Poll and discussion : VvV arties on Siege

[Drakelord]

Poll and discussion : VvV arties on Siege

Poll and discussion : VvV arties on Siege
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I am not sure if the Poll is still active, looks close to me, but there was a run of Bandits there posing as members of other guilds and such all voting yes for said VvV items. If you against VvV items on Siege let your voices be heard there! Do not let these Bandits get away with this railroading of this request there at the UO.com Forums.

 

[Baby Doll]

*winks at Lord Drakelord*


BOOOOOO, VOTE YES WE ARE THE COOLEST OF ANY SHARD< SO HELLZ YA WE WANT IT ALL!

 

[Max Blackoak]

interesting that everyone in favor of VvV artifacts automatically is a "bandit"...

 

[Blind Otto]

I am still very much on the fence. Siege has never been "the safe shard", nor should it ever be so.
I have always felt that guard zones should leave Siege, and have never called for a guard in all the time I've been on Siege.
If VvV adds to the "attackable anywhere" approach, then good for it. What would people say if VvV membership was on by default?
But, on the other hand, I can see how the current setup gets in the way. It can be very hard to tell if you are orange, especially when you're blind.
*ducks bombardment of flying debris from all sides*

 

[Victim of Siege]

Poll and discussion : VvV arties on Siege

Poll and discussion : VvV arties on Siege
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I am not sure if the Poll is still active, looks close to me, but there was a run of Bandits there posing as members of other guilds and such all voting yes for said VvV items. If you against VvV items on Siege let your voices be heard there! Do not let these Bandits get away with this railroading of this request there at the UO.com Forums.

As an active subscription is required to vote on that Drakelord, that means that anyone who voted is an active UO customer and is therefore allowed an opinion on the matter. playing the devils advocate here, might it be that the number of people voting is people who want to come to Siege and would if there were VvV arties?

 

[Drakelord]

One day I did not know that Kimi was orange till another player came by and was orange to her. She had been traveling shopping at the mage stores for blank scrolls and reagents, rather unsetting to see you are orange and had no clue you were. Well since she in UWSP I could not resign from the guild as there were no other members around with emissary status, so I had to kill her with my archer in PAS.

We spoke of the items of VvV before and I brought to all attention that those items on Prodo shard are account bound character bound and can be blessed using the Siege blessing.



Now if they do come to Siege I hope they remove the character only to anyone allowed to wear and also BLOCK any sort or type of Blessing on these items.

 

[Victim of Siege]

One day I did not know that Kimi was orange till another player came by and was orange to her. She had been traveling shopping at the mage stores for blank scrolls and reagents, rather unsetting to see you are orange and had no clue you were. Well since she in UWSP I could not resign from the guild as there were no other members around with emissary status, so I had to kill her with my archer in PAS.

We spoke of the items of VvV before and I brought to all attention that those items on Prodo shard are account bound character bound and can be blessed using the Siege blessing.

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Now if they do come to Siege I hope they remove the character only to anyone allowed to wear and also BLOCK any sort or type of Blessing on these items.

that would require special attention and will be less likely to happen. the main purpose of the poll is to see whether they are wanted on Siege or not.

 

[Drakelord]

Just playing the " playing the devils advocate here" myself. I can only hope that my opinion concerning the VvV items is seen for what it is. I rather not see VvV items on Siege but if they do come allow all to wear and block any blessing and I be happy.

 

[Victim of Siege]

Just playing the " playing the devils advocate here" myself. I can only hope that my opinion concerning the VvV items is seen for what it is. I rather not see VvV items on Siege but if they do come allow all to wear and block any blessing and I be happy.

No hard feelings here, just making sure everyone has the opportunity to voice their opinion and has all the facts

 

[Blitzkrieg]

I think they would help out folks who are just getting started on Siege. I remember when I first got here really wishing I could get some of the VvV items to finish fleshing out my suits.

Of course after you play here for a while you begin to gather enough stuff to keep going and don’t really need them. But that is the thing, getting people to take the leap and commit. Once they are here and used to it a lot of folks find prodo shards to feel inferior.

Having VvV items would, in my opinion, absolutely help a person get started, and make it easier for everyone across the board to maintain suits. I would be happy with it as long as the items weren’t blessed and I feel they should be usable by anyone in VvV, not account bound. That way two things happen: VvV would get a boost by people farming silver points again and the VvV items would actually have some viable worth. So in conclusion, this bandit says “aye”.

-Blitz

 

[Drakelord]

<41363127>Lil Jeffy: everyone go to the new uo forums at uo.com clcik siege vote yes for VvV items on Siege.
<41363127>Lil Jeffy: Siege people are so afriad of people playing there they are making fake accts to vote no
<23163668>Rillao: first off you can only open one account since all Game accounts are linked to your master
<23163668>Rillao: and when you use ONE game account to register ther it will LINK all your game accounts there'
<23163668>Rillao: so if you try to register on another game account it will bring you to your first regietered account
<23163668>Rillao: so there no way they can register with fake accounts there'
<23163668>Rillao: since all game accounts are linked'
<23163668>Rillao: and if you do not believe me try to register with another account there'
<23163668>Rillao: my Wife wanted to have her account there but since all our game accounts are linked
<23163668>Rillao: to my master account she found she had my name there
<23163668>Rillao: now I wonder if he read that or was he a runway missle running to another chard to blast this
<23163668>Rillao: false posting
<23163668>Rillao: *shard
3806277>Zugzug: Hes already on another shard, for sure.
<23163668>Rillao: ya
<23163668>Rillao: ya my wife wanted to get on there to give her two cents and was rather upset to not be able to
<23163668>Rillao: register as another person
<23163668>Rillao: since all accounts are link you can only make one

OK here is one scared cat, rushes over to Sonoma while I am filling a spell book and shouts this false statement off. You cannot register there if you have already done so if all your game accounts are linked to your master account. If you do not believe me ask my wife she stilled pissed that she has not able to say her piece or report a bug/problem.

 

[Amber Witch]

This just happened ten minutes ago on Baja.
Why do some people feel they have to 'win' at any cost?

So tell me now, why should Dev's have faith that any poll would be close to being what the people of the shard really wants?
*shakes head*

 

[Drakelord]

you know it's the same person word for word including misspelling rushing to every shard to get people that don't know a thing about Siege to come vote

 

[Bo Bo]

Listen if you think the other side isn't doing the same thing you are wrong. It is not hard to figure out that this particular pole is a farce.
138 people voted hahahhah right there that should tell there is an issue. 138 active people on siege! (not accounts mind you, actual people) no way

 

[Amber Witch]

It is not hard to figure out that this particular pole is a farce.

Exactly.

 

[Baby Doll]

It is not hard to figure out that this particular pole is a farce.

Exactly.

haha

 

[FrejaSP]

My opinion about this are on the new UO forum. Some believe it is not me there, but they are wrong

 

[RazicGL]

I honestly can't see what all the fuss is about, either way is good for me but I am guessing that you need to be actively involved in VvV to get them? Well that pretty much rules me out but as long as they can't be blessed I can't see the issue. So the guy killing me was using arties? So what... That same guy would almost certainly have still killed me if they were using imbued gear so for me it's a moot point. I love the danger aspect of siege and if someone is ballsy enough to walk around decked out in artifacts then cudos to them. I know that any of the PK's I encounter would beat me because I am either in a Pvm char or a crafter. I fully understand that new players to the shard can struggle to gear up... That was me a month or so ago but surely you can all remember throwing weapons and armour my way? I was kitted out within about an hour of starting... Not because of artifacts but because most of the siege population want new players to stay so will help out new players. If those who enjoy PVP will get a bit more fun by having better gear then great? Would I be upset if i couldn't use the same stuff? Nah. Each to their own. It might even bring a few more people to the shard. And if I did get lucky and killed a player that had character specific gear then a but back would be on the cards so it's win win.

P.s
Just my 2 cents worth. I think you are all great whatever gear you have xxx

 

[Blind Otto]

I have been trying to put how I feel into words, and for once, no matter how I try, it does not come out right.
Perhaps that is because this is a truly complex issue. Perhaps not.
In any case, this one sentence is the best summary I have of how I feel about this matter:

This is Siege Perilous.

I believe that says it all.

 

[RazicGL]

I have been trying to put how I feel into words, and for once, no matter how I try, it does not come out right.
Perhaps that is because this is a truly complex issue. Perhaps not.
In any case, this one sentence is the best summary I have of how I feel about this matter:

This is Siege Perilous.

I believe that says it all.

It took me a full paragraph to say what you summed up in 4 words lol.

 

[Drakelord]

This is Siege Perilous.

Well, all I can say is I agree with Blind Otto and know that whatever happens is the will of the players here on SP. I feel whatever decision is made we will still have those that will say with angry “you did this to me” and I hope that they remember it is a game, have fun.

 

[Baby Doll]

“you did this to me”

WTF Drakelord, "you did this to me" why?????

 

[Tanager]

There are a lot of things about Siege that are very specifically designed to make it hard for people to get established. It is not supposed to be easy. It is designed to encourage an actual community, so that a new player must rely on that community and join it in some way unless they truly want a challenge. I'm all about community, and I will go pretty far out of my way to support any constructive aspect of it or help a new player join our community. However, at some point Darwinism kicks in. This shard has always been about quality over quantity. Siege Perilous weeds out the lazy and weak willed.

I personally choose to spend as little time on grind as possible, so I run a skill based template over item based, but that does not mean my opinion on equipment and its impact on the community is worthless. I care about this shard, and the people who call it home. I think there should be NPCs that sell to reds. I think reds should have access to the virtues system, but in a different way - an anti-virtue system. I'd be fine with abolishing guard zones. THESE are the types of imbalance issues I would like to tackle.

There are things Siege could do to entice more players, but making it easier is not something I want to see.

 

[Igg A Pie]

how is there even 149 votes in that thread?

 

[Baby Doll]

how is there even 149 votes in that thread?

lol That was my thinking too!

 

[Critical Gaming]

gimme dem arties

 

[Bo Bo]

how is there even 149 votes in that thread?

Certain guild on the shard has a lot of members, 250+. now there are only prolly about 100+ active but that is plenty of enough people right there.
And there is the biggest problem with a pole, one Guild can control the fate of the shard just by the numbers they have amassed.

 

[Baby Doll]

*haha* Bo you da man! Keep keeping on my friend!

 

[Freelsy]

Certain guild on the shard has a lot of members, 250+. now there are only prolly about 100+ active but that is plenty of enough people right there.
And there is the biggest problem with a pole, one Guild can control the fate of the shard just by the numbers they have amassed.

It is an awesome feat to grow a guild that large, but I agree, they do have the numbers. You walk across the lands and they own many of the prime locations, be it castles/keeps or unique land spots.

I have no issue with that as long as the poll is analyzed for more than just the top voted option. With how many YES votes thee are, the artifacts should be brought back. Now if it was nearly unanimously opposed, then I could see it staying the same. However, it's not. People want these artifacts.

 

[kelmo]

What?

 

[Razz]

A guild is a collection of like minded people who form a group and organize events and happenings to suit their needs and preferences.

We have a large guild because a lot of people have similar views.

A lot of people make it out to be a bad thing and demonize Gilfane for being a large guild and stand up for what we believe.

We have a lot of land because we have outlasted many of the other guilds out there and have been around for a long time. I would say we are doing something right or we wouldn't be here.

You guys may not be in the same guild but you damn sure have a voice and are just as big as Gilfane ever was/is.

My point is. If Gilfane didn't exist those people will still have the same views as they do now and they would vote the same way. So laying it at the feet of Gilfane is just BS.

And on a side note, there are a hell of a lot of other people who have similar interests and views as Gilfane. They just don't say anything about it because they don't want to be demonized like Gilfane has been.

 

[Baby Doll]

WoW after reading that I almost had a tear-drop fall! Rock on lil buddy Razz!



Peace!

 

[Sara D]

I came to Gilfane about 10 or so years ago. At that time the guild was located in Malas se of Luna, below where WUSP has their guild now. We were growing and running out of room and most of us didn't like Malas. We started looking for spots for the guild to move to and have been in that area since then. So yes we did get a good area. Anyone could have moved there. Seems like everyone then was moving close to Luna. We just chose a different area and stayed.

 

[TheDrAJ]

wow if Baby Doll's sig gets any bigger the whole stratics site might crash!

And we all know that she likes them longer and larger!

 

[FrejaSP]

I came to Gilfane about 10 or so years ago. At that time the guild was located in Malas se of Luna, below where WUSP has their guild now. We were growing and running out of room and most of us didn't like Malas. We started looking for spots for the guild to move to and have been in that area since then. So yes we did get a good area. Anyone could have moved there. Seems like everyone then was moving close to Luna. We just chose a different area and stayed.

I believe the problem most have with GIL is, the guild is like a sub community of the shard, that interact very little with the rest of the shard except for their Auction. It was very different before GIL become so large.
If GIL was 10 independent in an alliance instead of one large guild, I believe it had been better for the shard.

GIL as it is now, remind me of a church that try to control both their members and the rest of the shard, that is not healthy for the shard.
It is wrong, if votes from one guild alone are enough to make this a nay.

 

[Razz]

I believe the problem most have with GIL is, the guild is like a sub community of the shard, that interact very little with the rest of the shard except for their Auction. It was very different before GIL become so large.
If GIL was 10 independent in an alliance instead of one large guild, I believe it had been better for the shard.

GIL as it is now, remind me of a church that try to control both their members and the rest of the shard, that is not healthy for the shard.
It is wrong, if votes from one guild alone are enough to make this a nay.

Dang. You nailed it once again Freja.

After our extensive admission process we demand that every member give up all rights in and out of the game.
All members must vote, play and speak how the great leader has instructed.
Every morning and evening we log into Mumble and have our prayer with the great one.
All money, in and out of game, made by our members must go to the Gilfane bank and is given out according to loyalty level.
In keeping with such tight control on our members we have successfully been able to control Siege with an Iron Fist for years now.
People tremble with the sound of our name, cower when they see us.
Gilfane is so powerful we even have a hotline to Mesanna. We need something. BAM! DONE!


You finally broke us down Freja. You and all the other Gilfane haters were right all along. Congrats!

 

[Victim of Siege]

All members must vote, play and speak how the great leader has instructed.

Who, This guy?

 

[Baby Doll]

wow if Baby Doll's sig gets any bigger the whole stratics site might crash!

And we all know that she likes them longer and larger!

Don't we all?

If you got it flaunt it?

 

[Baby Doll]

and all the other Gilfane haters were right all along.

I knew it, ty for owning up for that, must have been hard for you. I, myself have lil more respect for ya all now!

 

[FrejaSP]

You finally broke us down Freja. You and all the other Gilfane haters were right all along. Congrats!

Hate are a big word Razz. I don't believe I hate GIL but I just feel GIL need to stop trying to control the shard. Let Siege be what it was meant to be, a place for the ones who like the game a little more wild and hard than the other shards allow.

I do not want GIL off the shard or want to destroy GIL, I have no wish for that. I only wish GIL would show the rest of the shard a little more respect and accept other play styles as a part of the shard and the game.

If GIL start to respect others right to be who they are and have their playstyle, GIL will get that respect back and not feel the rest of the shard hate GIL.

Group Hugs and love to all, also GIL

 

[Blind Otto]

Church? Where? Not us, no ma'am.
*tries to hang banner over name of building next door to Gilfane Loot House*
Temple? What temple? Now please excuse me, I need to go and polish the statue of Mithras. Razz got his sandwiches stuck to it again.

 

[Ol'Rac Nnod]

I find the intolerance on this issue to be all from the vice side, the lack of respect towards the wishes of over 50% of the voters whom choose nay. Gil is not the only guild against bringing the arties to siege. There are valid arguments to both sides, but which ever side you choose is your opinion of what you wish brought to siege. If the tides turn and the yays win the vote, I won't whine, I'll accept and respect that we all had our say. I wish vice would realize they are being intolerant of others opinion on this issue. The facts are it is absolutely fair if more than half the citizens don't want these arties introduced, then simply they don't happen.

Sincerely,
Lord Ol'Rac Nnod
Duke o' UWSP and Earl o' Britain

 

[Max Blackoak]

who's the "vice side"? are you talking about the vice alliance? the only people I saw posting about the issue from our alliance are Babydoll, Bo and Astynax.
Lack of respect? I didn't see them call people names, or say other overly disrespectful things. They voiced their opinion and pointed out that some people who were advocating not to change the status quo maybe had very selfish agendas although they claim to only want the best for "the people" of Siege. Don't try to make their opinions look less valid by calling them disrespectful.

 

[Blind Otto]

Blind Otto's Testing Methodology:

Chapter One
1. Head to TC1.
2. Set stats and skills to recently listed dexer build from Stratics Siege forums.
3. Say "Give arties"
4. Dress like a colour-blind chimpanzee
5. Join VvV
6. Wander around Fel looking for active town.
7. Charge straight at first enemy
8. Die horribly. (47 seconds)

Chapter Two
1. Get some coffee, and return to TC1.
2. Switch skills to allow crafting and imbuing.
3. Make snazzy dexer suit.
4. Wander around Fel looking for active VvV town.
5. Charge straight at first enemy. Funnily enough, the same one.
6. Die horribly. (3 seconds)
7. Make some more gear, but this time remember to switch skills back to combat.
8. Wander around Fel looking for active VvV town.
9. Charge straight at first enemy. Different one this time.
10. Die less horribly. (2 minutes, 3 seconds)

From this I can only come to one of two conclusions:
1. The second guy I fought was much worse than the first guy.
2. Imbued gear is better than artifacts.

I also learned not to rush into battle with tailoring, blacksmithy, arms lore, imbuing, and tinkering on, but I have a feeling most of you knew that already.

What did this prove? Probably nothing. I now return you to your regularly scheduled argument.

 

[Hasekura]

I dont really care that much but i believe, that this pole came at an inconvenient moment. We are just a few steps from Endless Journey and i am sure that it will bring back some casual players and some new players. Even to siege.
It could bring even more if Ultima was marketed properly. But that is a topic for another time.

We are a small community and i would go as far as to say that the game is more PVM focused and PVP did not age all that well. PK system is a good thing (i have my problems with it, but again... another topic) because it creates the difference between monstrously overpowered characters on production shards and more skill based PVM content on siege, also it drives the economy forward... But PVP... eh, i cant say it is good... Average at best. Better in group fights but everything is better in a group. I dont think it will bring many players back or that new players will be interested in it a lot...

What the artifacts most likely would do right now is disrupt the economy that already fades a bit. So I lean towards no... But we should have this conversation after EJ is released and the dust settles. Maybe i am wrong and there is a strong market for this type of PVP content. Would be nice to give new players possibility to earn good items thru what they love about the game.

 

[Hasekura]

Dang. You nailed it once again Freja.

After our extensive admission process we demand that every member give up all rights in and out of the game.
All members must vote, play and speak how the great leader has instructed.
Every morning and evening we log into Mumble and have our prayer with the great one.
All money, in and out of game, made by our members must go to the Gilfane bank and is given out according to loyalty level.
In keeping with such tight control on our members we have successfully been able to control Siege with an Iron Fist for years now.
People tremble with the sound of our name, cower when they see us.
Gilfane is so powerful we even have a hotline to Mesanna. We need something. BAM! DONE!


You finally broke us down Freja. You and all the other Gilfane haters were right all along. Congrats!

Dont forget that Hoffs owns Electronic Arts and i am best friends with Andrew Wilson.

 

[Ol'Rac Nnod]

who's the "vice side"? are you talking about the vice alliance? the only people I saw posting about the issue from our alliance are Babydoll, Bo and Astynax.
Lack of respect? I didn't see them call people names, or say other overly disrespectful things. They voiced their opinion and pointed out that some people who were advocating not to change the status quo maybe had very selfish agendas although they claim to only want the best for "the people" of Siege. Don't try to make their opinions look less valid by calling them disrespectful.

That is the point. It is fine to explain your opinions and yes it is disrespectful when ya take digs at the opposition just for having different views or opinions. Those you've mentioned have made very good arguments towards their wishes, but even in your response you claim those of opposing views have "selfish agendas", and more digs than that have been said to be honest and it does detract from the useful arguments being made.
Anyway as I already stated , all I asked is if everyone can keep their arguments respectful and to respect the results of the poll whichever way it goes.

It's actually funny, I am usually claiming that vice shows the most consideration and respect over virtue groups towards diversity. Those aligned with vice will be cool with those that choose to remain neutral much more often than the virtue folks lol.

Boy does the EM know how to start battles lol... In game dropping CDs on our heads and in the forums with controversial polls .

 

[Baby Doll]

I say this whole thread is SOLELY on Lord Drakelord!