Suggestion: When a Bane Dragon is Tamed, Allow a New One to Spawn

[Splup]

i agree with putting a 2nd bane spawn in fel.

since you seem to want people to buy stygian abyss to get them, place it in the primevil lich lord fel/abyss camp. that way reds can get it, and "player justice" can be handed out to any asshats who try to grief.

in the mean time reds, use soulstones..

Or this.

Players justice is needed here... This is why I spend most of my time in fel, if someone tries to grief you and enlarge his ago just make him bite the dirt and watch him OoOoOOoo and see how's his ego then...

 

[wee papa smurf]

Making them repop faster is possible but is not at all easy. I'm sorry some people are being jerks about it. Wait till next week and I expect they will have left.

It is not the policy of UO to get involved in these kind of disputes between players because it is so hard to prove griefing when a person tames a bane dragon, and then starts hunting with it in the dungeon where he/she got it.

Take this as some comfort. These dragons were designed to balance with the Dread Warhorses because I kept hearing reports on these boards for the return of the DW for the sake of PVP balance. I wanted to level the playing field in PVP but not diminish the rarity of the DW. So, Bane Dragons will not be there forever, but they will be there till I'm satisfied that most people who want one had a chance to get one.

I genuinely would not like to be in you guys's situation, exploiters and griefers find a way around anything that is exploitable so you cant win, then you get everyone else accusing the devs, to get upset about this is just silly.

I remember when nightmares first came out the dungeon in ilsh was full of people taming them then hiding, we dealt with it then and im sure we can deal with it now

 

[Merion]

I appreciate the effort of leveling the field in PvP and the stats of the bane dragons are not too far away from thoses of Dread War Horses, but the lack the ability to breath fire as the DWH do. So they are not bad, but a war horse is still better.

 

[Taylor]

I appreciate the effort of leveling the field in PvP and the stats of the bane dragons are not too far away from thoses of Dread War Horses, but the lack the ability to breath fire as the DWH do. So they are not bad, but a war horse is still better.

I'd choose the bane dragon's poison breath over dread's fire breath. It may not do as much damage, but it poisons the target. Also, the two banes I've managed to tame have better average HP and resists than my two dreads.

 

[Lord Onslaught]

Shard: Atlantic
Player: xXx
Guild: Man^ (more like GROW^)
Location: Hiding by the Slasher

 

[olduofan]

Shard: Atlantic
Player: xXx
Guild: HH
Location: Hiding by the Silver Sappling on a Bane Dragon

same thing on pac shard

 

[Taylor]

I've had the unfortunate occasion to interact with several Man^ members. They live to grief.

 

[olduofan]

We have witnessed a trend on Atlantic: when certain players tame a bane dragon, they spend the next few hours hiding nearby to prevent additional bane dragons from spawning. No additional tamable bane dragons can spawn on the entire shard during this time period.

This problem is easily remedied. Once a bane dragon is tamed, allow a new bane dragon to spawn. This will not prevent grief-killing, but it will prevent the problem noted above.

What do you think, devs? Is a solution like this possible?

Thanks!

because a player thought of it they will never do it they are gods and know whats best for us , they feel its time that we all need to be griefed like it or not just suffer

 

[Felonious Monk]

We have witnessed a trend on Atlantic: when certain players tame a bane dragon, they spend the next few hours hiding nearby to prevent additional bane dragons from spawning. No additional tamable bane dragons can spawn on the entire shard during this time period.

This problem is easily remedied. Once a bane dragon is tamed, allow a new bane dragon to spawn. This will not prevent grief-killing, but it will prevent the problem noted above.

What do you think, devs? Is a solution like this possible?

Thanks!

It's to simple it's to smart. It's the PERFECT solution. Not reliant of the newly tamed leaving the sub server.....
Do it! Do it! Do it!

 

[retrorider]

...It is not the policy of UO to get involved in these kind of disputes between players because it is so hard to prove griefing when a person tames a bane dragon, and then starts hunting with it in the dungeon where he/she got it...

Mark... c'mon, dude! Have you lost the ability to read? These people are not "hunting". They are sitting on a fresh tame daring people to page as they do nothing but sit... and sit... and sit for 10 to 12 hours at a time.

10 to 12 hours, no exaggeration. This is not hyperbole.

I can't believe with all of the posts, complaints and hundreds and hundreds of pages that you or someone like you hasn't logged-on and gone over to get an "eyes-on' evaluation of the situation.

With just a few minutes of observation it would be clear that this behavior is purposeful blocking of spawn.

You understand, don't you, that your event is being co-opted IN CLEAR VIOLATION OF TOS while you TAKE A HANDS OFF APPROACH.

This non-action, more than the "attention" legit players are giving these people are EMBOLDENING THEM TO CONTINUE THEIR ACTIONS.

This is out of the mouths of the very players that tame and then sit/hide and the players that redline kill for 10 to 12 hours a day. If you don't have one logged in you have the other. Go ask them yourself.

 

[retrorider]

...Wait till next week and I expect they will have left...

Ok, and when they don't please don't tell us to wait another week. Can't you see the pattern here?

When you see posts like these at the end of next week PLEASE DO SOMETHING!
PLEASE STOP SITTING ON YOUR HANDS SAYING IT WILL ALL GO AWAY IF WE IGNORE THE BAD PEOPLE!

THE BAD PEOPLE ARE DOING THIS BECAUSE NO ONE IS DOING ANYTHING!

There is nothing borderline, gray-area or "hard to prove" about what is currently going on. Show some interest at least in the success of your own event!

Please have someone reasonable spend some time observing what is actually happening instead of fantasizing about someone mistakenly hunting and act accordingly.


If nothing is done these people will control the entire flow of banes onto ATL shard, or so much of it that it really won't matter to the vast majority of players interested in partaking in this event.

I seem to remember content editors and developers crying about the economy and taking unprecedented steps to clean up the shard to much rejoicing and I applaud you for it!

But then you ALLOW monopolizing, exclusionary TOS violations like this without even a cursory review of the "hands off" policy?

When you are notified that the malicious manipulation of your rules and the actually ignoring of your rules is being used to benefit one small group at the expense of the entire shard AND DO NOTHING, you then become complacent and culpable.

What do you think this is going to do to the economy in the long run?

What do you think it is doing to morale right now, right this second?

 

[Tina Small]

PLEASE STOP SITTING ON YOUR HANDS SAYING IT WILL ALL GO AWAY IF WE IGNORE THE BAD PEOPLE!

THE BAD PEOPLE ARE DOING THIS BECAUSE NO ONE IS DOING ANYTHING!

I'm doing something about it. Finally making good on all my idle threats over the years to quit. It's cleaning and packing time. Then it will be time to transfer houses to guild mates that want them. The ones they don't want...I guess the IDOCers can locate and sit and wonder for months whether or not I left anything worthwhile in them. Next comes uninstallation time and some long-awaited free hard drive space and time, oh so much time, to spend on people and other things I never seem to get around to because of UO. And after that it will be time for big smiles when I look at my bank account statements and see all the money still sitting there because it is no longer being used to subsidize the development of game content that caters to pathological losers who glory in their ability to control and cause distress to other people with no consequences whatsoever.

EA, you finally did it. You got my attention in a big way this time. In all sincerity, thank you, Mark, for doing what no one else had managed to do yet. Don't know if I'm making a mistake in shutting things down this way versus just walking away, but my heart is telling me it will be easier and less tempting to return. No panic attacks in two months that prompt me to reinstall and log on again because I somehow left behind some kind of "unfinished business" or didn't save something I might foolishly want later. I will be able to write the end of the chapter without bitterness or a heavy heart, close the book, set it on the shelf, and walk away.

 

[Taylor]

I'm so sad, Tina, that you are leaving! You've done so much for both the UO and Stratics communities over the years. You're one of my all-time favorite posters. I hope that you'll make a farewell post, so that we can give you a proper goodbye. You and I may not have had peer-to-peer interaction, but I will sincerely miss your posts. Farewell, friend.

 

[olduofan]

I'm doing something about it. Finally making good on all my idle threats over the years to quit. It's cleaning and packing time. Then it will be time to transfer houses to guild mates that want them. The ones they don't want...I guess the IDOCers can locate and sit and wonder for months whether or not I left anything worthwhile in them. Next comes uninstallation time and some long-awaited free hard drive space and time, oh so much time, to spend on people and other things I never seem to get around to because of UO. And after that it will be time for big smiles when I look at my bank account statements and see all the money still sitting there because it is no longer being used to subsidize the development of game content that caters to pathological losers who glory in their ability to control and cause distress to other people with no consequences whatsoever.

EA, you finally did it. You got my attention in a big way this time. In all sincerity, thank you, Mark, for doing what no one else had managed to do yet. Don't know if I'm making a mistake in shutting things down this way versus just walking away, but my heart is telling me it will be easier and less tempting to return. No panic attacks in two months that prompt me to reinstall and log on again because I somehow left behind some kind of "unfinished business" or didn't save something I might foolishly want later. I will be able to write the end of the chapter without bitterness or a heavy heart, close the book, set it on the shelf, and walk away.

I hope you can reconsider your lost will hurt whats left of are community you have been a great asset to use all

 

[Flutter]

EA, you finally did it. You got my attention in a big way this time. In all sincerity, thank you, Mark, for doing what no one else had managed to do yet.

WOW
So sorry to see you go Tina, you've been a very helpful part of this community for quite some time.

Mark if your dismissive comments can make someone like Tina (a good, valuable member of the community who has participated in beta testings as well as being in focus groups with absolutely no "reward" other than knowing she has helped the game she loves) leave the game, perhaps you should rethink your answer?

This is not the first time people have battled this issue in this game. Why hasn't anyone there learned from past mistakes and done something about it? This goes back as far as the introduction to T2A.

At the very least let players page and have the person hidden on the dragon moved outside of the dungeon somewhere.

I have purposefully told my guild not to grief in this manner and to be helpful to those who wish to tame. Kind of shocking since my guys are considered the "bad guys" on my shard. Of course that doesn't stop other people from participating in this form of grief.
Now considering there are no consequences for this, the griefers get their kicks and everyone else on the shard suffers.

How about:
1. Instant respawn (i realize you said this was a hard thing to code Mark, but really)

2. Create some fiction... if the Bane isn't stabled after taming it goes wild in 3 minutes due to it's explosive nature. (Personally I would put "goes wild and attacks it's owner" but I know that's pushing it.)

3. Allow GMs to act on this. Put a memo on the GMs desk, if anyone pages asking you to locate the dragon they should do so and if tamed remove it and its owner from the dungeon, and if wild it should bounce back to spawn site.

4. Have the Bane bounce back to the spawn area, even if tamed, if not stabled within a certain period of time (I chose 3 minutes but it could be half an hour for all I care)

Any other suggestions anyone?

 

[boostar]

Atlantic later the same night:

if someone is afk spawn blocking, they should get auto-logged out unless they have a script running. so I paged on him for unattended macroing thinking maybe that would get someone's attention. three hours later I took the above picture

FYI if people stay on the screen "doing stuff" (talking, running on and off screen, casting etc) then it refreshes their client and they wont auto log no need for a script.

It would have been better to get everyone to run off screen for 5-10 mins and hope nobody ran back onto this players screen but good luck getting everyone to agree to that.

 

[Poo]

i play on every north american shard in UO and even a couple overseas.

but this is the first event where after day one i decided that i would only do this event on my home shard.

why, because of everything listed above.

which is a shame, because events like this are what fuel my desire to play UO.

ah well.
it is obvious the event was made with the best of intentions, just sometimes you cant foresee how people would grief it, and then its hard change stuff, specially code, once its in place and going.

so i can see why stuff didnt get fixed when it was obvious not working, but its a shame.
i can say that in my allmost 13 years of playing this game i was shocked by how some people went out of their way to grief this event.
and ive seen a LOT of griefing over the years.

but there where some people who where sitting on the bane dragon so one wouldnt respawn and they where just going off on people.

"screw you guys, im sitting here all F'ing day, im gonna be the reason no one on this shard gets another one of these, ect ect ect"

it was brutal.
and this wasnt just one shard, i saw this on a couple shards.

why do they do it, i dont care.
should UO have done something to fix it?
well, they probablly should have done something.
something is allways better then nothing.
at least give the impression that you are doing something even if your not.

am i upset about it?
no.

ive been here long enough to know that if you get stuff (done, event item, ect ect) then thats good, if ya dont, then move on.

 

[Poo]

FYI if people stay on the screen "doing stuff" (talking, running on and off screen, casting etc) then it refreshes their client and they wont auto log no need for a script.

It would have been better to get everyone to run off screen for 5-10 mins and hope nobody ran back onto this players screen but good luck getting everyone to agree to that.

ah crap, you can see me leaving there, you should have tooken your screen shot about 10 seconds before when i was going off on that guy.

granted.... what was said you wouldnt be able to post here on stratics, hahahaha

 

[Felonious Monk]

I'm doing something about it. Finally making good on all my idle threats over the years to quit. It's cleaning and packing time. Then it will be time to transfer houses to guild mates that want them. The ones they don't want...I guess the IDOCers can locate and sit and wonder for months whether or not I left anything worthwhile in them. Next comes uninstallation time and some long-awaited free hard drive space and time, oh so much time, to spend on people and other things I never seem to get around to because of UO. And after that it will be time for big smiles when I look at my bank account statements and see all the money still sitting there because it is no longer being used to subsidize the development of game content that caters to pathological losers who glory in their ability to control and cause distress to other people with no consequences whatsoever.

EA, you finally did it. You got my attention in a big way this time. In all sincerity, thank you, Mark, for doing what no one else had managed to do yet. Don't know if I'm making a mistake in shutting things down this way versus just walking away, but my heart is telling me it will be easier and less tempting to return. No panic attacks in two months that prompt me to reinstall and log on again because I somehow left behind some kind of "unfinished business" or didn't save something I might foolishly want later. I will be able to write the end of the chapter without bitterness or a heavy heart, close the book, set it on the shelf, and walk away.

I'd like to thank you Tina for all of your dedication and insights. I think you made UO and Stratics a better place. I'm saddened by your post. You always had a cool head and good judgment. Your enthusiasm was always a pick me up. We've always had these problems in UO as you know they've rarely been addressed appropriately. I'll Miss your contributions Quite a bit. Every time I saw you post I would think ahh good here's some good input. Thank you.

 

[Wenchkin]

Tina, I understand why you feel you need to walk away but you'll be sorely missed and I truly hope you reconsider. Or just give yourself a few months break and see how the game looks.

Whatever you decide, travel safely and take care

Wenchy

 

[Evlar]

...unless something is done.

 

[retrorider]

I'm doing something about it. Finally making good on all my idle threats over the years to quit. ....

Please, Tina, don't do this. Not over something like this.

I think they actually made some changes and/or banned some people because Bane Dragons are being tamed now and have been each and every time I checked in today.

They heard you, Tina. Please don't leave.

 

[Scarab]

ah crap, you can see me leaving there, you should have tooken your screen shot about 10 seconds before when i was going off on that guy.

granted.... what was said you wouldnt be able to post here on stratics, hahahaha

I had to scroll down my journal and selectively cut the screen shot to edit out certain choice comments

 

[canary]

I'm doing something about it. Finally making good on all my idle threats over the years to quit. It's cleaning and packing time.

Have a good one, Tina! It's not so game breaking I would be leaving, but to each their own. I guess this isn't another threat, then, but the real deal. Well, to that I say, safe journeys.

 

[Connor_Graham]

It is not the policy of UO to get involved in these kind of disputes between players because it is so hard to prove griefing when a person tames a bane dragon, and then starts hunting with it in the dungeon where he/she got it.

Tamers don't take freshly tamed rare mounts out to hunt with. They stable them until they're bonded. I would think as someone in a position of authority you would know this.


Seems come people can't handle the truth...

 

[gortman]

Tamers don't take freshly tamed rare mounts out to hunt with. They stable them until they're bonded. I would think as someone in a position of authority you would know this.


Seems come people can't handle the truth...

Ditto...

 

[Aibal]

Tamers don't take freshly tamed rare mounts out to hunt with. They stable them until they're bonded. I would think as someone in a position of authority you would know this.


Seems come people can't handle the truth...

Exactly. Anyone who thinks a tamer does this is naive or ignorant.

 

[HD2300]

They should really release on a Monday or Tuesday. That way problems like this can be fixed the next day instead of everyone waiting until the weekend is over.

I think a work around solution would be to spawn hundreds of them over a wide area like in the unoccupied areas of Malas. Hopefully it can be rectified soon.

 

[Kellgory]

Not sure why they don't allow the bane dragons from the fights to be tamed, that would at least give some incentive to kill the banes. At least that way everyone has an oppertunity to tame one not just blue tamers with SA. As it is now, you have 20 people in tram killing the ophids and one poor sap killing the banes.

 

[Alezi]

Exactly. Anyone who thinks a tamer does this is naive or ignorant.

I do this. Sparring a Bane Dragon on a Shadow Iron elemental. Also took it to test out its tanking potential vs. Rikktor (it almost died!)

 

[BeefSupreme]

What I don't understand is, it used to be if someone was doing something like this
You could page and a GM would most likely come watch without appearing.
He'd use his common sense and then move the player hiding with his dragon off to jail.
He'd even make a smart ass comment about how jail is a much better place to hide...

What happened? When did the policy change from GMs acting as a sort of UO police, and why did it change?

 

[Aibal]

I do this. Sparring a Bane Dragon on a Shadow Iron elemental. Also took it to test out its tanking potential vs. Rikktor (it almost died!)

Then you're in the very small minority. I'll do it with gdrags due to their extreme tankability, but the better banes I've tamed thus far won't see squat until they're bonded.

 

[Flutter]

Guys we are talking to someone (Mark) who thinks Bane dragons are an acceptable replacement for dread mares.
Bane Dragons ≠ Dread Mares

 

[[JD]]

What is the reason for complaining about banes vs. dreads?

Mythic should have been well aware of the griefing aspect of this and it is within their power to prevent it in the future by using their noggin.

Otherwise you get twits like this guy:

"I didn't come here to tame, I came to **** with those trying to tame"...

http://i50.***********/izn5p5.jpg

 

[Splup]

Honestly, Marks comment in this thread must be one of the most thoughtless posts I'v seen made by Devmember. Wouldv prolly been better off without posting anything, that just pissed ppl off.

I dunno if problem still exists on shards (atleast not on Europa or Drachs), but still...