PROVO, or REPROVO

[jack flash uk]

can a system be put into place where a monster cannot be reprovo'd or the tag chages colour so , for example doom, when the DF is throwing out alot of "helpers" we can see which has been provo'd etc? maybe allow things to be provo'd once etc?

 

[Xalan Dementia]

wouldnt think itd be hard to make it so anything thats under the spell of provocation would highlight orange like Enemy of One does. would be helpful.

 

[mustafa]

This about lady riva by anychance

 

[taglol]

This about lady riva by anychance

lol was the first thing i thought about when i saw the thread title.

but yes, please add "this creature is already under the effect of provoke" as with discord.

 

[jack flash uk]

This about lady riva by anychance

actually she told me off for doing it
at present ther eis no way of telling unless you watch what the things are doing, and with the DF after me, lich lords rotters etc revs, i dont have time to watch them closely

EOO oirange will be good, jsut so we know they are already provo'd and we know which to target next and not waste time on already provo'd monsters


so i figured there must be a way to stop it happening like disco as mentioned above

so is SHE guilty of doing it then?

funny she tells me off if this is the case

 

[taglol]

actually she told me off for doing it

so i figured there must be a way to stop it happening like disco as mentioned above

so id SHE guilty of doing it then?

funny she tells me off if this is the case

well, let's just say i stopped running doom on my bard because of her. just no fun when every rotting/lich lord i get first provoke on get stolen right after.

 

[jack flash uk]

so lets hope the devs can do something to aviod reprovo

i shall add a post in "ask the Devs who dont answer area"

 

[mustafa]

but then they will try this and put another bug in the game

 

[Merion]

I don't get it... You want to see if a mob has already been provoked by someone else? If so, the answer to your problem is to play the EC - you can see it there.

 

[mustafa]

I don't get it... You want to see if a mob has already been provoked by someone else? If so, the answer to your problem is to play the EC - you can see it there.

Why ? but i like my 2d and i aint a bard but still hate it

 

[Connor_Graham]

I don't get it... You want to see if a mob has already been provoked by someone else? If so, the answer to your problem is to play the EC - you can see it there.

Now why would you answer one problem with another problem?

 

[jack flash uk]

Now why would you answer one problem with another problem?

WOW yr brave, i am taking cover! oh with popcorn( cant find smilely)

 

[Fink]

I find being able to provoke a creature twice to be immensely helpful. I don't think you've thought this through.

Let's say creature A is something large and powerful, like your doom boss. B and C are lesser monsters.

Provoke B onto A.

Can we then provoke C onto A, as A is only a secondary target? If so..

Provoke C onto A.

A dies, B and C are both left over. What do we do with B and C? We can't provoke them again, so we have to take them out some other way. Your Provocation skill is now useless.

If you're talking about "owning" a monster, so that no second bard may interfere or claim rights, what's to stop them grabbing all the credit before you and locking you out of the whole spawn? It's the same situation as them "stealing" your provokes after you've provoked them, only you can't do anything about it now.

 

[mastodon]

i disagree as well from a bard perspective gains are hard to get as it is. provo is the bards one offensive weapon. going out on a limb but its sounds like saying a mage can only cast one EV per monster.

 

[jack flash uk]

I find being able to provoke a creature twice to be immensely helpful. I don't think you've thought this through.

Let's say creature A is something large and powerful, like your doom boss. B and C are lesser monsters.

Provoke B onto A.

Can we then provoke C onto A, as A is only a secondary target? If so..

Provoke C onto A.

A dies, B and C are both left over. What do we do with B and C? We can't provoke them again, so we have to take them out some other way. Your Provocation skill is now useless.

If you're talking about "owning" a monster, so that no second bard may interfere or claim rights, what's to stop them grabbing all the credit before you and locking you out of the whole spawn? It's the same situation as them "stealing" your provokes after you've provoked them, only you can't do anything about it now.

my motivation is not about ownership etc, with your reference if mob A dies the provo is lost anyway as its dead of course, my point is with many DF spawns, instead of 2/3 or however many provoing the same lesser mob they can share them out so all the lessers are provod and not 1 3 times etc

with ToT looting systems now i figure many more are getting "points"

i ,and peeps i talk to in doom would like to see a diff colour to the mob tag when its provo, instead of black, when its provo'd itsa is red, or some other colour so others porovo players can target the "right" lesser mob

at least then, when a new lesser is spawned there is a race to get it like the disco,honor system

otherwise you spend the duration of the DF life provo/reprovo getting yelled at, not knowing which to target, oh heal pets, heal myself, hide etc all the chaos!

lets be honest the lessers dont last long anyway, so i personally i dont think its a real hardship if they are provo'd once in their 10 sec lifespan

as a provo disco tamer when i see a tag turn "red" i can look to get another lesser mob to provo

and there is an element of "hey thats mine" in doom but i have been there 3 days and i think it would be a nice addition

at present i have encountered Riva and we spoke and it would be nice if its just us and we both are tamer provo's that when it gets messy we are not "stealing" each others provo but working together to get as many lesser provo'd in the time allowed

i have been reprovoing, not on purpose but i cannot see when its gets messy

and YES i have thought it through

 

[jack flash uk]

i disagree as well from a bard perspective gains are hard to get as it is. provo is the bards one offensive weapon. going out on a limb but its sounds like saying a mage can only cast one EV per monster.

disagree with me or fink?

i am very new to the world of provo but i thought this was a good thing to pursue

 

[jack flash uk]

Fink

i touched on it but want to make it clear here on a smaller thread

you provo mob B onto A, when A dies the provo ends? if it does not then can we add that to

so when A is dead B can be provo'd onto C

 

[Fink]

As a bard treasure hunter and general adventurer I don't find things so clear-cut with provocation. There is often no central boss that needs taking down, indeed once I had four ancient wyrms spawn with the chest. I also like the flexibility to change provoke pairings for when one dies more quickly than expected and so on.

I don't see any need to limit the function of the skill for all bards because a few Doomers can't play nicely together. You either have to learn to share or get used to competing, it's the same will all spawn. It can be frustrating when you want to co-operate and others don't, but that's not something that should drive skill changes that will impact on all.

 

[jack flash uk]

its not about whether you can play nicely, its about complete strangers working together effectively, but you have given me an idea which i will put to the provo chars in doom

thanks for your thoughts):

 

[jfkeach]

When you discord something you see sparklies.. how about different colored sparklies for provoked? Heck.. just the sparklies.. everything that is provoked displays Sparklies just like Discord does. Not the target, but the aggressor.

 

[jfkeach]

As far as trying to CLAIM one beast as belonging to a specific bard that provoked it the first time, it opens up a can of worms that I don't think that any bard would appreciate.

Mob 1, 2, & 3....
Bard 1 & 2....

Bard 1 Provokes MOb 1 onto Mob 3 then runs off screen...
Bard 2 can no longer provoke Mob 1 and is locked out, even when Bard 1 is no longer in the area.
Bard 2 Provokes Mob 2 onto Mob 3.
Mob 1 and 2 kill mob 3.
Mob 1 and 2 kill Bard 2.


The griefing possibilities are endless if you lock out bards from targets if they have already been under a bard effect. Or if you have a group of bards working together to control a mob, you can break up the flow of things.

I played a bard on Pac, pre- UOR. a 7x GM Mage Bard owned the dungeons. I lived in destard killing shadow wyrms, and loved it. The Nerf Hammer was used on barding, and it really made me hate playing for awhile. Please no more nerfs to barding, although I can understand your request to display which creature in a mob is under the effect of provocation. That is simple. I can see the need for it.

 

[killer instinct]

Must be nice to play a bard in doom.I love my bard and made him just for doom.Necro dexxors have taken over.They just back up into a corner and take the df down.My provos pretty much get dex blocked.Even my earth ele's don't work anymore.I have the most fun on my bard.I just play at other places.

 

[Lord GOD(GOD)]

I don't mind a visual aid to whats Provoked if thats what you mean but I don't think blocking repeated Provokes is right, it would negatively affect skill training and hunting, no one owns the spawn. (much as I wish we did when some Peacer kills 10+ Provokes in a fraction of the time.)

 

[jack flash uk]

yes a colour change of tag would be great, then its up to the provo if they want to "steal" but this way people will know what is what

 

[mastodon]

provo is one of the hardest skills to raise besides taming

i was disagreeing jack with the idea of making it so you could only do one provo per creature, for doom or higher end mobs i could see this, not across the board(which you know they'd try to do first). making a visual affect like disco has is a great idea.