Stealthing poll

[Sir Morder]

I, personally, hate it.
- If you are blue, there is the guard zone for your protection. Venture out and DIE like the rest of us. Hell you might even like it.
- if you are red, then die inside the guard zone like the rest of us.
- if you're in factions and still stealth, well, refer to the bluebie advice.
- if you're a crafter and hide...are you serious?
- did I miss anyone? The dev's have given us incredible gear that is cursed and meant to be used AND lost. This shard is meant for fighting, dying, losing gear! If you don't understand, well, trammel -----> that way.

 

[kelmo]

I personally believe it is required... Because we always have to dodge PKers.

 

[kelmo]

There are no PKers to Dodge in Trammel... That is boring.

 

[Troop]

I don't have hide/stealth on Troop and never have. I do have it on my crafter. It's rare that I get PK'd.

 

[Kattasrophe]

I have to say yes and no. I have it on my character because I like using it when Im trying to retrieve my body or Im wanting to adventure a dungeon I have never been in before, although I have also used it to hide from people, I say yes for people that don't want to die. No for the people who are brave enough and are willing to die or have a fight. Im a bit of both.. *shrugs* Call me a trammy if you want for using stealth but a lot and I mean a lot of people have it. Right now my computer is down and im using a lap top so im stealthing. But hey. When I get my computer back up I wont be hiding

 

[Sir Morder]

I personally believe it is required... Because we always have to dodge PKers.

No you don't always have to dodge or hide. Try fighting back. Unless you are still on a dial-up conn then perhaps hiding is your gig. What kind of ultra-awesome gear are you running that you can't afford to lose? We have a bless item option here. Bless your orny or whatever you choose and enjoy what Siege really has to offer.

 

[Sir Morder]

There are no PKers to Dodge in Trammel... That is boring.

I've seen one shown red in the past year. There's no pk's here either so why hide

 

[Sir Morder]

I don't have hide/stealth on Troop and never have. I do have it on my crafter. It's rare that I get PK'd.

Rare indeed.

 

[Sir Morder]

I have to say yes and no. I have it on my character because I like using it when Im trying to retrieve my body or Im wanting to adventure a dungeon I have never been in before, although I have also used it to hide from people, I say yes for people that don't want to die. No for the people who are brave enough and are willing to die or have a fight. Im a bit of both.. *shrugs* Call me a trammy if you want for using stealth but a lot and I mean a lot of people have it. Right now my computer is down and im using a lap top so im stealthing. But hey. When I get my computer back up I wont be hiding

To respond quickly :
Try using sacrifice to retrieve body. Very easy to raise sacrifice.
Join factions and use monster ignore to explore dungeons (I know you are in factions).
If you're hiding from people - who scares you so? Are you afraid of losing cheap gear?
If you don't want to die? Why play Siege? Siege came after trammel BECAUSE people wanted to die I was there, I know

 

[Ru TnT]

If nobody is stealthing around, who will I play hide and seek with?

 

[Sir Morder]

If nobody is stealthing around, who will I play hide and seek with?

Ru what can I say? You might be thee original stealther (or was it Mr X?) There's always an exception to every rule

 

[Spiffykeen]

Maybe I just like sneakin around dammit....

 

[Bo Bo]

While the Bo's current template involves hide and stealth, Bo agrees with this 100%.
If they eliminated hide stealth you would have alot easier time getting away from pks when you are farming. Most pks will use hide stealth to there advantage to suprise you. Without hide stealt you will see the pk from a screen away, giving you a head start on the run away.

 

[Aelfric]

I think hide and stealth are very important skills, and people love having this style of character in all fantasy/role-playing games forever and always. Myself included. What we should do is buff tracking and detect hidden. They both used to be much better, and should be much more powerful considering the amount of space they take up on a template.

I would also like to see an increased incentive for everyone to move through certain areas in the countryside and cross paths with one another. Incentivise risk.

While house teleporters are awesome and convenient, they never should have been added. It prevents random encounters. House teleporters are only barely worse than having recall on our shard. Also, the world is way too big now that the population is so low.

In other words, I think there are many other culprits besides the skills hide and stealth.

 

[Angyl of Ohr]

I, personally, hate it.
- If you are blue, there is the guard zone for your protection. Venture out and DIE like the rest of us. Hell you might even like it.
- if you are red, then die inside the guard zone like the rest of us.
- if you're in factions and still stealth, well, refer to the bluebie advice.
- if you're a crafter and hide...are you serious?
- did I miss anyone? The dev's have given us incredible gear that is cursed and meant to be used AND lost. This shard is meant for fighting, dying, losing gear! If you don't understand, well, trammel -----> that way.

oh Sir Morder, tsk tsk. I give you +1 for at least trying. Silly wabbits, tricks are for kids

 

[Tjalle]

If stealth was removed (which won´t happen) I wouldn´t cry too much.
But I do love it for my PvM/exploring adventures...

 

[Troop]

Most pks will use hide stealth to there advantage to suprise you. Without hide stealth you will see the pk from a screen away, giving you a head start on the run away.

Yes, and it's also annoying when they use monster ignore when raiding a champ spawn.

 

[Sir Morder]

I think hide and stealth are very important skills, and people love having this style of character in all fantasy/role-playing games forever and always. Myself included. What we should do is buff tracking and detect hidden. They both used to be much better, and should be much more powerful considering the amount of space they take up on a template.

I would also like to see an increased incentive for everyone to move through certain areas in the countryside and cross paths with one another. Incentivise risk.

While house teleporters are awesome and convenient, they never should have been added. It prevents random encounters. House teleporters are only barely worse than having recall on our shard. Also, the world is way too big now that the population is so low.

In other words, I think there are many other culprits besides the skills hide and stealth.

Sorry I have to edit I tried replying on my desk top and am still having problems posting so I'm back on da phone.
Um tracking and detect we're never any better than they are now so not sure what you're saying here. Not one pvp template I have ever seen on any board involves GM detect & GM tracking. You might as well say "come keel me, I suxxors!"
Everyone move through certain areas? What good does that do if everyone is hiding?
House teleporters suck. Period. I don't own any nuf said.

 

[Sir Morder]

oh Sir Morder, tsk tsk. I give you +1 for at least trying. Silly wabbits, tricks are for kids

I'm sorry, I don't know you. By looking at your post count I'm guessing that you are new and have recently came to Siege and made another stealther?
Please allow me to introduce myself. My name in game is Sir Morder 15 + year veteran of Siege. Welcome to Siege. If I happen to run into you I will welcome you Siege style *evil grins*
Please at least try to enjoy Siege as it was MEANT to be played

 

[Sir Morder]

If stealth was removed (which won´t happen) I wouldn´t cry too much.
But I do love it for my PvM/exploring adventures...

I'm not sure if you know this (maybe you do) but there used to be a timer after hiding before you could stealth. There also used to be non passive stealthing by which I mean you had to actively hit the stealth skill. You also could not go more than 8 steps (I think) without having to actively use the skill again. Don't delete stealth? Okay, put it back to how it used to be *evil grins*

 

[Bo Bo]

. Not one pvp template I have ever seen on any board involves GM detect & GM tracking..

actually gm tracking used to give a boost to deathstrikes. Bo ran it for along time. thats how bo would hit for 60 on deathstrikes.

 

[Sir Morder]

Yes, and it's also annoying when they use monster ignore when raiding a champ spawn.

Ahh a perk you might say for making thyself orange and a target anywhere to any other factioneer

 

[Sir Morder]

actually gm tracking used to give a boost to deathstrikes. Bo ran it for along time. thats how bo would hit for 60 on deathstrikes.

That also was with human tracking or at the most 40 tracking skill, not GM tracking.

 

[Kattasrophe]

To respond quickly :
Try using sacrifice to retrieve body. Very easy to raise sacrifice.
Join factions and use monster ignore to explore dungeons (I know you are in factions).
If you're hiding from people - who scares you so? Are you afraid of losing cheap gear?
If you don't want to die? Why play Siege? Siege came after trammel BECAUSE people wanted to die I was there, I know

Just sayin, Im not factioned, Im not afraid of loosing gear at all, but I dont like taking a long time to retrieve a body Anyhow, I will keep playing my game and you keep playing yours, Sides, I mainly play just to hang with my friends and help people, And for the heck of it. *hugs everyone*

 

[kelmo]

Why play Siege? Siege came after trammel BECAUSE people wanted to die I was there, I know

This is not correct. Siege happened before Trammel.

 

[weins201]

Sorry but this sound like a BAD rant from someone who cannot find people to kill. Monster Ignore is an Abused BAD implementation and will be fixed with the abolition of factions. Sacrifice is a tool to be used and something you cannot use as a red can you :-( I Stealth around to avoid measly encounter with player who only wan to to kill other players, and I have stealth to allow me to do so without confrontation, It has been around for a LONG time get over it. Learn to play with people and not just seek them out to kill them and you MIGHT actually have people who might want to play with you. But since you clearly only want to kill other player, enjoy your play style and live with what others chose. Almost all of your assumption are way off. And the shard is NOT for fighting and dying and was never designed to force player to interact only by fighting each other, it was designed to make it a bit more risk to play that is about it, it was NOT designed to give malcontents a place to kill other for S.a.G.s.

 

[kelmo]

Thank you weins201... Punctuation... it is not just for smilies.

*winks*

 

[cazador]

Stealth has and always will be dumb..but it's not going anywhere..there used to be very few stealthers until the made ninja require stealth hiding for deathstrike..and since a 9year old can play a ninja stealther..that's all you see..or 210 sword/archers.. Easy buttons


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[kelmo]

Welcome cazador... I do not see you here often.

 

[Aelfric]

Tracking used to pick people up from multiple screens away, and it didnt use that arrow, but gave you directions which was better.

Detect used to passively reveal people, and reveal much more easily.

 

[Aelfric]

Also, i think that the solution, whatever it is, should not restrict people's templates but rather encourage new ones.

 

[Zalfein]

I, personally, hate it.
This shard is meant for fighting, dying, losing gear! If you don't understand, well, trammel -----> that way.

You're so right, this shard is not about fishing, decorating, socializing, crafting, staring at the screen half asleep holding a bowl of cereal.

This shard is for the elite, who still believes a 16 year old game is DA best for PvP.

Zalfein

 

[Wulf2k]

This shard is for whoever wants to play it, and it is what we make of it.

Only here do we have the unique ability to see somebody playing in a way we don't like, and to viciously murder them and everybody they love for it.

Why must we argue and squabble over something so pure?

 

[crossandmore]

UO s great strength lies in the diversity of paths we can take.Why take away options? Everything can be countered,so therfor anything goes.

 

[Ellie]

I use both hiding and stealth. Especially in the dungeons when I am stealing near monsters. I also use stealth to check on scripters. Most of the time I am out running around in the open. I hardly see anyone out there. Guess Im in the wrong spots for that. Or maybe its because I stay away from Luna.

I was in Moonglow last night and some one snuck up on me and hit me. I was in the open. I ran a ways off and then came back and started tracking her. Its sooo much fun.

 

[Kattasrophe]

Okay Obviously this is turning into an argument, and I see good points on both sides. Thing is There will always be stealthing and hiding, There will always be fighters and crafters, there will always be ninjas, healers, imbuers, trackers, campers, and thieves. So what is the point of making a huge argument over it? And as I said Im on both sides, I find it annoying when someone calls you out to a duel then they never show I have seen it a numerous amount of times, Some of us are just anti social. My point is, We just have to make the best of it. So what if you dont like stealthers? there is always a way of killing them. and for the people that do not like dying, continue to hide! But that does not mean you are always safe! Siege is here for a reason, Im here because of the close knit community most of you are just like my family, I am not here for the fighting and arguing. So lets just make the best of what we got and be done with it! And Ru made a good point.. He must have his stealthers to play hide and go seek with! AND AND! My mom says some people no matter what you do you just cant make them happy, My Reply to that is, I'll have a heck of a time trying, Good luck to them death robe collectors and murderers!

 

[Aelfric]

While Katt is right, I think this is a pretty fruitful thread. It's good to see all the different takes on the matter.

 

[Angyl of Ohr]

I'm sorry, I don't know you. By looking at your post count I'm guessing that you are new and have recently came to Siege ..........

One should not assume, because I am fairly new to Stratics, that I am new to Siege. I quote Isaac Asimov ~ “Your assumptions are your windows on the world. Scrub them off every once in a while, or the light won't come in.” http://www.goodreads.com/author/show/16667.Isaac_Asimov

You, and others who have like minds and playstyles as you do, have every right to play Siege as you wish. In that same breath, so does anyone else who wishes to play Siege. You do not own the Shard, therefore, you can not tell others how to play it and expect them to heed your words and do so. You can try to tell someone how you feel Siege is mean't to be played, but ultimately it just becomes your opinion. Some may agree, and some may disagree. We all have opinions and we all choose how to act, and how to react to certain situatons. That, in itself, is the beauty of free will.

 

[FrejaSP]

Did not vote as I would say yes but stealth need a nerf, so if you get to close to players and move, you 50% chances to drop out of hiding unless you have gm stealing/snooping too.

 

[TheDrAJ]

It ain't broke - don't fix it.

 

[cazador]

People still have campers?


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[GarthGrey]

I'll give up hide/stealth if they'll code Siege to accept Enhanced Client logins only. If i need to explain that to you..well...

 

[cazador]

I'll give up hide/stealth if they'll code Siege to accept Enhanced Client logins only. If i need to explain that to you..well...

Once it's the only option just a matter of time before things get made for it


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[DJAd]

Ahhhhh that explains why I never see anyone when I login to Siege. There all hiding!

 

[Kattasrophe]

People still have campers?


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Yes they do, but honestly that was not my point.

 

[cazador]

Yes they do, but honestly that was not my point.

Really? Why? Roleplaying? Nostalgia? Or just on a soulstone to say they gained it once..


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[Wulf2k]

Can you still camp in that room in Doom that fills with poison and steal some artifact?

Yes, this thread is now about camping. Way to go Katt, you derailed the thread.

We should get you a trophy for derailing threads. It can be a bronzed rear end of a cat. Then when people ask what it is, you can tell them "Oh, that's my Catasstrophy."

...I don't want to go back to work! YOU CAN'T MAKE ME! NOOOOOoooooooo........!!!!!!

 

[cazador]

There's a few bugs with camping..but nothing game breaking or even worthy of exploiting..if anything multi clienting 4-5 vamp form mages and a sampire in that poison room can yield gold..worth more then the Artie's


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[Wulf2k]

Multiclienting 6 accounts seems an odd metric to compare against.

 

[Troll The T Hunter]

- if you're a crafter and hide...are you serious?

why wouldnt my crafter NOT have hidding?