.

 

[Jerec KTM]

I'd actually prefer it if other shards were more like Great Lakes. There'd be less complaints about a system that overall is highly beneficial to the game.

-Galen's player

I know you are using the above quote to reference their events, but I think you're giving the EMs on Great Lakes a little too much leeway about whether they generate complaints. It is not like they are flawless in their behavior. Their attempted trashing of Matthias O'Hare for resigning as governor is clown car level. Quite frankly, that is scary to see. If the governors hadn't turned against the EMs when they started to do this, I don't know how bad it would have gotten.

 

[Widow Maker]

I am sorry your thread has gotten hijacked, but unfortunately the governor system is going to cause most such conversations to spill this way. If you look, almost all of the recent threads involving governors has devolved in some sort of way. It sucks, but that is the reality. There is a lot of pent up angst on a lot of the shards over what they see as favoritism.

As for anyone calling Malag greedy, well if you can't understand simply how unfair it is that Malag makes the same request that other shards do and gets told no, then there is something wrong. Is her $12.99 x whatever amount of accounts worth less? Why doesn't Malag get a book at the town stone to use as a campaign prop during the elections like the governor's on Atlantic? Is that some 10 hour time sink we don't know about? It's just bad business to tell her there is a ruleset and it applies to all shards, but clearly some shards don't follow it.

Let there be no mistake, I was in no way calling Mal greedy. I and many others know he is not that, at all. The statement I gave was in reference to the fact that people of the best kinds fall prey to greed and it's influences because they fail to recognize it at some points. This was just one of those for Mal. It was not his intention, I do truly believe. There is nothing wrong with being told no, yet another item that people have gotten out of the habit of understanding.

Anywho.. I will retreat back into nothingness. Just stepped up to shine a light on reality for a moment. Sorry for interrupting.

 

[whiterabbit]

CANTS WEES JUST ALL GET ALONG??

 

[Jerec KTM]

Let there be no mistake, I was in no way calling Mal greedy. I and many others know he is not that, at all. The statement I gave was in reference to the fact that people of the best kinds fall prey to greed and it's influences because they fail to recognize it at some points. This was just one of those for Mal. It was not his intention, I do truly believe. There is nothing wrong with being told no, yet another item that people have gotten out of the habit of understanding.

Anywho.. I will retreat back into nothingness. Just stepped up to shine a light on reality for a moment. Sorry for interrupting.

*sigh*

What I am saying is evidently not being communicated. There is nothing greedy about Malag being upset about Atlantic, at all, none, what-so-ever. This isn't her falling prey to it's influences and failing to recognize it. Maybe it's just the businessman in me reacting about this.

I love telling people no. I think people need to hear no more often. This is not that situation. Malag pays for an entertainment service just like you and me. There is nothing that makes either us more special than the other to EA, they see the same dollar signs. Part of the business is they provide the same service to all of their clients paying that amount. This means if Malag wants a book locked down at the city stone as has been done on another shard, she should get it if there is available staff. Staff hiring snags can be expected in that some shards don't have full EM staffs, but Great Lakes has a full staff. She should not be told by her EM that this is strictly forbidden when she can log on Atlantic or simply see a pic in this thread that this is simply not true.

The thing maybe causing her meaning to get lost is people think Malag was attacking Khaleesi (and I in turn for defending Malag) as seeking this favoritism. That is not the case. Khaleesi is doing a great job on Atlantic and has been very friendly to my Atlantic character when we bumped into each other at the bank one morning. Atlantic has an awesome EM in Bennu, lets just be honest and make that clear. Bennu is VERY involved with the community and is doing a lot to make their gaming experience better. Bennu being proactive in doing things to help the governors does not in any way mean Khaleesi sought this out and twisted rules and benefited from favoritism. It just means that it would be nice if they did this for Malag on Great Lakes.

I'm not going to comment on it any further, when I originally saw this thread I figured it would be locked soon and I just wanted there to be pics for people to reference so they don't think Malag is totally batcrap insane. Instead it has somehow remained open.

 

[AppleJax]

If you look, almost all of the recent threads involving governors has devolved in some sort of way. It sucks, but that is the reality.

I have looked and those threads devolved because of the same people each time. Just as this one is.

Why doesn't Malag get a book at the town stone to use as a campaign prop during the elections like the governor's on Atlantic?

Wait, wait, are you saying that on some shards the incumbents get a campaign tool that their challengers do not?

 

[Yosef]

Who said that these books are a campaign tool? Last time i checked they read, the contact information of the current Governors. I do no see anywhere saying Vote _____.

 

[Lord Lew]

Malaga. I apologize if you took offense to the word greedy, that was not directed towards you. I do not personally know you, so it was not my intent to attack you personally, it was in fact a generalization of the process thus far,

The books you see locked down were from the first term, before we had the bulletin boards. They were requested by a few if us, me personally after the books I began to lay down to generate interest in the new town system were being collected by a griefer. On Atlantic, Trinsic was a virtual ghost town, and this was my only solution to get that info to players who might have an interest. It worked well, and a growing community is returning to the city that holds my heart. I make no apologies for the books, they were a tool. We have boards now, so the books are a trivial argument, even more so seeing that they are the basis for the boards existing at all!

I do not know the solution for the problems on other shards, I hardly know them for Atlantic, and there are many. What I do know, without doubt, is that threads that spiral out if control like this are noticed. They do not help, they only hinder the process, and in the end cripple and destroy.

Negative energy is not what is needed if this town system is to survive.

 

[GalenKnighthawke]

I know you are using the above quote to reference their events, but I think you're giving the EMs on Great Lakes a little too much leeway about whether they generate complaints. It is not like they are flawless in their behavior. Their attempted trashing of Matthias O'Hare for resigning as governor is clown car level. Quite frankly, that is scary to see. If the governors hadn't turned against the EMs when they started to do this, I don't know how bad it would have gotten.

If you look at the transcript of the meeting posted by DaKaren's player, you'll see that they stated they had misinterpreted some E-Mails, and that the conversation does not appear as you had characterized it. I didn't take it that way witnessing it first-hand. I also always thought that character had some shady connections -- while I forget why I thought that, seems they had that impression too.

Most of the complaints about GL's EMs that I'm aware of have some either from griefers (whose comments can be discounted, because they are designed to cause trouble and are not legitimate criticisms) and, sadly, from us (meaning from the RP community members).

I suppose it could be that the non-RPers who routinely show up to the events and RP along with the storyline privately are seething angry at one thing or another. But it is not my impression and it is quite unlikely.

My own criticisms I usually keep to myself because they relate to my own personal preferences. I will not like every event, or every decision. But I recognize my own preferences for what they are and see no reason to jump onto the boards seeking to be confrontational in an attempt to enforce my own preferences. Rather, if another EM's or EM team's preferences consistently seem more to my liking I will jump shard at least with some characters. That hasn't happened and I doubt it will.

-Galen's player

 

[GalenKnighthawke]

I know you are using the above quote to reference their events, but I think you're giving the EMs on Great Lakes a little too much leeway about whether they generate complaints. It is not like they are flawless in their behavior. Their attempted trashing of Matthias O'Hare for resigning as governor is clown car level. Quite frankly, that is scary to see. If the governors hadn't turned against the EMs when they started to do this, I don't know how bad it would have gotten.

Also see this, posted about 3 hours or so after you posted:

http://stratics.com/community/threads/roleplay-and-journeys.307913/

-Galen's player

 

[Lord Nabin]

*Looks up from the Tavern table, Swats a pesky fly, and then gets up and moves to sit by the fire.*

*Sips on his Glass of Good Old Moonglow Red and settles in for a relaxing deep thinking session on why anyone would care about a runebook locked down on a desk or any of the other arguments in the Tavern at the moment*

 

[Captn Norrington]

Hi everyone, just wanted to tell the people who are not from atlantic that all of atlantic is not one giant ball of GM favrotism lol, please stop generalizing about our shard, for example I am the current governor of Yew, Sunwolf who posted above was the first term governor, the first month of sunwolfs term he asked the king for a little fishing dock, didn't need to be big, just 5x5 or something, here we are 6 months later and not a single thing has been done for that dock even though it is technically approved. living on atlantic, is not like being born to billionaire parents in real life, we do not have "em item vending machines" as I saw someone post on a thread earlier, it is a shard, just like GL, and chessy, and all the others are shards, currently, half of the atlantic cities (not yew) have books with the governors contact info locked down. it is a very good idea, if you explain to your shards EM, or king that it would benefit the shard to have one, WITHOUT saying we want them because atlantic has them, they would probably be more likely to give them to you. just my 2 cents, if I offended anyone I apologize, it was not my intent.

 

[Dot_Warner]

Books at the town stones are a great idea, they are far more expansive then the tweet-like sound bites you can put on the bulletin boards. They are also far more likely to be read than the boards, which seem to see very little traffic.

Who said that these books are a campaign tool? Last time i checked they read, the contact information of the current Governors. I do no see anywhere saying Vote _____.

Back in September I personally saw books locked down at several town stones on Atlantic. It wasn't contact info, it was a "Here's why you should vote for X" book. Now most of those are contact info. There isn't a problem with books at the stones used for campaigning, as long as each candidate has the opportunity to contribute. (Could use the first nomination week to turn in say 500 words or less, have the deadline be the Friday before voting starts.)

But to clarify things, people on GL have asked for locked down books in the past, well before this, and were told it was forbidden. The issue isn't necessarily one of favoritism, but one of equal application of "The Rules." If one shard gets things/attention that another shard is being denied or told isn't possible, something is wrong. You can't have one rule for some shards and not for others.

Also, trying to say that people are being greedy when it comes to governor requests is silly. These things belong to the city, not the governors. The governors don't get anything out of the system (no items), just a title and the ability to sit in two chairs that others can't.

There are many ways that the governor system could be expanded and improved that would allow governors to reach their citizens more effectively, provide additional RP opportunities and even potentially attract those who currently have no interest in it.

 

[Lord Lew]

Books at the town stones are a great idea, they are far more expansive then the tweet-like sound bites you can put on the bulletin boards. They are also far more likely to be read than the boards, which seem to see very little traffic.



Back in September I personally saw books locked down at several town stones on Atlantic. It wasn't contact info, it was a "Here's why you should vote for X" book. Now most of those are contact info. There isn't a problem with books at the stones used for campaigning, as long as each candidate has the opportunity to contribute. (Could use the first nomination week to turn in say 500 words or less, have the deadline be the Friday before voting starts.)

But to clarify things, people on GL have asked for locked down books in the past, well before this, and were told it was forbidden. The issue isn't necessarily one of favoritism, but one of equal application of "The Rules." If one shard gets things/attention that another shard is being denied or told isn't possible, something is wrong. You can't have one rule for some shards and not for others.

Also, trying to say that people are being greedy when it comes to governor requests is silly. These things belong to the city, not the governors. The governors don't get anything out of the system (no items), just a title and the ability to sit in two chairs that others can't.

There are many ways that the governor system could be expanded and improved that would allow governors to reach their citizens more effectively, provide additional RP opportunities and even potentially attract those who currently have no interest in it.

There was never a book locked down at any city with that text in it. There may have been books on the ground, but I can assure you there were no books locked down by our EM that had political adverts in them!

 

[Yosef]

Don't Worry Guys The Books Are All Gone From All The Banks On Atlantic. You can now stop crying.

 

[NuSair]

It's not about crying. It's about being equal (as much as possible) and affording everyone the same opportunities in this game we all pay to play (unless you have a free media account or your account is free for whatever other reason).

There are things that I am not sure that I can say, but I will say this...

EMs are contracted to work 20 hours A MONTH. Anything extra they put in beyond that, they don't get paid for (in general).
Very few people realize just how much time, effort and love Mesanna puts into UO. I am talking from the time waking up until she goes to bed.
While EMs are given a lot of latitude, at the same time, they are rather restricted.

All that being said... if one person/town/whatever on a shard is given something or has something done for them, then they option should be available to everyone in that same situation. Not just based off the whim of that person in the moment.

 

[Lady Khaleesi]

It's not about crying. It's about being equal (as much as possible) and affording everyone the same opportunities in this game we all pay to play (unless you have a free media account or your account is free for whatever other reason).

There are things that I am not sure that I can say, but I will say this...

EMs are contracted to work 20 hours A MONTH. Anything extra they put in beyond that, they don't get paid for (in general).
Very few people realize just how much time, effort and love Mesanna puts into UO. I am talking from the time waking up until she goes to bed.
While EMs are given a lot of latitude, at the same time, they are rather restricted.

All that being said... if one person/town/whatever on a shard is given something or has something done for them, then they option should be available to everyone in that same situation. Not just based off

I just wish to clarify this and I ask that this thread be locked as it's like beating a dead horse now. A lot of work goes into the being the governor if it's to be successful and it's all done as a volunteer for a game we pay for. I have put in countless hours to make Vesper a community; a place people want to be a part of. Yes, we piggy back on the arcs of our EM's who are creative and fun to interact with, its all spontaneous, no script, no planning. I.E the day of Taweret's Biggering event in Trinsic. I had posted a story about the White Heart with no alert from the anyone, inspired by former events that had happened. It lined up with it completely by coincidence. As the day unfolded, Lew was able to take the baton and run with it in another direction. That is how Atlantic rolls. The EM's empower us with creativity. The books, now removed were a tool used before bulletin boards and a springboard for a new development in the game. I am proud of what the governors have done not only on Atlantic but the many I have encountered as I have traveled to other shards. Yes, Politics breed controversy and thankfully, we can hopefully deflect it with diplomacy and compromise. I ask that you all try to use the golden rule, "Treat others as you wish to be treated". That is how I personally try to live in my real life and my game life.

 

[startle]

The Golden Rule.... If only everyone would......................