I've been pondering the question: Should I turn my tamer into a gargoyle? I have seen gargoyles flying around as if mounted with what appears to be a greater dragon in tow.
Don't know all the pros and cons but i would imagine
I still can't understand people using Greater Dragons and Cu Sidhe for everything anyways. Really of those aren't that good except for certain things. Personally I'd like to see the Greater at least removed form the game, it just promotes laziness in tamers... Fire and forget pets need a strong down side.
Being a tamer myself.. I agree with this post.
pretty sure the tamers them selves will shoot this idea down!
Take up hiding and stealth, you will almost never die from spawn.
It's one tamer asking. Don't assume everyone who has a tamer and uses a GD agrees with the OP. It's fine with me that your human or elf character ends up on foot while using a GD. Would also be fine with me if gargoyles got the same treatment. I'm undecided about ninjitsu animal forms that give you mounted character speed because of the skill point investment and not being able to cast spells while in animal form. Don't have any tamers with ninjitsu to really say from experience whether the "penalties" offset the "benefits."
I think tamers should get everything they need, they should just be banned from PvP. Players should not be able to sick their pets on anyone else.
You're immortal....why should you care?
Ya, dexxers are overpowered, archers are overpowered, mystics are overpowered, tamers are overpowered, ninjas are overpowered. Let's just ban every template except for naked mages from pvp. After all, we all know that the only "real" pvp is naked mage dueling.
I was just about to write something similar! With all the nerf requests out there you are left with basically 3 templates to play, macer,fencer,swordsman and maybe mage (but have seen posts wanting those nerfed)
But isnt it kinda the "player's fault" for playing a traditional tamer in PvP? It's like me whining about how my Peace Disco Bard Mage being very weak in PvP (I am complaining about im a mage?). There's a difference between PvP and PvM, use you bard tamer in PvP arent do you any good if your enemy is a tamer archer.
And actually I didn't touch on the biggest inverse nerf on pets, and that has to do with movement speed. Most characters move at the maximum speed the client will allow now, which didn't used to be the case. Computers are more powerful and connections are more stable and faster, but pets still move at the same speed they always have, which is dead slow. Even the fastest pets move extremely slowly.
Look I didn't say anything else was overpowered, I could careless about what temp you are on we've fought before and you suck bad. I have a problem with tamers because I agreed to go to fel to PvP, not PvM. I don't want to fight someone's dragon because they are too lazy to learn the other 1000 overpowered templates and the game so they can put a good suit together. I'm sorry I think tamers are a bunch of lazy overpowered morons that don't want to do anything except yell all kill.
I'm not complaining about my template being weak, what I am objecting to is the old anti-tamer prejudice rearing it's ugly head yet again. Now maybe I'm reading into the post that I was responding to, but I see very few complaints about the hybrid tamer templates. Most pvp'rs seem to have no problems with them, because they are part of the "in" crowd and are accepted.
This is an Awesome Idea!!!!! They really should only be 2 slot pets, cause tamers should be able to have 2 for the really tough spawn/peerless and still be able to ride. And there should be barding availbe for all pets. And magic collars. I mean, if I can take a ring for a human hand, and convert it to a gargoyle ring, then I should also be able to make a collar for my GD out of it as well.
And what you have no concept of is how challenging it actually is to play a tamer in pvp, especially a tamer whose primary form of dealing damage is their pets. The other thing that you and others don't seem to grasp is that a pet is a piece of equipment. It does absolutely nothing except die without a tamer to control it.
Exactly why I play my tamer the most! I play to relax.
Something tells me that based on what you have posted you haven't done much serious pvp'ing as a tamer. There are plenty of players out there with fully trained tamers that don't really know much about playing a tamer, let alone a tamer in pvp. And there are plenty of players that pvp with pets that also don't really know much about being a tamer...
I properly match my pets to what I'm fighting, that way I only have to vet a little, no worries about moving....besides if you stand directly under your pet (I stealth to that position) everything will attack the pet first, not you, just stand there and use a bandage... I even have a UO Assist macro for it so I can just hit one button.
Super Dragon should indeed be 2-slot pet, so you can have two for new "Dragon" pack instinct. Introduce a new 1 slot ridable pet about as strong as a dread warhorse but helps you bump the pack instinct up one more level.
Something tells you that? That's what my whole response was about. If I don't believe in something (aka I don't think PvM belongs in PvP) then why on earth would I play the template? Did I say I'm a hypocrite? Of course I wouldn't play a "PvP" tamer, it's ********.
I play my tamer mage in PvP, and my dread/bake out damages than I could with magery spells. What you are asking for is you want to be able to play your tamer in PvP like you could in PvM. All kill and cross heal... so people die and you are happy. Well again, my pets do most of the damage and I pvp very well, I dont see your problems other than your ideal of wanting to be able to "all kill and forget" and you would like a kill with that PvP (?) strategy.
When people stop attacking my tamer in fel then I will stop using my pet to attack back.
The easy solution here is to not allow tamers in fel.
As I said, you have no clue what you are talking about. And I find it rather interesting that in the same thread you call pvp tamers "a bunch of lazy overpowered morons" (note the use of the word "overpowered") you say you "never die to simply a tamer". So you think a template that you know nothing about playing in pvp, that can never kill you one on one, is "overpowered"?
I guess you missed that part in one of my posts. That's ok, we all miss things, some of us more than others. And of course you are right. If you play a pvp tamer in "all kill and forget" mode you are going to die, over and over again, and I certainly have never asked for that capability. In fact I don't believe I have asked for anything in this thread.
How about they not let you in fel? no... well then dont tell me I cant play there k. thanx
Kinda like how John Holmes got hurt because of his huge ****
Better solution. Don't let greater dragons be tame-able and those tamed ones that exist should be reduced to a regular dragon.
Unbelievable.
My Sampire?
And I'll let you in on another secret that the most experienced tamers are well aware of. Pets are situational, just like weapons are. Specific pets and pet combinations are more or less useful depending on the context, and there is almost always a better choice than a greater dragon.
You make it sound much easier and simpler than it is. After all, what good does the pet do if the tamer ends up dieing? The tamer may control a powerful creature but the creature is only one pet, it can't exactly stop every monster and area attacks from hurting and killing the tamer.
These days with imbuing and the new artifacts sampires are easy to build. And yes, if you are in low to upper mid level pvm situations you can "stand off an heal", but you had better know what you are doing if you want to take any pet including a greater dragon, into a high end pvm or a pvp context.
I'll let you in on a little secret. I play a tamer mage. My main character is a tamer first, a character that relies on pets for primary offensive capabilities. I think the number of macros and keybinds that a player regularly uses in playing a character in combat is probably a pretty good indication of how complex that character is to play.
