Yea, I tried to bribe two 10s to 15 but instead the NPC turned them into colored ores. So, I can keep bribing on same BOD? IDK that. I have two full BS books but from what I have read on forums, you need like a 1/2 chars just getting BODs and like at least 10 books for same trade skill in order to make the BOD game work for you. I don't have that kind of investment. I'm just trying to make good armor for my warrior char but need PoF. Also, I hate when I loose some ore due failing on smelting, that's why I want the gloves.