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Tamer Template and Resists

SouthPaw

Lore Master
Thinking of a tamer template that has discord and necro with the idea of using discord and corpse skin while using a 100% fire or poison damage pet, likely a fire beetle (RC+AP+Poison) or fire/poison crimson drake(AP+Chiv).

-Fire beetle can get RC for -50% all resist de-buff that lasts 5 seconds..
-Discord is -28 all resists, -14 for tough bosses.
-Corpse skin is -15 fire/poison resist.

Also the tamer can use the discord mastery spells set to fire/poison damage to aid the pets damage.

Has anyone here tried this? Seems like you could bring a lot of mobs to their knees by debuffing the heck out of their fire/poison resist.

In general do you think mobs over all have lower fire or poison resist? If I try it, most likely I'll get a fire beetle and a poison crimson drake.
 
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Keven2002

Babbling Loonie
Stratics Veteran
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Thinking of a tamer template that has discord and necro with the idea of using discord and corpse skin while using a 100% fire or poison damage pet, likely a fire beetle (RC+AP+Poison) or fire/poison crimson drake(AP+Chiv).

Fire beetle can get RC for 50% resist de-buff for 5 seconds at a time. Discord is -28 all resists and corpse skin is -15 fire/poison resist. Also the tamer can use the discord mastery spells set to fire/poison damage to aid the pets damage.

Has anyone here tried this? Seems like you could bring a lot of mobs to their knees by debuffing the heck out of their fire/poison resist.

In general do you think mobs over all have lower fire or poison resist? If I try it, most likely I'll get a fire beetle and a poison crimson drake.
This sounds pretty powerful but my first thought is how would you fit all the skills on a single character? Assuming you are thinking 120 music / disco / taming / lore / 100 (or 120) magery which is 580-600 points right off the bat. That leaves 100-120 points for any combo of necro/ss/eval/weaving/tactics. I know you could do 60/60 necro/ss but I'm not sure if that will give the max debuff with corpseskin? (maybe it will). I'm not sure how your tamer (outside of pet) would actually do damage; if you aren't actually doing damage to a mob you aren't able to take advantage of wraith form which is what I'm assuming you would look to do (assuming you need to keep your mana pool up for a mastery song) since you won't have med/focus to your mana regen.

I think that it might be possible using skill jewels and sub legendary/GM skill but all of that thinking is typically too much for my old school brain to handle (all skills should be GM at least!! :p ). If you could figure out how to fit all your skills on the character and keep your mana pool supplied I think it sounds pretty good!
 

SouthPaw

Lore Master
120 Taming
120 Animal lore
120 music
120 discord
~110 Spirit speak, 120 with gear
~70 magery, 106 with gear
~60 necro ,100+ with gear

Can use discord mastery spells set to fire or poison damage (whichever is lower resist on mob), fight in wraith form for mana regen. With all the debuffs the pet would be doing most of the damage.
 
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Chrille

Sage
Professional
Stratics Veteran
Stratics Legend
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Glorious Lord
You only need 60 necro to be able to cast corpse skin and go into wraith form 100% of the time. Need gm if you want to cast wither at 100%. But thats the opposite damage type. But still very useful to clear tons of monsters swamping your pet.
 

SouthPaw

Lore Master
You only need 60 necro to be able to cast corpse skin and go into wraith form 100% of the time. Need gm if you want to cast wither at 100%. But thats the opposite damage type. But still very useful to clear tons of monsters swamping your pet.
You bring up a good point. I love wither-great for spawns. I guess I'd like the option to use it if I want. I already have several pieces of gear that have +necro and +SS on it.

I have a tamer already that has a template very similar to what I posted above. All I'd have to do is stone spellweaving/meditation and pick up Necro/SS-those both raise easy, plus I don't have to raise them very high. I might need a 120 SS power scroll though. If the template doesn't work out, well then I can just stone spellweaving/meditation back on.

On paper this look like an awesome template to me. Someone who posts here has likely tried this before.
 
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SouthPaw

Lore Master
Anyone know if rune corruption has a timer to use again so the pet can't spam it? If so what is the downtime on it?
 

SouthPaw

Lore Master
So I did it. Stoned Spellweaving/meditation, got gm ss and 75 necro real skill. Took my AI/RC/Poison fire beetle out of the stable. First I went to a goat that had 0 fire resist just to test things out. Hit it with discord and corpse skin and then it had -43 fire resist. I'm not sure exactly what happens (damage calcs) when a mob has negative resist, but it can't be good for them. Then I went to sphyxes because they have a lot of HP and nothing around them to bother me while testing things out. I have never killed a sphyx so fast as I did tonight. On most fights the sphynx was dead before I could use animal lore on it to check its resists after the 7 second cool down timer from using discord at the start of the fight. Keep in mind I wasn't using any of the discord masteries or damaging it myself in any way, all I did was tell pet to attack and simultaneously hit it with discord and corpse skin. The 2 times that I did manage to lore it 1 second before it died, it had -9 and -5 fire resist. So then I thought I'd have some fun and went to Arctic Ogre Lords. These guys typically start with around -5 fire resist without me doing anything to them. Beetle was doing ~210 every hit. I was unable to use animal lore on any of them to check the resist after using discord/corpse because they died too fast; so I pulled one without pet attacking, with just discord and corpse skin it had -46 fire resist. Need further testing. Maybe I'll try a greater dragon next.

I just took a cu with AI/Chiv to sphyxes, I only put discord on the mob. Cu's damage is also impressive with discord when EoO goes off, problem is EoO isn't consistent. I'd like to get a poison crimson drake with AP/Chiv and see how that works out. Need to do more tests on a stronger mob, maybe navry tomorrow.
 
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Gardo

Journeyman
This looked like a fun idea, so I put together this template. Lately I’ve been soloing a lot, so I wanted vet on there for rezzing. Haven’t had had a chance to test it yet but it definitely won’t be an ideal template with the heavy reliance of items. For specific content it might work and be a lot of fun. So many things to try out in the taming profession.

116 taming (90 real)
113 lore (87 real) —-> 99% control
80 vet (54 real) —-> rez capable
120 music (110 real)
120 disco
100 magery (74 real) —-> 100% casting lvl6
100 Necro (85 real) —-> 100% wither (no synergy with template. Perhaps just enough for corpse skin and additional points to vet....)
120 SS (100 real)

Anyway, I’ll try it out at some point.... maybe it’ll work..... maybe it won’t....
 
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Khaelor

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Stratics Veteran
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I like where you are trying to go with this. I just think this template kind of works against itself in several areas due to pet selection and template choices. You are losing damage using pets with AI if you go to below 10 resist.

If you are going for raw dps, there are other combos out there that achieve better performance. If you are looking for something fun and new, enjoying yourself is what matters. But I think you can definately improve on what you are trying to do here depending on the resists of your target mobs.

We go a different route though.
 

SouthPaw

Lore Master
I like where you are trying to go with this. I just think this template kind of works against itself in several areas due to pet selection and template choices. You are losing damage using pets with AI if you go to below 10 resist.

If you are going for raw dps, there are other combos out there that achieve better performance. If you are looking for something fun and new, enjoying yourself is what matters. But I think you can definately improve on what you are trying to do here depending on the resists of your target mobs.

We go a different route though.
Right, I'm having fun trying to max dps. The fire beetle I had was already trained with AI, I think AP would be better for what I'm doing. I would like to try this template with a poison crimson drake trained with AP/Chiv too.

I have some questions for you guys about RC and Inferno.
RC 50% resist debuff for 5 seconds. Is there a recharge timer on it so pet can't spam it? If so how long is the recharge?
Inferno does 25% fire debuff plus a small amount of damage and lasts 6 seconds. Does it have a recharge timer?
Trying to figure out if inferno could ever be better than RC given that it lasts 1 second longer and does damage on proc. Any thoughts on that?

My other thoughts are centered around having to take necro and SS, primarily just to use corpskin for an addition 15 debuff, although shade form is nice for mana regen too. I'm not sure how to compare that with the damage output I could have from using Spellweaving WoD instead, not to mention other benefits like self/pet rez. An AI/Chiv pet with me using discord can do very nice damage and when mob gets down to ~30% I can do major WoD damage.
 
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Specialist

Seasoned Veteran
Stratics Veteran
Right, I'm having fun trying to max dps. The fire beetle I had was already trained with AI, I think AP would be better for what I'm doing. I would like to try this template with a poison crimson drake trained with AP/Chiv too.

I have some questions for you guys about RC and Inferno.
RC 50% resist debuff for 5 seconds. Is there a recharge timer on it so pet can't spam it? If so how long is the recharge?
Inferno does 25% fire debuff plus a small amount of damage and lasts 6 seconds. Does it have a recharge timer?
Trying to figure out if inferno could ever be better than RC given that it lasts 1 second longer and does damage on proc. Any thoughts on that?

My other thoughts are centered around having to take necro and SS, primarily just to use corpskin for an addition 15 debuff, although shade form is nice for mana regen too. I'm not sure how to compare that with the damage output I could have from using Spellweaving WoD instead, not to mention other benefits like self/pet rez. An AI/Chiv pet with me using discord can do very nice damage and when mob gets down to ~30% I can do major WoD damage.
I would recommend tring different setups on test center so u don't commit to a template, skill it up then find its not what ur looking for
 

kaio

Lore Master
Stratics Veteran
Stratics Legend
for every day hunting i dont think you will benefit much from necro/ss unless you go for bosses of some sort.
my disco-tamer with a cold drake with AI/chiv kills maisma in seconds, i have a hard time looting the corpses and opening the chests..
I didn't scroll my drake in any skills at all.
 

SouthPaw

Lore Master
for every day hunting i dont think you will benefit much from necro/ss unless you go for bosses of some sort.
Wither with wraith form is one of the best moves in the game for champ spawns. Especially the first 2 levels.
 

kaio

Lore Master
Stratics Veteran
Stratics Legend
Wither with wraith form is one of the best moves in the game for champ spawns. Especially the first 2 levels.
no doubt that wither is great, but a sampire really out performs any necro-tamer any day at any spawn. also add the the tamer would be on foot, making him more vulnable to ganks than a mounted char. I would go as far as claiming that a macer-tamer would outperform a necro-tamer. Black staffs are simply too good a weapon.
 
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