(Question) State of Siege. PvP/Pks becoming endangered?

[T'Challa]

Both sides have good points...

I myself stopped playing for a couple of reasons. One, the "danger" was gone because it really is too easy to evade anything less than a 3 man ganksquad...

Two, and more important, the collective IQ of the folks that populate this shard has gone down 1000% in the last few years. I prefer to play around/with/against folks with more sense than a friggin' billy goat with a foul mouth. When all your playmates can do is insult someone's mother, offer a bottle of bleach for a cocktail, or make dumbass (badly done) flash movies with a photo found on the internet, you have hit rock bottom and there's nowhere else to go.

So I stopped playing. Still frequent the forums to see how it's going and if the collective IQ has begun to rise again. Sadly, this thread is indicative of all the things I'm complaining about, so I don't see myself re-upping anytime soon.

*edit* feces fetishes are another pet peeve of mine.

 

[Kat]

Hey, now, I can't speak for HaHa, but wouldn't go so far as saying I have a poop fetish! I just have enough 13-year-old sense of humor in me, that I occasionally find a well told poop story pretty darn funny. *shrugs*

 

[Scopulus Falco]

Chard's point is that the entire Siege population is endangered... and sadly, he is 100% correct.

Nay milady I came back. He is only 99% correct.Now you need to tell ALL your guildies to come back, and so forth.

 

[Black magick]

Some few have always believed Siege is a PvP shard. It is not but that is another discussion.

The "I kill you and loot you" folks are leaving in droves.

I suspect the reason is we "adventurers" have adapted. I mentioned in another thread that many items and skills have come in to play. Some benefit predators, some benefit the "prey".

We all choose Siege for a reason. I like the format. I could be dead at any moment. I choose this. I am not relay safe anywhere.

Yet... I rarely die anymore. All the skills and abilities the PvP/Pk crew get... I do to. I think I win a fight if I survive. The PvP/PKer can feel as whatever they wish.

They try to kill me... I try get away. Some one will win. usually me... *chuckles*

I remember old times. When I met honorable opponents on the field. Those days seem distant. Now it all seems about items and sell back. And trash talk.

Pvpers? Clean up your house. You will become endangered if you do not. I have seen some efforts here. Fallow through.

Run the buggers off the shard. The rest of us? We will be here. Sometimes unseen and unheard. There are a lot of us here. We are just better at hiding than you are at finding us.

I'm actually kinda curious as to the motivation behind your post. I can't tell if it's just to stir the pot or that you're asking a question but coming off the wrong way.

I know I haven't pk'ed at all since Black was no longer a thief, I think that was about 2 years ago. The only reason that was even entertaining is because of the severe disadvantage I always had against most players and yet I still killed a fair share per day. I gave it up because it was already clear who I could attack or steal from and get away with it. This, to me, was boring.

I haven't actively pvped on Call in over a year, my "excuse" being that I was the only mage in jsv, and I didn't want to join any of the other guilds. Tnt, as it is the same situation as jsv, and bff runs the pvp scene, they ran mages which is a plus but I like a competition.

Don't kid yourself into thinking pvpers/pks are an endangered uo species because the pvmers have "adapted." If anything, my pvmer, Pedobear, proved that it doesn't matter if you've "adapted." The month or so I actually played him I ran the abyss like my own personal playground. Nobody ever found me and I didn't even have hiding and stealth. Why? Nobody is looking. *edit* In case anybody is wondering, this character is a sampire. If you know about pedobear you should find that at least a little amusing.

Players aren't leaving because you're making it "harder" on them or any such nonsense. They're leaving because one way or another it's not as fun as it should be.

Queen Zen calibur post?

 

[Vaelix]

or make dumbass (badly done) flash movies with a photo found on the internet

I am curious now..

 

[Elmer Fudd]

I am curious now..

Do you have the vent info BTW?

 

[Bo Bo]

There are few good posts about pkers no longer being around siege. Black magic and Elmer summed it up well. Bo is prolly one of the few left on the shard that will attempt to kill anyone Bo sees or die trying. To keep it simple the land mass is too large, and population too low. Bo would have better luck to use Bo's soulstones and pvm. Before soulstones a pker needed to rely on his/her kills to support themselves. Now with soulstones and imbuing just farm what you need and make what you want.
Farmers also have it easy now on siege. Self ressing anywhere you want in the SA dungeon with all your belongings on you what a joke. Hide, stealth and ninja just pop smoke and be on your way. With tracking broke noway Bo could ever find you. Even with tracking working correctly if you have gm hide and stealth the chances of Bo tracking you are at best 50%, and that is if Bo picks the right thing to track.
Please dont tell Bo to adapt, by the time Bo would put all the skills needed on to find and detect you. You would just go "all kill" and bo would die. Think about how is Bo to find a pvmer, stealth in on them? Cause the minute they see Bo they run for the hills. So is Bo suppose to stealth around all the lands hoping to find someone? Gee that would only take a couple of hours. Thanks but no thanks Bo would rather just farm what is needed.

 

[Vaelix]

Do you have the vent info BTW?

I do, but I've been pretty busy and havent even logged into Siege Perilous in like 2+ Weeks.

 

[Draxous]

The sheep aren't safe sitting in a private house that's properly built?

The sheep aren't safe to monster bash away inside instanced dungeons?

The sheep aren't safe to roam the world invisible to everyone else?

There are plenty of "safe zones" and "safety nets" on siege for sheep to take refuge.

PvPer does not = PK...

Some really stupid points are made in this thread. *you* haven't adapted to squat. The shard is broken and people are sick of playing a broken game. It's not fun.

Quote by Kelmo

Run the buggers off the shard. The rest of us? We will be here. Sometimes unseen and unheard. There are a lot of us here. We are just better at hiding than you are at finding us.

lol. Riiight.

Dude... all the PKs and PvPers are still here. We're just soooo much better than you that you don't see us. There are a lot of us. We are just better at hiding than you are.

Enjoy playing "Invisible Online" where there's tons and tons of players, but nobody sees, hears or interacts with anybody else!!! It's an MMO, I swear!

 

[Uvtha]

 

[Raptor85]

Hmm...I'm taking a short "vacation" at the moment from Siege (Accidentally turned general chat on, it'll take a few weeks for me to recover) but not 3 weeks ago I was having trouble NOT running into people everywhere, even in such out of the way places as terra sanctum or wrong.

As for the "pvper != pk'er" argument, In general I've been attacked on sight (not just on my thief, that's understandable, but on lesser known characters I have) and dry looted by siege pvper's, so I steer clear for the most part and try to keep out of luna and other areas they hang out. Sure, some of the time I was opposing faction, (for a very short period) but it's obvious that someone wearing a ratty piece of leather armor carrying a soul seeker having trouble killing goblins isn't exactly geared for pvp. Even in the more expensive 50k gold 70 suits I was wearing I was still a one shot kill for the myst mages, without having a lot more resources or time spent on siege the better option is to keep away from pvp/pk areas or use stealth. (my thief is actually my only character with stealth, but that's an obvious "need" case....if you knew I was there you wouldn't let me spend the 5 seconds next to you i need to set up for the steal)

Oh, and Elmer, you're not finding anyone because they broke tracking completely with the launch of High Seas, It's not working correctly right now. And carry better stuff in your pack! Every time I snooped you it's been bare bones....all blessed items or cheap consumables...

As a sidenote, the main reason I'm taking a break right now is to both get a little work done. (I was procrastinating a bit and fishing up with the new changes to fishing ) A side reason is I learned that my 50-60 fishmonger quests I completed have been netting me NEGATIVE reputation with the fishmongers, due to the way I was accepting them and the fact that I was canceling them to put my boat away every night. I'm also still getting the High Seas boat lag bug, where If i gate to/from my ship at ALL during the day (which you really have to, the @$%@% fish weigh 10 stones each and there's absolutely no way to get 5-10 of the exact one you need in a realistic amount of time, so you end up carting fish back and forth from the house as you need them), I have a movement bug for the rest of the day where I move as if I'm lagging badly (10x worse inside houses for some reason).

 

[Petra Fyde]

Sadly, it's not just Siege, the whole game is getting emptier. Too much land mass and too few people spread over it. Although if the extra land mass disappeared and we were all confined to the original land area I think we'd find it quite busy.

I thought that the general chat would be a good thing for Siege, that the pvpers would be able to challenge each other and not have to go looking for a fight. I guess that was niave of me.

I'm wandering all over the place now I have a char that's not pure crafter. I bump into people, or they bump into me, in the strangest places since I started digging treasure maps. Most of them are pvmers too though and mean me no harm.
On the other hand, I've been pk'd on one of the most remote islands and my boat found when I left it at sea.

I wish I could do something to help. Every time I hear that someone lost their armor I want to say 'don't worry, I'll replace it' just so that they can keep playing. But I can't replace the kind of armor they've lost

 

[Sir Morder]

Too much complaining going on in this thread and not enough playing LOL. Face it, siege has been going in the wrong direction for about 10 years now. It's never going to change, and, imo, it's only gonna get worse. Siege is nothing more than a glorified prodo shard, but worse. At least on prodo shards there is some sort of population. Hell, just the other day while i was wandering the lands, i came across a skill macro'r. I'm almost ashamed to say i did absolutely nothing about it. Why drive off a person that is potentially an ally or an enemy to fight? Sad, sad, sad ...

 

[kelmo]

Im sad, i made a point i thought and kelmo wont talk to me now......lol

Sorry Fudd. I have read your post this morning and your point is noted.

While my intent was just to stir the... umm start a lively discussion, the beer and the fishing training seemed to have made me a bit more argumentative than I meant to be.

If any were offended, I apologize. At least one got to enjoy the popcorn... *winks*

 

[Victim of Siege]

*mumble's something about Kelmo not sharing the beer...*

 

[Mook Chessy]

No. I am saying you PvP/PKers suck at finding us. You think you have adapted? Maybe for a regular shard... We Siege folk, the folks that live and die here. The truly hard core have adapted.

Is it any wonder we hide? We sneak around? There are hundreds of us out there. I see them them all the time.

We survivers have adapted. We are just better at it than you.

Kelmo...didnt your mother teach you not to lie!

On any given night Siege has less the 40 peps playing, maybe less.

The funniest thing about this thread is that you (kelmo) have been the one who refuses to adapt!

To me its the chicken or the egg, think about it kelmo in a way your to blame for the death of Siege, you have said in many threads that you where a faction player. IMHO if you and all the others faction players actually embraced the new faction system and contiuned to pvp maybe siege would be ok now.

Your choice to use hide and stealth and only fight here on the boards is what killed siege.

All of this really dosent matter Siege is dead...


seacrest out!

 

[Skylark SP]

Both sides have good points...

Agreed. I think few would deny that very sporadic release of fresh content, lack of bug fixes, and balancing around existing mechanics whenever new features were finally introduced, has caused many to leave in frustration during UO's long history.

UO is a very much a niche game, that comprises a much narrower niche with each passing year. For those who enjoy it in its current state, that is great. I certainly enjoyed it for a long time while it was in a severely broken state, but eventually I reached a point where I felt the game didn't adequately support all playstyles around which the game was originally designed to make it enjoyable enough for me and those I spent time with in the game (who mostly reached that point long before I did) to continue playing. Everyone has to make their own decision on when that limit is reached.

That being said, the game has changed - whether for better or worse in terms of new features, is a matter of opinion, and as such the opinions are valid for those who hold them, but the change can't be denied. Fighting against the current state of the game is a recipe for frustration IMO, and games are supposed to be for our enjoyment.

Enjoy UO - or any game - for what it is, give feedback to development channels/customer service when given the opportunity, but eventually as consumers you need to just make the decision about whether or not this form of entertainment as it is, satisfies you, and if not, probably best to try something else.

-Skylark

 

[Revvo]

I was going to make a long, insightful and witty post commenting on this topic but realised that myself and twelve million of my friends have a Cataclysm rapidly approaching, sometimes just being apart of something strong, healthy and relevant can make up for the few shortfalls.

 

[Skylark SP]

As a side note, is anyone else seeing this forum's timestamps on posts as around 60 minutes in the future?

-Skylark

 

[Chardonnay]

I was going to make a long, insightful and witty post commenting on this topic but realised that myself and twelve million of my friends have a Cataclysm rapidly approaching, sometimes just being apart of something strong, healthy and relevant can make up for the few shortfalls.

Can you please have one of your 12 million friends tell you that you have a forum already for your game...

Here's a site you might be interested in i hear they have a great array of consumables for you...

Clorox.com | Household - Cleaning Products

 

[Chardonnay]

As a side note, is anyone else seeing this forum's timestamps on posts as around 60 minutes in the future?

-Skylark

New Management FTL...

 

[Adrianas]

Real PvPers have no interest in you kelmo, We never have.

Real PvPers are not PKers..

Pkers are those who are interested in Loot and Killing.

Pvpers are interested in the Fight that got them to that point.

That is all.

I agree wholeheartedly with what you say, Vaelix. I have a lot of respect for PvPers - they have learned their skills well and know how to play them. And often they will ask you if you would like to PvP - they generally do not auto-attack. It is possible to be a PvPer and still be an honorable player.

I have never had respect for PKers because their goal seems to be simply to spoil the game for others.

Personally, I would love to see a large contingent of true PvPers on Siege.

*goes back to lurking*

 

[Chardonnay]

Nay milady I came back. He is only 99% correct.Now you need to tell ALL your guildies to come back, and so forth.

Oh boy, another one of Diablo's wonder twins on the server...JOY!

 

[Roland']

The shard is dead Kelmod. You, your girlfriend and your other friends might as well go play a free shard together cause the population difference would be minute.

 

[Monolith]

I agree wholeheartedly with what you say, Vaelix. I have a lot of respect for PvPers - they have learned their skills well and know how to play them. And often they will ask you if you would like to PvP - they generally do not auto-attack. It is possible to be a PvPer and still be an honorable player.

I have never had respect for PKers because their goal seems to be simply to spoil the game for others.

Personally, I would love to see a large contingent of true PvPers on Siege.

*goes back to lurking*

Well, I'm not going to comment on anyones post. I'm only going to state that PVP was making a small comeback few months ago when Sakey and Nadal suggested the buy back. TNT came back to Siege, more EVO was playing Siege instead of ATL, MV was helping the Siege Community, and the FAT guild started up. Even at one time you would see few of the old JSV running around. Currently, the majority players on Siege are the more mature adults that doesnt have 16 hours a day to play. Most of us only have couple hours a day to play. Most of us dont have hours to farm or neither enjoy farming. Most of the mature adults would rather PVP for hours just for the fun. Loot is not the issue.......the price of loot is somewhat the issue. Players won't be able to maintain PVP at the 3mil buy back for a suit. Siege economy is not the same as ATL where the average player has 500mil.

I guess PVP started dwindling when some players started to keep suits or tried to sell them back for enormous prices. Greed vs Fun.

As Skis mentioned, most players like myself care less about gold/loot. I would rather just enjoy getting the kill and bragging rights instead of loot. To bad we dont have more ppl like Elmer and few others play style.

 

[Revvo]

Can you please have one of your 12 million friends tell you that you have a forum already for your game...

Here's a site you might be interested in i hear they have a great array of consumables for you...

Clorox.com | Household - Cleaning Products

Your bitter anger is sweet music

I still have this little piece of history safely stored in the bucket !!

Good times

 

[Chardonnay]

Your bitter anger is sweet music

I bet your a blood elf in real life...

 

[Roland']

Dude... all the PKs and PvPers are still here. We're just soooo much better than you that you don't see us. There are a lot of us. We are just better at hiding than you are.

Enjoy playing "Invisible Online" where there's tons and tons of players, but nobody sees, hears or interacts with anybody else!!! It's an MMO, I swear!

This made me smile.

 

[Sunchicken]

I consider myself a pvper and a pk. I dont pk to be a **** or just for the loot. I pk because I consider it a very vital part of what makes siege siege.

It is said pvp/pking is a dieing part of siege. I disagree. I currently have 4 toons on siege. Half of which are red.
Normally when i make a kill i dont even open the corpse. If I happen to pk someone farming I will probably take the farmed items be it silver, powerscrolls, ingots, or imbue ingredients. I do this because I have need for these items.

I think the size of all the landmasses combined with the total population is what are have more bearing on the amount of pvpers. I would love to see the addition of passive reveal. Stealth has entirely to many benifits for the amount of skill invested. Its not skill that gives one the ability to escape at a high level of sucess as it is to the over powerment of the items and skill sets avalible for escaping vs the items and skill sets avalible to reveal after the sucessful hide.

I dont consider myself a prick and I dont talk a whole bunch of crap when i kill somone.

 

[Sunchicken]

Do you have the vent info BTW?

I dont if you would pm me the info i would greatly apreciate it.

 

[kelmo]

*chuckles* Hell of a tumbleweed, 'eh? It has sparked some conversation. *winks*

 

[Adrianas]

I consider myself a pvper and a pk. I dont pk to be a **** or just for the loot. I pk because I consider it a very vital part of what makes siege siege.

It is said pvp/pking is a dieing part of siege. I disagree. I currently have 4 toons on siege. Half of which are red.
Normally when i make a kill i dont even open the corpse. If I happen to pk someone farming I will probably take the farmed items be it silver, powerscrolls, ingots, or imbue ingredients. I do this because I have need for these items.

I think the size of all the landmasses combined with the total population is what are have more bearing on the amount of pvpers. I would love to see the addition of passive reveal. Stealth has entirely to many benifits for the amount of skill invested. Its not skill that gives one the ability to escape at a high level of sucess as it is to the over powerment of the items and skill sets avalible for escaping vs the items and skill sets avalible to reveal after the sucessful hide.

I dont consider myself a prick and I dont talk a whole bunch of crap when i kill somone.

And y'know, I don't have a problem with that - I think that is part of the game. The PKs without honor will strip everything, including perhaps the only suit the player might have/can afford to have (for the newer players who are just trying to get established). If I'm out mining and get killed and my ore and gems are taken, then well, that happens. Strip me to nothin' and I tend to resent it. Highwaymen can also be honorable, in a highwayman kind of way. Some craft because they enjoy it, but many craft because it's what they need to do to get themselves established on the shard. Most here seem to understand that. The rest are, well, the rest.

 

[Tjalle]

We need more PKs, that´s for sure...

 

[Freelsy]

All you girls just wait. When Astynax returns from Afghanistan, you can bet your ass there will be blood. I'll bring my pking stick and wipe the shard with your asses.


4 months and counting

 

[kelmo]

*shrieks, runs and hides*

Good to hear from you, man. Be cool, stay safe and come home.

 

[Tjalle]

What Kelmo said...

 

[Draxous]

*chuckles* Hell of a tumbleweed, 'eh? It has sparked some conversation. *winks*

LOL


riiiiight. This place is jumping. *wink*

 

[kelmo]

LOL


riiiiight. This place is jumping. *wink*

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[OldAsTheHills]

So, you are talking here about player strategy behavior...

If you ever see me... and believe me, I am 90 % the time doing stuff that you can not be hidden, if you see me... think first about what you are doing.
Oh, alot of times I do hide and escape..

The easiest thing to do is Kill on sight strategy... most likely you will win...
you will get loot... and then...

The game is over with... you may never see me again for years...

I have learn to avoid people who do Kos strategy. I know when you play...
I will not talk to you... why should I talk to you? I will give you measure for measure indifference.

I take difficult and dangerous risks in this game... sometimes with a new guy, or some pker who has not killed me recently...apparently there is very little gain for this. I not a forgiving person in Karma terms.

Change folks or else...*fading away*

*stares*
Yahaxithonix

 

[QueenZen]

hrmm

I think we been without a dynamic that we once had here, and after those folks all left, just not the same.

Granted IMANEWBIE here only been here since 2004, but when I arrived here there was a dynamic that made this shard alive with wonder.

Like some huge triumverate or whatevers, ya had your VILE VMP vampires enmasse, ya had the White Council playin the good guys, and ya had a whole huge string of others some playin evil like some darth or yoda or a Rykus being a lich, others being pvpin pkin always busy fighting some others, be they tnt or other guilds ie the 3rd part of the BIG FIGHT of multiples good guys evil guys and the mixed bag of pvper pks of all the other guilds. We had ACTIVE player run towns now...nothing seems to res. nor build up nor maintain to keep any player run towns any more where folks would congregate or aggitate raid towns or their events to make it all lively and fun.

Slowly for whatever reasons that dynamic left the shard, it has been a LOT of players that were here...and without that dynamic interaction something is just so missing no one can quite replace nor rebirth it any more...so more folks leave be they pks pvpers pvmers, or crafters wondering whom is left to by anyone's wares at all any longer.

My husband has a saying...stick it with a fork it's done ...some things just can not be recaptured ever again.

And now we are all spread out even further too much land masses, and now water...even if folks aren't stealthin...good luck running into anyone anymore.

I don't think it is anyone's fault least not the CUSTOMERS on this shard as much as ..........we not getting and have NOT gotten any assistance from EA for diddly to help Siege lately, compared to their other customer base that get pampered even by EA and them, compared to our shard here, where it feels more and more like they are letting Siege die a slow silent painful death.

Folks get disillusioned and split give up hopin after so long waiting or hoping for attention fixes or whatever may help restore life *and death* back onto our shard all lively like it once was. It ain't happening sadly. Tolerance levels are at an all time low for putting up with anything or anyone any longer..so folks exit Siege if not UO entirely.

 

[QueenZen]

As a side note, is anyone else seeing this forum's timestamps on posts as around 60 minutes in the future?

-Skylark

Yes I just did ! Maybe Stratics forgot to FALL BACK on their clocks, or maybe we are supposed to FALL BACK on the forum in some user cp clicky linky with em, somewhere on our own ?
rolleyes:

 

[Elmer Fudd]

So, you are talking here about player strategy behavior...

If you ever see me... and believe me, I am 90 % the time doing stuff that you can not be hidden, if you see me... think first about what you are doing.
Oh, alot of times I do hide and escape..

The easiest thing to do is Kill on sight strategy... most likely you will win...
you will get loot... and then...

The game is over with... you may never see me again for years...

I have learn to avoid people who do Kos strategy. I know when you play...
I will not talk to you... why should I talk to you? I will give you measure for measure indifference.

I take difficult and dangerous risks in this game... sometimes with a new guy, or some pker who has not killed me recently...apparently there is very little gain for this. I not a forgiving person in Karma terms.

Change folks or else...*fading away*

*stares*
Yahaxithonix

Seriously? Really? .......No.........Really?

I mean come on?.....No!!!!!..............REALLY?

I heard you in general chat when Bo killed you doing despise and he offered to give you everthing back and I have personally never heard such crying and whining in my ever loving life as what i heard from you, and most of the crying I hear is because of someone being pissed they lost to a gank or lost a 3 mill gold suit or lost a pvp battle to someone they cant stand....but when someone pks or kill's "You" you act like they personally stole your 401k and restiement plan and ended your marrige along with the relationship with your kids and household pets....I mean really man.....you need to take a huge deep breath and talk to your doctor for some serious medication....this is a fricking game and its what its about....I mean..................REALLY? there are people like you actually playing this game?......I seriously mean............REALLY?


Ive talked to you before and you honestly scare me....your general outlook on this game is mind blowing....just Wow........Just wow.....I dont even know what to say when it comes to you anymore man.....just Really? thats all i can say............................

 

[Mook Chessy]

Seriously? Really? .......No.........Really?

I mean come on?.....No!!!!!..............REALLY?

I heard you in general chat when Bo killed you doing despise and he offered to give you everthing back and I have personally never heard such crying and whining in my ever loving life as what i heard from you, and most of the crying I hear is because of someone being pissed they lost to a gank or lost a 3 mill gold suit or lost a pvp battle to someone they cant stand....but when someone pks or kill's "You" you act like they personally stole your 401k and restiement plan and ended your marrige along with the relationship with your kids and household pets....I mean really man.....you need to take a huge deep breath and talk to your doctor for some serious medication....this is a fricking game and its what its about....I mean..................REALLY? there are people like you actually playing this game?......I seriously mean............REALLY?


Ive talked to you before and you honestly scare me....your general outlook on this game is mind blowing....just Wow........Just wow.....I dont even know what to say when it comes to you anymore man.....just Really? thats all i can say............................

LOL!

 

[Chardonnay]

*stares*