So what's up with OSI idocs?

[Blackie]

- Idoc on Sakura with 50 plat in rares showing, it goes OSI without reaching the 1st phase of "in danger" as is usual. Then it falls when it is only OSI "fairly" so it doesn't reach "in danger" +5hrs. Only a few people are around to gather the items.

- Idoc on Great Lakes, a Castle, same deal. Good stuff showing, it goes OSI with no vendor, then falls on "Grealty".

- Another castle on Great Lakes, turns OSI without a vendor when it reaches "in danger" phase. The falls after 3 hours, it never reaches the 5 hour mark where a trigger to fall is possible.

- A Keep near Xroads on Great Lakes a few days ago, turns OSI, falls randomly while fairly, without ever turning Greatly much less in danger. Also showing at least a plat in rares

- The sheer number of examples is getting ridiculous, in fact as I type this yet another has just done the same thing, on Great Lakes, north side of Luna. It did not reach the first phase of "in danger" to go OSI and is following the sham timing once again.

To put this in context, crappy idocs showing nothing great, unnamed or otherwise uninteresting do not seem to be going OSI at all, ever, lately. Of the 2-3 that I've seen turn OSI they followed the traditional timing to a T.

Why is this happening on Great Lakes more than any other shard? Why only on houses showing some good items inside? Perhaps more importantly HOW? Considering that there should be no mechanism to fall at fairly, greatly or at a non 5 hour mark of in danger, how(or who) are pulling good houses down without following the idoc + 5/10/15 hour timers?

Worth checking into, imo. The Great Lakes Luna house on the North side of town just went OSI without reaching a "phase" a moment ago, will it last until it is OSI in danger + 5 hours? I've seen this too much recently to think it will. What gives? I'm not complaining about not getting loot, it's about good places going OSI without vendors and then falling at random times without even reaching "in danger", much less "in danger +5 hrs.".

 

[JFSF]

Ive seen this as well, time and time again the last few weeks. And as you said Blackie, happening on Great Lakes more than anywhere else, and only on houses with good loot or rares showing. Id like to hear from others about this, what their seeing as well. Who,What,Why???

 

[Fridgster]

Idocs dropping randomly with no possibillty of timing it right... Sounds like a good thing. Removes the advantages scripters have. Though it's more likely they go osi so devs can check for high end dupes...

 

[Victim of Siege]

Idocs dropping randomly with no possibillty of timing it right... Sounds like a good thing. Removes the advantages scripters have. Though it's more likely they go osi so devs can check for high end dupes...

Kind of what i was thinking, with the duping and other bans recently, sounds like Mesanna has been pushing them OSI and then going through the stuff and manually dropping them when she's through.

 

[Pawain]

So now we are complaining because the scripters don't get a chance at IDOCs?

This is what many want to happen in the other thread.

 

[Victim of Siege]

So now we are complaining because the scripters don't get a chance at IDOCs?

This is what many want to happen in the other thread.

i personally am good with it happening like this, but I must confess i do enjoy a good old fashioned Siege IDOC.

 

[Blackie]

Except a scripter who is totally afk is now getting ALL the loot on these. Also, not the point.

Good idocs being taken down out of when the mechanics allow suggest something is broken or someone is benefiting. They fall late at night when there are few people on, and only the good ones are doing this.

Something's a bit off, that's all.

 

[grimiz]

Kind of what i was thinking, with the duping and other bans recently, sounds like Mesanna has been pushing them OSI and then going through the stuff and manually dropping them when she's through.

If that is really what is happening, does no one else see anything wrong with this? Not the removing dupes part - the changing game mechanics to suit the will of the producer.

Or is it another case of a corrupt staff member dropping them when their buddies have the best chance at getting the most loot?

CONSPIRACY THEORISTS GO! GO! GO!

 

[SwordofExcalibur]

Curiouser and curiouser.

 

[Kylie Kinslayer]

If it ain't broke.. mess with it until you have broken it and have it all screwed up...

then call it a "success"...

 

[SwordofExcalibur]

If that is really what is happening, does no one else see anything wrong with this? Not the removing dupes part - the changing game mechanics to suit the will of the producer.

Or is it another case of a corrupt staff member dropping them when their buddies have the best chance at getting the most loot?

CONSPIRACY THEORISTS GO! GO! GO!

 

[JFSF]

Not sure if 100 percent true or not. But Im under the impression that messana is the only one with the power to drop a house off of the normal timer .

 

[leloyon]

So now we are complaining because the scripters don't get a chance at IDOCs?

This is what many want to happen in the other thread.

Yeah I'd call this a feature! It would be wonderful if they just done away with the decay process and just let houses fall randomly. It would encourage exploration once again and there's something magical about coming up on a house that once was to find all the stuff on the ground, instead of actively checking it every 5 hours .

 

[Angleswings]

Yeah I'd call this a feature! It would be wonderful if they just done away with the decay process and just let houses fall randomly. It would encourage exploration once again and there's something magical about coming up on a house that once was to find all the stuff on the ground, instead of actively checking it every 5 hours .

You missing the real point again!
The only ones that will benefit of this new feature, is the AFK Bots, they will script 24/7 and they will get everything as usual.

 

[Pawain]

So now there are afk bots at all locations at all times.

Odd how the OP says few were at them and no mention of bots. But let's make up stuff as we advance the thread.

 

[Picus of Napa]

They should delete the content, IDOC's are nothing but a carcass waiting for vultures.

 

[Pawain]

They should delete the content, IDOC's are nothing but a carcass waiting for vultures.

You must not have played in the first few months. We started as vultures grabbing anything we could.

Snoop, Guards, death, vultures.

 

[JFSF]

The 24/7 afk boots are a real thing .It's only helping them. The OP didn't mention that because as he said that's not the point of his post. But I assure you that's exactly who is benefiting from this right now .

 

[JFSF]

So now there are afk bots at all locations at all times.

Odd how the OP says few were at them and no mention of bots. But let's make up stuff as we advance the thread.

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The 24/7 afk boots are a real thing .It's only helping them. The OP didn't mention that because as he said that's not the point of his post. But I assure you that's exactly who is benefiting from this right now .

 

[celticus]

By the way : What is "went OSI" ? Sry for the naive question..

 

[JFSF]

If a house "In Danger of Collapsing" has vendors in it at the time of collapse, it will enter a "Demolition Pending" phase and appear as being owned by OSI. This phase can last as long as it takes for all Vendor Rental Contracts to expire, plus 9 days for the vendor owners to retrieve the items from their expired vendors. During this period, the house decay status may be automatically refreshed several times to keep the house from collapsing. Once these waiting periods have passed, the house will be allowed to decay normally once it goes through its In Danger of Collapsing phase.

Houses that enter this "Demolition Pending" phase have done so after going through a normal house decay process. This is done so that players with vendors in one of these houses will not unexpectedly lose their goods due to the house owners negligence.

 

[Kylie Kinslayer]

By the way : What is "went OSI" ? Sry for the naive question..

If a house "In Danger of Collapsing" has vendors in it at the time of collapse, it will enter a "Demolition Pending" phase and appear as being owned by OSI. This phase can last as long as it takes for all Vendor Rental Contracts to expire, plus 9 days for the vendor owners to retrieve the items from their expired vendors. During this period, the house decay status may be automatically refreshed several times to keep the house from collapsing. Once these waiting periods have passed, the house will be allowed to decay normally once it goes through its In Danger of Collapsing phase.

Houses that enter this "Demolition Pending" phase have done so after going through a normal house decay process. This is done so that players with vendors in one of these houses will not unexpectedly lose their goods due to the house owners negligence.

OSI will also "own" houses of Scripters, Dupers, Cheats etc once they are banned (and during the "investigation") at times to ensure their illegal goods are not just dropped to the ground and others freely pick them up..

Usually if you see Mesanna in the house she is usually trashing the illegal/duped stuff. Once she is complete with that she drops the place outright or at times she will let it decay normally.

 

[Lieutenant Dan!]

At least they're fooling with it.
Time to shut the signs off and increase the decay time to 7 days for all the items that drop.
Scripters be damned

 

[MalagAste]

At least they're fooling with it.
Time to shut the signs off and increase the decay time to 7 days for all the items that drop.
Scripters be damned

I'm good with that as long as vendors owned by other players the player gets some sort of notice that their vendor is in danger..

 

[Blackie]

"Odd how the OP says few were at them and no mention of bots."

I'm not naming names, that sincerely isn't the point(and won't solve the problem) anyway. Here is what might be happening, assuming Mesanna is the only one capable of dropping a house out of phase(of which all of these have been falling out of any phase, as early as "fairly").

- Player: HELP, MESANNA, MY HOUSE IS FALLING HELP HELP HELP!
- Mesanna: Sorry, it's OSI and I can't restore it.
- Player: Puleeeease!!
- Mesanna: Sorry. *poof*, before she leaves she drops the house.

If a player has figured out how to force a house to go OSI they could totally be summoning Mesanna to come "help" knowing she can't or won't, but that since she's there she will drop it. If that's what's happening they only need to be calling her when nobody is around to benefit. Perhaps even Mesanna is being taken advantage of? Lets not jump to conclusions on who may be to blame, it's just completely obvious that houses are indeed randomly falling at some stage of OSI and that good idocs, on GL anyway, are all going OSI lately.

I did see Mesanna restore an OSI, which is technically no longer owned by the player, on Chesapeake(NW corner of Luna, inside edge) after having seen her tell others it was not possible to do. I have also seen an east Zento OSI go down off timer while Mesanna was there having just given a player back his soulstones. "Anything else I can do for you?" "OK, bye.... *poof* goes the house as she leaves while greatly OSI.

Anyway, no assumptions, no accusations of wrongdoing, ALL I know is that something abnormal is indeed happening with good idocs, OSI, and random out of phase fall times which the code can't be doing on it's own(so it's broken or someone else is doing it).

Hopefully Mesanna has a look, like I said the same just happened again, 3rd time this week, to the GL Luna OSI on the north side. Will it go the distance or not? Had I not brought it up I know it in my bones it would not. I even joked about it with another player saying "Oh look, it's a GL Luna idoc, it's so going OSI and will fall at a weird time"... sure enough it turned OSI while not on a trigger phase. See what happens to it.

 

[Pawain]

I am glad the producer intervenes in player problems when she can. Sometimes she can't. Some call it favoritism. I worked in a hospital long enough to notice the patients who pressed the call button over and over were annoying, but they got better care. Helping when you have time is not a conspiracy.

 

[Lord Frodo]

What is amazing is the fact that the OP was able to be at all these houses when this all happened, you must be one of the luckiest people around maybe you should take a trip to a casino and try your luck there.

 

[jack flash uk]

So now we are complaining because the scripters don't get a chance at IDOCs?

This is what many want to happen in the other thread.

The scripters are the few that get the idoc as they drop llamas cats and dogs etc for the whole time until they get the notification and attend

 

[jack flash uk]

Was an OSI in Atl with at least 15 auction safes on show. Prob a lot more. Full cycle, goes osi, falls at fairly. Scripted camped for several days. Before I logged I stopped by to see it turn greatly. Gone safes etc gone players there talking about what they got with each other. Recall off when I ask questions. How did they know it would fall ?

All nonsense

 

[Pawain]

They sit and wait. That's how you get stuff. Maybe they read the OP about these falling at random times.

So the afk scripter with multiple accounts was talking to himself about what he got?

It is common behavior to leave when a new person comes up if you have been talking in a group for a while. They don't want to repeat everything.

These scripters have interesting behaviors.

 

[Blackie]

Just going to ask that if you insist on talking about scripters you make another thread, my OP was about OSI houses and how they haven't been following the IDOC rules built into the code over the past few weeks.

As for the suggestions on how to fix IDOCS - maybe a realtor NPC standing at the bank with a moongate that takes you to any of the current idocs. Once there you can bid on the place(ie: auction safe rules) and if you win you get the plot and all it's contents. That would create a nice gold drain and eliminate scripting entirely.... but that's for another thread.

OSI houses are not all following IDOC rules, what gives?

 

[Blackie]

What is amazing is the fact that the OP was able to be at all these houses when this all happened, you must be one of the luckiest people around maybe you should take a trip to a casino and try your luck there.

I'm probably not as lucky as the ones who manage to hit up every single EM event, on every shard, with multiple toons and have 3,4,5+ of every EM item showing in their Luna house. I'll pass on the Casino, thanks.

 

[MalagAste]

Just going to ask that if you insist on talking about scripters you make another thread, my OP was about OSI houses and how they haven't been following the IDOC rules built into the code over the past few weeks.

As for the suggestions on how to fix IDOCS - maybe a realtor NPC standing at the bank with a moongate that takes you to any of the current idocs. Once there you can bid on the place(ie: auction safe rules) and if you win you get the plot and all it's contents. That would create a nice gold drain and eliminate scripting entirely.... but that's for another thread.

OSI houses are not all following IDOC rules, what gives?

No bidding then the stuff always goes to those who don't need it and already have plenty of gold and everything else they could need in game... No... absolutely not.

I think it should go to MIBs and T-Maps and other things randomly... or just a random lotto... you get a message that you have loot to pick up... and if they want to make it a gold sink so be it... They could give an in-game message you have loot to pick up go to Britain Square to get it... pay the Debt Collector the back taxes owed on your inheritance and pick it up... you have one week to collect. Then if you don't pay it goes to auction...

Hum... you know I kinda like the sound of that...

 

[Dixie chessy/legends]

osi's can drop at anytime after their initial time idoc…..I seen one go osi at the 15hr normal fall time.. I waited around a little bit and when it switched from like new to slightly it dropped.....I actually like osi's myself. there is rarely ever anyone around to loot them

 

[Laura_Gold]

1. So Mesanna has to come and look herself, there isn't an automated process to detect and delete dupes?
2. I like Smoot's idea from the other thread. Just saying.

Oh my goodness, a whole post from me without a single "pancake that om--" oops.

 

[Lady Michelle]

What is amazing is the fact that the OP was able to be at all these houses when this all happened, you must be one of the luckiest people around maybe you should take a trip to a casino and try your luck there.

On one computer using multiple accounts,and being able to open as many clients you want you can now sit at as many idocs you want without having to recall in and out.even though endless journey accounts can't place houses but are able to use them for bot looting scripting etc for a cheater you got it made.free accounts to hold loot in packs.if you have tracking track animals you will see rabbits and even rats on the tracking list are probably the cheaters because you can't see the players character names .plus they didn't bother working the ninja skill up.all they need is stealth hidden and strength to loot.

 

[Blackie]

.... aaaaaaaand the Great Lakes Luna Idoc I mentioned is down without having reached in danger of collapse. I hope you didn't plan on attending when it was time.

I'm not getting into this scripter stuff or cheater stuff, I'm just saying that OSI idocs are NOT acting normally, and wondering why.

Peace.

 

[Scribbles]

Collusion. Its freaking laughable at this point.

 

[Angleswings]

There were people camping at the Idoc for 3 days, people with packies since the 1st day that went slight, 3 days later the house was still Sworn and this morning turned FW and at noon time was gone, I was surprised with the amount of people that were actually there.

But I have to agree with @Blackie the OSI houses are acting weird lately.
But lets not ask them to fix, because for sure they will brake something and will get even worst than it is.