Tailor BoD Changes

[Cullyn]

From the Lbods I have submitted and from reading the stickies above it seems that the rewards have been randomised to an extent. The chances of getting powerscrolls from lbods that previously gave a horned kit seems very high.
I mean seriously who wants to waste the lbod, the resources and the time to get a useless PS?

Has there been any official word on this?

 

[Basara]

Actually, the "bonus" to the reward table isn't a set amount. While Horned kits can get bumped to an unwanted PS, they can be bumped to a BARBED kit instead.

Similarly, Smith rewards can be bumped 1, 2 or 3 steps.

 

[Cullyn]

So this was a purposeful change and not a bug?
Well that is taking OSI spin to a new level.

To me bonus implies you'd be getting something extra or better.
I'd hardly consider getting a power scroll a bonus over a runic kit.

My own experience recently (albiet a very small sample) is 4 scrolls, 1 HRK, 0 BRK (from lbods that used to give hrk). Other posters on the threads have 9 scrolls from 11 bods. The chances seem heavily weighted towards getting scrolls. And let's face it they are next to useless now.

I don't know about other tailors but I'd be much happy with consistent rewards from lbods. If I wanted a scroll I'd fill a bod that gave one as a reward. I do not want to expend the effort of getting all the sbods, resources and crafting time to fill an lbod that used to consistently give a runic as a reward and end up with a pack full of useless white scrolls.

 

[Basara]

That's the broken RNG at work, or you're consulting a pre-pub-19 table.

The bump is supposed to be about 20% of the time.

The bonus is POINTS on the system. Unfortunately, the 120 PS lies between Horned & barbed kits on the point chart.

Think about the poor smiths that can get bumped to an ASH +60....

 

[Patty Pickaxe]

That's the broken RNG at work, or you're consulting a pre-pub-19 table.

The bump is supposed to be about 20% of the time.

The bonus is POINTS on the system. Unfortunately, the 120 PS lies between Horned & barbed kits on the point chart.

Think about the poor smiths that can get bumped to an ASH +60....

Yea, let's not even talk about that! I saw that ppl got val hammers from 15 ex gold plate lbods. I filled 4 of them and got........ 4 +60 ASH.

 

[Cullyn]

That's the broken RNG at work, or you're consulting a pre-pub-19 table.

The bump is supposed to be about 20% of the time.

The bonus is POINTS on the system. Unfortunately, the 120 PS lies between Horned & barbed kits on the point chart.

Think about the poor smiths that can get bumped to an ASH +60....

I think the tables I am looking at are reasonably current, eg the Stratics calculator and/or ToR. If there is a better source please tell me

I have had a look at the EA points table as well. It staggers me that PS are valued so high. Four or five years back maybe but now ....

 

[Patty Pickaxe]

Tower of Roses is definitely NOT current. It has not been updated since 2005 (according to the website). I'm not sure if the most current point tables have been updated yet with these changes.

 

[Basara]

by that definition NOTHING is current.

TOR's 2005 numbers were the correct numbers, until this random bonus messed things up. They should still be a guildline for the gold gained, and the minimum possible reward for a BOD. Whether you get better or not is a crapshoot.

 

[Patty Pickaxe]

Will someone be analyzing the Bod data and create a chart similar to ToR? Or, record the reward results is a way that does not require a calculator?

*It can't be me bc I am NOT a data analysis type of gal. Data like that makes me eyes cross.

 

[Basara]

That's what is going on right now, in the stickies - the TOR folks and others are gathering in the data.

It APPEARS so far that the idea of static tables as more than rough guides might be obselete, if the bonuses we are seeing turn out to be random between 50, 100 and 150 point bumps.

Let me go get the point charts and let me illustrate in a reply.

 

[Basara]

The following is the tailor BOD point progression, without the current random bonus points...

Less than 50 / Cloth Group 1 100%
50 to 99 / Cloth Group 2 100%
100 to 149 / Cloth Group 3 100%
150 to 199 / Cloth Group 4 90% Colored Sandals 10%
200 to 299 / Cloth Group 5 80% Colored Sandals 20%
300 to 349 / Stretched Hide 100%
350 to 399 / Spined Runic Sewing Kit 100%
400 to 449 / Tailoring Power Scroll +5 40% Tapestry Deed 60%
450 to 499 / Bear Rug 100%
500 to 549 / Tailoring Power Scroll +10 100%
550 to 574 / Clothing Bless Deed 100%
575 to 599 / Tailoring Power Scroll +15 100%
600 to 649 / Horned Runic Sewing Kit 100%
650 to 699 / Tailoring Power Scroll +20 100%
700+ / Barbed Runic Sewing Kit 100%

As you can see, a bonus of 50 can turn a CBD or PS 115 LBOD into a horned kit, a PS 120 scroll into a Barbed kit, or (maybe*) a PS 110 into a CBD. BUT, by the same token, it will probably turn a Horned kit into a 120 PS.

As we have seen evidence of bonuses turning Horned kit BODs into either 120 PS OR Barbed Kits, we can only assume that sometimes the bonus is around 50 points, other times it is around 100 points.

We do not know yet if the bonus is totally random, tied to the character somehow (skill, age, etc.), or what. We also don't know at what level bonuses actually start being applied (hence the * for MAYBE a PS 110 getting boosted - not seen anyone do those enough), though tests so far would seem to indicate that a BOD has to have a minimum point value above a certain point to have a chance for a boosted level.


The Following is the smith chart...

Less than 25 / Sturdy Shovel 100%
25 to 49 / Sturdy Pickaxe 100%
50 to 99 / Sturdy Shovel 45% Sturdy Pickaxe 45% Leather Gloves of Mining +1 10%
200 to 399 / Gargoyle's Pickaxe 40% Prospector's Tool 40% Studded Gloves of Mining +3 10%
400 to 449 / Gargoyle's Pickaxe 40% Prospector's tool 40% Powder of Temperment 20%
450 to 499 / Powder of Temperment 90% Ringmail Mining Gloves +5 10%
500 to 549 / Dull Copper Runic Hammer 100%
550 to 599 / Dull Copper Runic Hammer 60% Shadow Runic Hammer 40%
600 to 624 / Shadow Runic Hammer 100%
625 to 649 / Shadow Runic Hammer 30% Blacksmith Power Scroll +5 60% Hued Anvil (random hue) 10%
650 to 674 / Copper Runic Hammer 100%
675 to 699 / Hued Anvil (random hue) 10% Blacksmith Power Scroll +10 60% Copper Runic Hammer 30%
700 to 749 / Bronze Runic Hammer 100%
750 to 799 / Ancient Smithy Hammer +10 100%
800 to 849 / Blacksmith Power Scroll +15 100%
850 to 899 / Ancient Smithy Hammer +15 100%
900 to 949 / Blacksmith Power Scroll +20 100%
950 to 999 / Golden Runic Hammer 100%
1000 to 1049 / Ancient Smithy Hammer +30 100%
1050 to 1099 / Agapite Runic Hammer 100%
1100 to 1149 / Ancient Smithy Hammer +60 100%
1150 to 1199 / Verite Runic Hammer 100%
1200+ / Valorite Runic Hammer 100%

While most reported boosts have been 50 points, there have been some of as much as 200 points, reported for smiths. All while still potentially getting the original reward as well.


Until the devs actually fess up to the EXACT process going on, all the rest of us can do is see the occasional results, and GUESS at what is going on.

 

[R Traveler]

Probably its not fixed bonus like random from 0 to 200 points. Its more like random from 0 to 20%.

So if you got 1000 smith points its can be 0..200 boost.
If you have low end small for 50 points, you may have 0..10 points boost and as result same reward from 50 to 99 range.

 

[Patty Pickaxe]

Basara- thank you for taking the time to explain that. Numbers are not a strength of mine! I don't see a fast way of knowing which bods to turn in for a chance at the rewards I want. Bods already take too much time. I don't want to have to sit down with a calculator and a list of Lbods before I start filling.

I guess for now I will continue to fill based off of the ToR charts and submit results.

 

[Patty Pickaxe]

We also don't know at what level bonuses actually start being applied

I can tell you that all of the bods listed on ToR as having a chance of giving a tapestry or +5 PS have not changed. I think I have turned in over a dozen larges in an attempt to get tapestries and I have only gotten a tapestry or +5 toilet paper- err, I mean PS I just haven't listed that yet in the sticky threads.

Until the devs actually fess up to the EXACT process going on, all the rest of us can do is see the occasional results, and GUESS at what is going on.

So, do we need to start poking the devs on UoHall??

 

[Basara]

Yes, and remind them that they promised an explanation of what was going on, a few weeks ago.

 

[Patty Pickaxe]

Yes, and remind them that they promised an explanation of what was going on, a few weeks ago.

Done! Thread is on Uhall.

 

[Zolaf]

Personally here is my feeling about the whole thing.

I agree with alot of you about what is going on. I used to look up my largge rewards on ToR in order to figure out what larges I could toss and keep and then toss the smalls that would fit into those bods. I have too many bods as it is and I USED to be able to get rid of some.

The way it stands now, I guess I will stop doing bods altogether because this is rediculous. Getting a reward of a 115 powerscroll vs the runic kit I USED to get its quite annoying. Since I make the money off the rewards and buy the resources, I can no longer afford to do so.

Either UO needs to restructure the point system about scrolls and kits seperately, or make it so if you bump up it stays in that category (i.e. u havea 105 tailor and its bumped to a 120 and nothign else) or I feel that people will stop doing them altogether. I know I will be.