Possible gold sink ideas (discussion, Classic Server)

[Derium of ls]

I would post this in the big thread, but it's about a certain topic. I know the house tax was a big NO by a landslide, but I'd still like peoples thoughts and or ideas.

hen had a great point with:
"Your gold sink idea contained no fun.

Dyeing hair and sticking dead animals on a wall were considered fun gold sinks by many people and this is why they were popular.
People don't object to the concept of goldsinks. But since this is a game these goldsinks should be fun."


And Konge had a great possible idea with:
"I'm not sure of what would work without breaking the game for a classic ruleset... maybe murder count removal via a large fine? To make a gold sink successful and viable to the player base, you need to give something back, and, idealy, something no one can make money off of."


Vampire of Baja had a good idea a long time ago with a traveling rares vendor that sold one of a kind rares at large prices.

I know we do have the cost of vendor fees, custom homes, fish tanks, taxidermy kits ect. However, on a classic server most of those gold sinks would not be there. do you think we would need more? if so what?

 

[Lord Frodo]

Are you talking about a true "Classic Server" or all these "Dream Servers" everybody wants? It took forever, back in the old days, just to get 100K gold.

Why would you need any gold sinks with a true "Classic Server"?

 

[SoulStealer A.O]

I think the games gold issues should be left exactly the way they were in the T2A era. Money wasn't "that" hard to make but it definatley wasn't easy and not too many people were extensivley rich, except for the crafters who ran their respective servers of course.

 

[dum3886]

Why does everyone say it takes forveer to make money during the pre-AOS ages bcz if u ever played during those times u would know it did not.

100k took about 2-3 hrs. not forever. All u needed was a half baked tamer and ur mix of pets i.e: frenzied/dragon/nightmares watever.

 

[Lord Frodo]

Why does everyone say it takes forveer to make money during the pre-AOS ages bcz if u ever played during those times u would know it did not.

100k took about 2-3 hrs. not forever. All u needed was a half baked tamer and ur mix of pets i.e: frenzied/dragon/nightmares watever.

OMG We are talking T2A not AoS. 100K back then was a lot of money.

 

[Ozymandies]

Well, the bounty system comes to mind. If the bounty were a sink, rather than a reward.

Stat loss based on bounty size, maybe. Or if the bounty went to a guard fund that placed blue npc guard-type critters at various locations that would fight reds, for example. Or some other penalty.

Point is the gp does not get put back into the game.

OZ

 

[Derium of ls]

farming gold back then was harder yes, but my main thought isafter a while gold will in fact start to accumulate. Vets on a server will always have more "stuff" then newer players, but when the cost of the stuff is lower, it allows for a better balance.

i just woke up, I dunno if I'm making any sense even

 

[Lord Frodo]

farming gold back then was harder yes, but my main thought isafter a while gold will in fact start to accumulate. Vets on a server will always have more "stuff" then newer players, but when the cost of the stuff is lower, it allows for a better balance.

i just woke up, I dunno if I'm making any sense even

What Vet Rewards did UO have back in T2A era? Also remember we are all talking 700 skill points no matter what your account age is. The max you could have was a 7X GM and nothing more.

Vets being on the server will have nothing to do with it. Everybody will start with basic stuff and upgrade as they kill stuff and find better equipment. After we get GM crafters then everybody will be able to upgrade to GM Armor and the few rare drops of weps/armor and with no insurance few will us this stuff in the open. GM Armor/Weps for the win.

 

[Liquid_Ape]

Are you talking about a true "Classic Server" or all these "Dream Servers" everybody wants? It took forever, back in the old days, just to get 100K gold.

Why would you need any gold sinks with a true "Classic Server"?

Ding! Exactly. Couldn't have said it better.



In addition, I'm starting to wonder a few things:


1.) How many people who want a classic server actually remember playing on a classic server?

2.) Why people who want to play on a classic server don't just go play a free shard someplace?

3.) Why are some people so threatened by a classic server?

 

[Morgana LeFay (PoV)]

I am starting to wonder why everyone can't just leave this topic in the thread that Petra let us have instead of SPAMMING the boards with countless Classic Shard threads.


GUYS!!! COME ON!! It wasn't that long ago that ANY Classic Shard thread would be locked on sight! Stop abusing a good thing and show some courtesy to the other members of Stratics.

 

[Derium of ls]

Are you talking about a true "Classic Server" or all these "Dream Servers" everybody wants? It took forever, back in the old days, just to get 100K gold.

Why would you need any gold sinks with a true "Classic Server"?

so are you against Vendor fees? paying to place a home? NPCs charging gold for items? those are all gold sinks. saying there should be NO gold sinks would be HORRIBLE

 

[Derium of ls]

I am starting to wonder why everyone can't just leave this topic in the thread that Petra let us have instead of SPAMMING the boards with countless Classic Shard threads.


GUYS!!! COME ON!! It wasn't that long ago that ANY Classic Shard thread would be locked on sight! Stop abusing a good thing and show some courtesy to the other members of Stratics.

I can't figure out how to post a poll while replying to a thread.

 

[Lord Frodo]

Ding! Exactly. Couldn't have said it better.



In addition, I'm starting to wonder a few things:

2.) Why people who want to play on a classic server don't just go play a free shard someplace?

will answer this question. Not one of those free servers are a "Classic Shard". They are all "Dream Shards" with a Fel rule set only.

 

[Viper09]

Are you talking about a true "Classic Server" or all these "Dream Servers" everybody wants? It took forever, back in the old days, just to get 100K gold.

Why would you need any gold sinks with a true "Classic Server"?

so are you against Vendor fees? paying to place a home? NPCs charging gold for items? those are all gold sinks. saying there should be NO gold sinks would be HORRIBLE

...you know what he was saying about "no gold sinks." No need to act dumb.

 

[Derium of ls]

will answer this question. Not one of those free servers are a "Classic Shard". They are all "Dream Shards" with a Fel rule set only.

classic is dream to me, as I said we are not asking for a clone.

 

[Derium of ls]

...you know what he was saying about "no gold sinks." No need to act dumb.

um, are you a moron? those ARE gold sinks... I'm not acting dumb. he said there should be NO gold sinks, yet those ARE gold sinks... that's why they are there...

how can you say there should be zero gold sinks, yet be for a few gold sinks? if you think I'm acting dumb, maybe you need to rethink what you just defended

 

[Viper09]

...you know what he was saying about "no gold sinks." No need to act dumb.

um, are you a moron? those ARE gold sinks... I'm not acting dumb. he said there should be NO gold sinks, yet those ARE gold sinks... that's why they are there...

how can you say there should be zero gold sinks, yet be for a few gold sinks? if you think I'm acting dumb, maybe you need to rethink what you just defended

Wow, and you keep at it...

Yes those are "gold sinks." They have also always been there. You seem to be over-reacting as well. No one is even asking for 0 gold sinks!

No one is saying give us everything for free, if that's how you're reading it then you are in desperate need of taking a break here. Perhaps it needs to be spelled out for you...no more additional gold sinks, or no to what you're suggesting in this thread. No need to introduce new ways to get rid of gold. No one trying to fix a gold problem that you perceive to exist in a classic shard.

If you think someone is saying give us everything for free, then yes, you are acting dumb here.

 

[Derium of ls]

Wow, and you keep at it...

Yes those are "gold sinks." They have also always been there. You seem to be over-reacting as well. No one is even asking for 0 gold sinks!

No one is saying give us everything for free, if that's how you're reading it then you are in desperate need of taking a break here. Perhaps it needs to be spelled out for you...no more additional gold sinks, or no to what you're suggesting in this thread. No need to introduce new ways to get rid of gold. No one trying to fix a gold problem that you perceive to exist in a classic shard.

If you think someone is saying give us everything for free, then yes, you are acting dumb here.

lemme post this for you...

"Why would you need any gold sinks with a true "Classic Server"?"

again?

"Why would you need any gold sinks with a true "Classic Server"?"

he said any, not the ones in place plus no additional, that I can agree with (as I did about the regs)

so how about instead of you twisting his words to fit what you want to defend and call me dumb, you either defend what he said, or reword it to fit what you want.

 

[Viper09]

Not at all. I'm just being realistic and you choose to argue semantics. Vendor fees, house placing charges, etc have always existed to the point where we don't need to see them as gold sinks...you know this but you insist on arguing it, but whatever, keep at it...

 

[Derium of ls]

Not at all. I'm just being realistic and you choose to argue semantics. Vendor fees, house placing charges, etc have always existed to the point where we don't need to see them as gold sinks...but whatever, keep at it.

so in your opinion those are not gold sinks right?

"Gold sink is an economic process by which gold, or any item that can be valued against gold, is removed."


so you're honestly trying to say that removing gold from the game in the manner of say vendor fees is not removing gold from that game? are you kidding me?


I was convinced not long ago that a classic server would need no additional gold sinks, but to say there should be no gold sinks at all is really stupid. you have to charge people for items they buy off NPCs, I think homes should have a cost to place them, and I think player vendors should charge a fee...

 

[Derium of ls]

you took the stance that there should be no gold sinks at all, then tried to reverse yourself and say "oh, well that is what they SAID but let me tell you what they meant..."

 

[Lord Frodo]

so are you against Vendor fees? paying to place a home? NPCs charging gold for items? those are all gold sinks. saying there should be NO gold sinks would be HORRIBLE

No at that is not what you are asking for in this thred. You think of all the gold in UO now and think it will be that way on a classic shard. You have no clue then, because back then there were very few if any players with 1 mill gold. I was happy if I had 5K gold. That happened after Tram came in and you could spend days down in a dungeon without getting killed by a PK. And it still took you a long time to get the gold because monsters were tougher back then and took longer to kill.

 

[Derium of ls]

No at that is not what you are asking for in this thred. You think of all the gold in UO now and think it will be that way on a classic shard. You have no clue then, because back then there were very few if any players with 1 mill gold. I was happy if I had 5K gold. That happened after Tram came in and you could spend days down in a dungeon without getting killed by a PK. And it still took you a long time to get the gold because monsters were tougher back then and took longer to kill.

there was plenty with gold, yes it was most likely from duping, but i was my richest back in early 2000 with around 45ish mil gold, and it was selling (according to my paypal) for around $75 per mil. I was getting more than $150 per mil in late 98. I understand that the gold was most likely "dirty" but being a trader back then was the best money ever, I also did real estate with a few people and that turned over a ton of gold fast.

but my thought was just to kick around ideas of more gold sinks, but if you tell me you want no gold sinks, then I'll assume you mean you want NO gold sinks, not "no additional" gold sinks. sorry if I took you at your word...

 

[Viper09]

you took the stance that there should be no gold sinks at all, then tried to reverse yourself and say "oh, well that is what they SAID but let me tell you what they meant..."

I did not side that and you know I didn't. Nowhere did I say no gold sinks I even elaborated that for you prior. No one said "no gold sinks at all" you just assumed it and chose to argue over semantics to defend your assumption.

 

[Lord Frodo]

there was plenty with gold, yes it was most likely from duping, but i was my richest back in early 2000 with around 45ish mil gold, and it was selling (according to my paypal) for around $75 per mil. I was getting more than $150 per mil in late 98. I understand that the gold was most likely "dirty" but being a trader back then was the best money ever, I also did real estate with a few people and that turned over a ton of gold fast.

but my thought was just to kick around ideas of more gold sinks, but if you tell me you want no gold sinks, then I'll assume you mean you want NO gold sinks, not "no additional" gold sinks. sorry if I took you at your word...

So let me get this straight. Pre Tram you had 45mill, is that right? I just want to make sure I have your figures right.

 

[Derium of ls]

So let me get this straight. Pre Tram you had 45mill, is that right? I just want to make sure I have your figures right.

no it wasn't pre tram, it was before house placement, not exactly sure when that was to be honest.

 

[Derium of ls]

but I am going to try and let this thread die though, but I'll be more than happy if either one of you want to ICQ me or PM me and we can continue there.