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'Splain Dis Lucy.....

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Connor_Graham

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I get killed.

I rez.

A talisman that is sitting in a container inside a chest that is locked down in my house is in my pack when I retrieve my stuff from my corpse.

Exactly how does this happen?
 
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There is no talisman....

Personally I blame the blackrock...it does some strange stuff.
 
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Connor_Graham

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Funny you should mention blackrock. The character this has had this happen to twice now is the only one I have that is infected....
 
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Ah HA! See?? I told you....strange things happen when one is infected....
 
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Tazar

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Happened to a guildmate of mine yesterday... only it was the herald from her front porch that appeared by her side when she resurrected. Very strange things going on lately... I blame DRACONI! lol
 
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Ohhhh maybe her Herald was lonely! Those poor things just stand there at your door day in and day out......*laughs*
 
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I see...*thinks*

So you have that rare random... talisman of quantum leaping beam me up scottie twilight zoning talisman ... I betcha you could sell that talisman for millions !
 
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Was the Talisman blessed for your character, insured by that character or personally blessed?
 
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Maybe the item you insured went back to you when you died? Similar to the insurance bug? I dunno :I
 
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Connor_Graham

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It was insured over 2 years ago, and he's died quite a few times since then...



It's also located inside a secure container, on a different server, not to mention he was inside the rift and the talisman was in Malas.
 
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Asmodai/Embryo

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possible cause of this kind of thing is the uoassist dress macro, but it all depends on whether you have a dress macro that uses the talisman i guess.

If you were in your house and pressed your dress macro, it will pull things straight out of secure bags and onto your char. You may have pulled it and not even realised until you died and noticed it in your pack?
 
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Just be clear - you're saying you insured an item (long ago), left it in your house, died and it was delivered to your backpack when you ressed?

(by any chance did you have an insured piece of blackrock that you used fighting shadowlords? Are you certain it wasn't in your pack somehow when you died?)
 
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Connor_Graham

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"but it all depends on whether you have a dress macro that uses the talisman i guess."

My dress macro does not include this particular talisman.
 
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Connor_Graham

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"Just be clear - you're saying you insured an item (long ago), left it in your house, died and it was delivered to your backpack when you ressed? "

That's exactly what's happened.....twice now.



"by any chance did you have an insured piece of blackrock that you used fighting shadowlords?"

Nope. No blackrock on this character at all.


"Are you certain it wasn't in your pack somehow when you died?"

Absolutely positive. I put it in the chest in my house just this morning. The ONLY things that were in my pack (verified by total item count by mousing over the pack before I left my house to head to the rift) was 1 runebook, 1 spellbook, 1 ethy horse, and 1 trapped box with 1 key inside. Total items when verified was 5. When I rezzed, I had 6.
 
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imported_Desolation87

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Lol, this sounds abit... Unreal.

Are you sure it wasn't a totem of the void dropping in your bag, after killing a ml monster while dead? E.g. eves, or poison doing damge.
 
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I get killed.

I rez.

A talisman that is sitting in a container inside a chest that is locked down in my house is in my pack when I retrieve my stuff from my corpse.

Exactly how does this happen?

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The talisman must have been insured by the same character that died.

There was a bit of abuse with insured items a while back. Player A would sell Player B an insured item. Immediately after the sale Player A gets himself killed then rezzed and grabs his body as fast as possible. Player A would auto loot his sold item back to himself.

Or something like similar to that anyhow. Which by the way was instant perma ban if you got caught so I would not suggest trying to duplicate that you WILL get caught every time because the other player will page on your every time.
 
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Connor_Graham

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Lol, this sounds abit... Unreal.

Are you sure it wasn't a totem of the void dropping in your bag, after killing a ml monster while dead? E.g. eves, or poison doing damge.

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Yes I'm sure. The talisman is an Inscription talisman that I use when crafting. I was also, as I said, in the rift when I died. ML marties don't drop from anything there, and besides, it wasn't a Totem of the Void.
 
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Connor_Graham

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"The talisman must have been insured by the same character that died."

I've stated that already. It was insured over 2 years ago by this character.



"Which by the way was instant perma ban if you got caught so I would not suggest trying to duplicate that you WILL get caught every time because the other player will page on your every time. "

I don't know if you're trying to insinuate anything here, but the same character that uses this talisman is the character that had the talisman appear in his pack.

....from a container, inside a container, outside the rift, on a different facet.
 
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It's also located inside a secure container, on a different server, not to mention he was inside the rift and the talisman was in Malas.

[/ QUOTE ]Bold mine. Are you are saying that this talisman was not even on the same server (i.e. Atlantic, Europa etc) that the character was on?
 
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Connor_Graham

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Different server on Pacific, not different shard. I was speaking of the physical piece of machinery at EA/Mythic.
 
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Noie

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No idea why that is happening (other than gremlins...been too long since they've been blamed.)

But...if you figure it out, that sounds like it would be pretty useful. Feel free to share the secret.
 
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Different server on Pacific, not different shard. I was speaking of the physical piece of machinery at EA/Mythic.

[/ QUOTE ]Ok, a different sub-server. Still, that is pretty weird.

I take it that the talisman was no longer in the secure container?
 
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Connor_Graham

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No, it mysteriously transported itself across time and space into my backpack.
 
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As im asked in the post. can i just say, its nothing i did and i have no idea apart from insured on the same shard
 
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No, it mysteriously transported itself across time and space into my backpack.

[/ QUOTE ]Ok, was the talisman in your backpack when you rezzed or on your corpse?

You said that the item was insured. I did some insurance testing a few weeks ago when they decided to prohibit the sale of insured items on player vendors. During the test I found that an insured item, passed from character A to character B, would remain in character B’s backpack upon death but would not automatically re-insure for character B. This demonstrates that the data record for an item contains character specific information associated with insurance.

Everything has to be somewhere so the item data would also contain location specific information like I am located on Connor’s character or I am located in a bag, the bag is located in a chest, the chest is located in a house.

When Connor’s character died some handle-stuff-on-death function would need to locate all items in Connor’s position at the moment of the unfortunate demise and relocate them to where they belong. The blessed/insured items should remain on the ghost and the rest should go to the corpse. That function would have to use both the current location and the insured/blessed status of the item. So it would seem that this handle-stuff-on-death function gets mixed up sometimes and pulls stuff to your ghost/corpse that it shouldn’t. If the talisman was on your corpse, that might also explain some reports of stuff going missing from secure containers.
 
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Connor_Graham

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"Ok, was the talisman in your backpack when you rezzed or on your corpse?"

It was there when I rezzed.
 
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"Ok, was the talisman in your backpack when you rezzed or on your corpse?"

It was there when I rezzed.

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Maybe it's because of the improvements made to insurance... super insurance... ok, 1 item would be fine but imagine if a BUNCH of your insured items from your bank and home decided to jump to your dead self! Could be bad
 
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"The talisman must have been insured by the same character that died."

I've stated that already. It was insured over 2 years ago by this character.



"Which by the way was instant perma ban if you got caught so I would not suggest trying to duplicate that you WILL get caught every time because the other player will page on your every time. "

I don't know if you're trying to insinuate anything here, but the same character that uses this talisman is the character that had the talisman appear in his pack.

....from a container, inside a container, outside the rift, on a different facet.

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No I am just stating for the record that abuse of insurance to regain an item recently sold will get you permanently banned. I do however think that they fixed the way people were doing it before.

Just saying if the item was insured by that character there is still a chance under the right circumstances that auto looting your body can drag the item into your pack. Rare as it may be it CAN happen and looks like it has in this case.

I wouldn't worry to much about it. The item remains insured and went to YOUR pack and not someone else's. Strange yes something to worry over not really.

I have seen a lot of weird things happen in this game and this is not the first or last we have seen of this one lol.
 
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It was there when I rezzed.

[/ QUOTE ]So the talisman was not on your corpse, it was in your backpack immediately after the rezz just like a normal insured item, correct?

I was thinking that an insurance bug, that would sometimes pull stuff from a secure container to your corpse, might explain the occasional report of stuff missing from secure containers if the player had died and not been able to get back to their corpse. But if the talisman was in your pack right after the razz then that theory is probably not correct. oh well...
 
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imported_Lord Kynd

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No, it mysteriously transported itself across time and space into my backpack.

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at least it didn't dupe.
 
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Connor_Graham

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"So the talisman was not on your corpse, it was in your backpack immediately after the rezz just like a normal insured item, correct?"

That's correct. I knew for an absolute fact that it wasn't on the character at the time too as I'd just placed the basket that I keep the talisman and an inscription tool in back into the secure container I store it in not 20 minutes earlier.
 
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imported_Ozymandies

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This seems to indicate that the server, rather than checking your backpack for insured items upon death, attempts to keep its own separate list of insured items currently carried.

Somehow, this second list got out of sync with the list of items in your backpack. (gasp! a bug!)

OZ
 
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