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[mustafa]

hi there ok i have a question here that i need to know answer off plz

where in the rules off ultima online it says u can not have untamed pets in your house with bod holing vendors in it there may well be but i need to know plz some one out there knows why im askin this i aint namin people as it has nothing to do with my chrs but a friends and also why would it be a bannible act ??

cheers

 

[Crest Lavender]

I have no idea if there is a paragraf about untamed pets - but i think there are
some rules about trapping players or luring monsters on them in Trammel. I am
not very sure but that might fall under the 'Harassment'-Rule of UO.

So the simple fact that you have an untamed Pet in a house should not be
a problem, but using it to trap and kill people in Trammel seems to be a
violation of the Trammel Ruleset.
I have no idea if there are any possible exploits with training on untamed
pets or else.

Nevertheless i would expect at least a warning or some sort of message to
stop the action before someone really would get banned, even if the purpose
was noto-killing in trammel. Given that this player havent got any warnings
because of similar actions in the past.

Bu that is just my personal opinion and view on things - GMs view might be
totally different as i had witnessed in the past.

If it happened in Felucca its a total different story i would say

 

[Leto]

Having untamed pets in your house is not against the rules. When you lock those pets up in a pen and use them for training or other gains it is against the rules.

 

[A Rev]

This is true, when you restrict an in-game creatures ability to move it becomes deemed illegal.

Much like releasing 100 ki-rins on a boat just outside fire entrance, outside of guardzone.

 

[mustafa]

yes but i forgot to say it is a keep and the pets were on roof no way up or down they were not used for traning but released on there own free will and they say it comes under illegal house deco !!!!!! madness

 

[Crest Lavender]

Hm - does that mean fighting a mob from behind the doorsteps of my house is an exploid and therefore illegal since the mob cant move towards me?

(When did they change that by the way, that evil mobs cant enter even public houses?)

Edit after reading mustafas reply:

Well - then i guess its a question of interpretation of the GM - and they are the gods to decide - but then it clearly should not be handled with a ban unless someone repeatingly ignoring the word of the GM - unfortunately there are some GMs quite quick with bans - does that mean Xena is back?

 

[mustafa]

i been hearing mobs are enterin public houses also about my post here is other parts


but doors Co owner , so none can enter
cant trap annyone , kill annyone
sins the beetles wer on the roof corners,
they couldent cast , so cant kill
and no ladder , none can get on roof

 

[A Rev]

Hm - does that mean fighting a mob from behind the doorsteps of my house is an exploid and therefore illegal since the mob cant move towards me?

Yes, Technically it is.

Much like the spell binders in New haven are so often.

The illegal deco bit probably comes when the GM asked himself..."Hmmm, how did they get up there but cant get back down??...Looks like he must have taken the ladder away to trap them"

 

[A Rev]

Mustafa you know full well you did one of either 2 things.

1) Did what i posted removed the ladder to trap them.

2) Used the E-Field Bug to Jump yourself up to the roof and then left house leaving beetle behind.

Either way...That is why its illegal...

1) Youve made a pen trapping monster movement.

2) You've exploited a bug.

 

[mustafa]

i just find it a silly reason to give anyone a ban i mean being a vet player and all giving all to ea through the years and they could not just say to him kill or remove the animals from your house please and joe black will get caught macro tamming and get a slap on the wrists the name is made up not anyone i know ingame as i said im just looking for answers as i just plod away minding am own problems but the gm got messaged about it from a player has this player not got anything better to do with his uo time ?????????

 

[mustafa]

Mustafa you know full well you did one of either 2 things.

1) Did what i posted removed the ladder to trap them.

2) Used the E-Field Bug to Jump yourself up to the roof and then left house leaving beetle behind.

Either way...That is why its illegal...

1) Youve made a pen trapping monster movement.

2) You've exploited a bug.

ah this is not me im a good boy LOL it is a friend i know

 

[mustafa]

so i can go to peoples houses that have no ladders e-feild animals up and leave them and recall out
then the owner will get ban ??

 

[Lady_Mina]

Didn't know having wild pets on your roof top is illegal...

Wich mean i could get banned for releasing one of my chicken lizard out of it's egg (on my roof)...and i also intend to use a skill (animal taming) on it...

damn lol

 

[A Rev]

so i can go to peoples houses that have no ladders e-feild animals up and leave them and recall out
then the owner will get ban ??

Technically you could i suppose yea.

Well did he get a permanent ban or a 3day ban out of interest?

You will not get a perma ban for this unless you have been repeatadly caught scripting or doing other unscrupulous things.

 

[A Rev]

Didn't know having wild pets on your roof top is illegal...

Wich mean i could get banned for releasing one of my chicken lizard out of it's egg (on my roof)...and i also intend to use a skill (animal taming) on it...

damn lol

Having the wild animal itself on your roof isn't illegal, preventing its movement of the roof [removing the ladders] is.

In effect by removing the ladders you are creating a stable/pen which is illegal.

 

[mustafa]

Technically you could i suppose yea.

Well did he get a permanent ban or a 3day ban out of interest?

You will not get a perma ban for this unless you have been repeatadly caught scripting or doing other unscrupulous things.

yeah it was only 24 hrs but still

 

[Crest Lavender]

so i can go to peoples houses that have no ladders e-feild animals up and leave them and recall out
then the owner will get ban ??

Now i am worried

Anyway - in my opinion this still doesnt justify a ban on the first occasion - GMs are human though and so their behaviour is as questionable as our all. I hope its not a perma-ban - that would seem faaaaaaaar over the top and would really do harm to a game that
hasnt really a growing number of players - GMs should be aware of the consequences of
their actions as well - but this is just theoretical from what i know from the issue so far.

If it means i am in danger of getting banned of something i 'accidentely' do against the
rules (is there a colmplete list of the rules and where can i find the one mentioning the
training issue ? - its not in the roc) the game will loose a lot of its fun and attraction to
me (and my multiple payed accounts )

And how about the training on golems with poison weap then??? And ..,. and ... and ...
seems there a lot of grey zones there!

 

[Petra Fyde]

Your official answer, before this thread totally crosses the line into discussing exploits:
Blocking

 

[Kiminality]

Hm - does that mean fighting a mob from behind the doorsteps of my house is an exploid and therefore illegal since the mob cant move towards me?

Yes, Technically it is.

Much like the spell binders in New haven are so often.

I've never agreed with the whole "it's illegal" thing.
From the beginning, there were fences around cemetaries, yet using archery to kill the spawn from outside is supposed to be illegal.

Obviously, there are related exploits and unforeseen consequences, which is why it was made illegal - many of the dungeons had safe spots, and you could basically GM archery at zero risk, the temple on Fire Isle had people teleporting into the lava pits.
But then for the skill training, how is a safe sport in a dungeon any worse than golem training?
To me, it's just one of many "we don't like you doing it, so it's illegal", jiggering the rules of the game rather than actually fixing the problem.

 

[mustafa]

Your official answer, before this thread totally crosses the line into discussing exploits:
Blocking

yeah i understand but could it not get resolved by askin them to remove and stop bannin people who make mistakes and lettin off the scripters speedhackers all the time it would be simple to say u are blocking please can u remove them but i take it that is to sensible to do

 

[mustafa]

I've never agreed with the whole "it's illegal" thing.
From the beginning, there were fences around cemetaries, yet using archery to kill the spawn from outside is supposed to be illegal.

Obviously, there are related exploits and unforeseen consequences, which is why it was made illegal - many of the dungeons had safe spots, and you could basically GM archery at zero risk, the temple on Fire Isle had people teleporting into the lava pits.
But then for the skill training, how is a safe sport in a dungeon any worse than golem training?
To me, it's just one of many "we don't like you doing it, so it's illegal", jiggering the rules of the game rather than actually fixing the problem.

:gun: yes you shot that one right away i like it when others are on same path as i am nice one and to mention golem tranin in there too

 

[Crest Lavender]

OK - thanks a lot, Petra.

This sounds indeed reasonable and i think people can avoid those exploits by
just using common sense in what they are doing

But it also gives - at least to me - the impression that the ban was a bit
unreasonable if it really just was some 'deko'-beetles on the roof. Removing
them would have done the deal i think - but as it was done now theres not
much to do about it then to 'forgive' in my opinion

 

[Lady_Mina]

This worries me because my house is set public...so anyone who does not like me...can enter my house and lock some pets in my bedroom or crafting area (large tower)....and page a gm and i'll get banned...
(since most non-humanlike pets cannot open doors)

And lets just say..i got a few people who would LOVE to see me get banned.

 

[Angel121]

This worries me because my house is set public...so anyone who does not like me...can enter my house and lock some pets in my bedroom or crafting area (large tower)....and page a gm and i'll get banned...
(since most non-humanlike pets cannot open doors)

And lets just say..i got a few people who would LOVE to see me get banned.

iirc there is a tag on the pet in the data that show's who tamed it.

If someone was intentionally doing it the house owner would not get banned but the player who tamed them.

As for them being Deco.... You can make most pet's with item's and a bit of IQ, if not ethies would do for mounts. Statues for other mob's. There are certain pet's known for training barding for optimum gains so it's in the best intrest to stay away from them.

Sorry but I call shinnanigans on this claim of innocence.

 

[Lady_Mina]

so it's illegal unless it's for showing off stabling...

Either way it's risky if you choose to use wild pets as stable deco.
Cause one GM might be fine with the idea of the wild pets being deco...but an other gm might not be and ban you for 'blocking' pets.

 

[jack flash uk]

well i guess the Dev team can pick from 3 possible offenses

1. 2 beetles and a pack of white wolves trapped on the fort corners of a keep roof and released for possible provo training, who knows? of course once the pets are released the LADDERS used to get them up there are removed it is asking for trouble
2. maybe scripting training chiv
3. using offensive language to others

i think just possibly these are the reasons said friend got a 24hr ban, am i wrong here?

lesson learnt here maybe?

of course, it would be more helpful to the good people of stratics that the WHOLE story is told and not just a ,poor me and my pet story, YOU KNOW THE RULES, did i forget to mention LADDERS here?

scripting? maybe, maybe not, offensive langauge, saved in another player journal

they had the pick of at least 2 offenses there, guess they picked the pet one


guilty as charged i feel, no grey area

so who is the moron now

politeness goes along way, and unless i am mistaken stealthing is a PUBLIC house is not illegal, or worthy of absue, nor is verbal abuse with another char, FYI i am 36 and not a child. i say to your "friend" take your punishment you criminal

i thank you

 

[jack flash uk]

just so there is NO doubt, your friend was paged on because of the abuse shown to me, the pets exploit got my attention aswell as the chiv spell spamming

checking for idocs as often do, i saw the keep was public, plus what was MOST disappointing was i knew the "friend" and did not expect the abuse

and for that matter the further abuse at WBB

Attack me, ok, lets have it, you got the ban not me

 

[jack flash uk]

Nice also to see the GM team are taking action aswell, i did not expect anything to come of it, was a nice bonus when i was informed at WBB

 

[jack flash uk]

lol, if this is not the same issue i am talking about here pls forget the whole thing

 

[mustafa]

just so there is NO doubt, your friend was paged on because of the abuse shown to me, the pets exploit got my attention aswell as the chiv spell spamming

checking for idocs as often do, i saw the keep was public, plus what was MOST disappointing was i knew the "friend" and did not expect the abuse

and for that matter the further abuse at WBB

Attack me, ok, lets have it, you got the ban not me

nope nope and friend pfft this is not me

 

[jack flash uk]

yes yr friend little miss pick*

glad its not you, then i figure you would say hello to me, if she wishes to discuss further you can pass my icq onto her

hopefully you were informed of the whole truth of this matter

 

[mustafa]

yes yr friend little miss pick*

glad its not you, then i figure you would say hello to me, if she wishes to discuss further you can pass my icq onto her

hopefully you were informed of the whole truth of this matter

im on a diffrent matter but yes i hear about your run in that has nothing to do with me im just clearing a rule

 

[jack flash uk]

good news

 

[Lady_Mina]

god if i had a penny for every miner scripter or idoc scripter i saw ingame...
i'd be filthy rich...

Pet/monster "blocking" is quite common tho..
some people use this technique 'no clear path' to train their skills.

Have seen tons of archers train their archery this way...
+ i've seen tons of people on boats training their resisting spells.

Back in the old days people would stand on that small mountain near the ophidians to gain archery and resist.


So EA needs to be clear about this rule.
What is possible and what's not...

Cause a lot of new players don't know it's illegal to stand behind the cemetary fence and shoot ghouls and wraiths from there.
(yes even i'm still shocked everytime i see a young player lol)

 

[Barian]

This worries me because my house is set public...so anyone who does not like me...can enter my house and lock some pets in my bedroom or crafting area (large tower)....and page a gm and i'll get banned...
(since most non-humanlike pets cannot open doors)

And lets just say..i got a few people who would LOVE to see me get banned.

Strangers couldn't lock your doors
(or remove ladders come to that)

 

[Crest Lavender]

well i guess the Dev team can pick from 3 possible offenses

1. 2 beetles and a pack of white wolves trapped on the fort corners of a keep roof and released for possible provo training, who knows? of course once the pets are released the LADDERS used to get them up there are removed it is asking for trouble
2. maybe scripting training chiv
3. using offensive language to others

i think just possibly these are the reasons said friend got a 24hr ban, am i wrong here?

lesson learnt here maybe?

of course, it would be more helpful to the good people of stratics that the WHOLE story is told and not just a ,poor me and my pet story, YOU KNOW THE RULES, did i forget to mention LADDERS here?

scripting? maybe, maybe not, offensive langauge, saved in another player journal

they had the pick of at least 2 offenses there, guess they picked the pet one


guilty as charged i feel, no grey area

so who is the moron now

politeness goes along way, and unless i am mistaken stealthing is a PUBLIC house is not illegal, or worthy of absue, nor is verbal abuse with another char, FYI i am 36 and not a child. i say to your "friend" take your punishment you criminal

i thank you

Well - thanks for the clarification of the whole matter - it helped me a lot and i see who
is the moron now - and let me just state that its not the guy who had pets on his roof.

Some people just make me sad

Sorry Mods - just had to get this off my chest! - Over and Out!

 

[jack flash uk]

Well - thanks for the clarification of the whole matter - it helped me a lot and i see who
is the moron now - and let me just state that its not the guy who had pets on his roof.

Some people just make me sad

Sorry Mods - just had to get this off my chest! - Over and Out!

it makes you sad that someone reports a player who is absuing game mechanics?

ok

 

[Angel121]

Personally semi on topic here,

I hate Idoc hunters :-/

They always report me for script mining because I recall mine, I recall to spot’s and then mine in the area’s I’ve had a good colour drop and then fill my beetle/pack horse and then recall home and dump it in my porch chest.

In the last 2 weeks I’ve seen a chap run in and hide near my house or summon animals\elementals\deamons\pet’s and inevitably later on I have a chat with a GM who comes in and says “Hello, do you like pirate’s?” or some such twaddle. I respond, yeah I’m still here, I’m playing, I’m sat on my keyboard.

I swear Idoc Hunters actually want people to get banned so they can loot the houses they don’t actually care about the player’s.

 

[jack flash uk]

thats sounds like bad news, well i can only speak for me and those i know, i dont lure and to be honest i was NOT going to page on the above char, i only did after he/she was abusive

sorry to hear of oyur probs though, we are not all bad

 

[Angel121]

well I have stopped crafting at the moment cos I got so pissed off with the idoc hunters. It's hard to keep faith when I get visited by a gm asking if I'm AFK when clearly I'm sat crafting item's, moving between my different ore/bod chests and crafting away...

They see a name inside a building and boom reported.

I really would like to report them for harrassment but I don't know who to report.

 

[jack flash uk]

wow its that bad?

sorry to hear that

 

[Lady_Mina]

Personally semi on topic here,

I hate Idoc hunters :-/

They always report me for script mining because I recall mine, I recall to spot’s and then mine in the area’s I’ve had a good colour drop and then fill my beetle/pack horse and then recall home and dump it in my porch chest.

In the last 2 weeks I’ve seen a chap run in and hide near my house or summon animals\elementals\deamons\pet’s and inevitably later on I have a chat with a GM who comes in and says “Hello, do you like pirate’s?” or some such twaddle. I respond, yeah I’m still here, I’m playing, I’m sat on my keyboard.

I swear Idoc Hunters actually want people to get banned so they can loot the houses they don’t actually care about the player’s.

this !


I had a guy stealthing in my house this week...it creeped my out.

I was watering my plants on my roof with my crafter.

Probably checking out the 'goods' in my house to then page me for "scripting".
Cause of the constant sound of potions being poured over my plants.

 

[Serafi]

Personally semi on topic here,

I hate Idoc hunters :-/

They always report me for script mining because I recall mine, I recall to spot’s and then mine in the area’s I’ve had a good colour drop and then fill my beetle/pack horse and then recall home and dump it in my porch chest.

In the last 2 weeks I’ve seen a chap run in and hide near my house or summon animals\elementals\deamons\pet’s and inevitably later on I have a chat with a GM who comes in and says “Hello, do you like pirate’s?” or some such twaddle. I respond, yeah I’m still here, I’m playing, I’m sat on my keyboard.

Why do you think this is an IDOC hunter? Doesn`t sound like any IDOC hunter I know, more like someone that has a beef with you and just trying to get to you. An idoc hunter wouldn`t bother hanging around at a place clearly NOT in decay, they would move on