Please Help Me Explain This (Damage)

[Bort of Atlantic]

I'm using a war axe and hit 174 damage with AI as my max. 58 is my max shown weapon damage, so 174 is 3x base, which adds up to everything I know about damage. Here's the issue, though --

Fighting scorpions
Scorpion Slayer weapon (+200% damage because it's a single slayer, not a super-slayer, so I shouldn't need EoO or honor to hit the cap is my understanding)

AI was hitting for 145-160 or so. I couldn't get anywhere near 174. I tossed on Enemy of One and was able to hit 174. I toggled it back and forth a couple of times with the same results.

What am I missing here? I thought I was at the damage cap using just the slayer, but that's not the case. Thanks in advance.

 

[Klapauc]

I'm using a war axe and hit 174 damage with AI as my max. 58 is my max shown weapon damage, so 174 is 3x base, which adds up to everything I know about damage. Here's the issue, though --

Fighting scorpions
Scorpion Slayer weapon (+200% damage because it's a single slayer, not a super-slayer, so I shouldn't need EoO or honor to hit the cap is my understanding)

AI was hitting for 145-160 or so. I couldn't get anywhere near 174. I tossed on Enemy of One and was able to hit 174. I toggled it back and forth a couple of times with the same results.

What am I missing here? I thought I was at the damage cap using just the slayer, but that's not the case. Thanks in advance.

You miss the fact that ai does only 90% of damage. Somehow eoo or honor are needed to get back to 100% for armor ignores. But for crits or damage against a zero resist you get cap without.

 

[Bort of Atlantic]

You miss the fact that ai does only 90% of damage. Somehow eoo or honor are needed to get back to 100% for armor ignores. But for crits or damage against a zero resist you get cap without.

Ah, good call. I was thinking AI would hit 100% damage in PvM flat-out due to my 174 cap (as opposed to what appears to be just a subtraction of damage that can be mitigated via an addition).

 

[semmerset]

Fighting scorpions
Scorpion Slayer weapon (+200% damage because it's a single slayer, not a super-slayer, so I shouldn't need EoO or honor to hit the cap is my understanding)

Scorpion slayer is single slayer,so damage is 300%.
Not need honor and EoO.

 

[Bort of Atlantic]

Scorpion slayer is single slayer,so damage is 300%.
Not need honor and EoO.

If you use armor ignore, it appears you need honor or EoO...

 

[semmerset]

If you use armor ignore, it appears you need honor or EoO...

I use armor igonore.
The amount of damages is the same,but I use honor for HP,mana,stamina regant.

I cannot feel a difference for miasma.
Although I tried, this difference thought the error. hehe
If it is a difference of this level, I do not use honor or EoO.

 

[Nyses]

Fighting scorpions
Scorpion Slayer weapon (+200% damage because it's a single slayer, not a super-slayer, so I shouldn't need EoO or honor to hit the cap is my understanding)

Scorpion slayer is single slayer,so damage is 300%.
Not need honor and EoO.

Actually Bort, the Scorpion slayer provides a 150% damage increase, vs. 100% from a super slayer, so you are not capped, you will need EoO or Honor to max out.

 

[Klapauc]

Actually Bort, the Scorpion slayer provides a 150% damage increase, vs. 100% from a super slayer, so you are not capped, you will need EoO or Honor to max out.

Super slayer is double damage, single slayer is triple damage. 3x damage is cap per definition, except for ai.

 

[Nyses]

Super slayer is double damage, single slayer is triple damage. 3x damage is cap per definition, except for ai.

A single slayer will not get you to the 300% damage cap all by itself. Go test it and let me know how it goes.

 

[Klapauc]

A single slayer will not get you to the 300% damage cap all by itself. Go test it and let me know how it goes.

Short test. Leafblade, no anat, dragon slayer. Base damage displayed in stat window is 42-49. Damage cap is 42-49 x 3, thats 126-147.
Armor ignores is 90% of that, so 113.4 -132.3 .

Results from a short test against dragons at valor spawn. No honor or eoo used.
Crit damage was 126 - 147.
Ai damage was 113 - 132.

You see, damage cap except for ai, exactly as i did wrote.

 

[Nyses]

My bad, I re-read the original question. Supers do 300% damage, but I was trying to address how to get max damage without relying on Crit hits or AI. I usually don't count on those.

 

[CorwinXX]

Crit damage was 126 - 147.

Is crit (from LS) damage affected by skill cap?

 

[Klapauc]

Is crit (from LS) damage affected by skill cap?

Bushido skill only affects chance for a crit, damage is always the same, it bypasses any resists.
At 120 Bushido chance is imho 20%.

 

[CorwinXX]

If I have 50-50 displayed damage and do 150 damage to a monster with 0% resist (using minor slayer) will I do 300 damage with a critical?

 

[Klapauc]

If I have 50-50 displayed damage and do 150 damage to a monster with 0% resist (using minor slayer) will I do 300 damage with a critical?

Maximum damage you can do without lumberjacking is 3x what is displayed in your stat window.
So for your example, a crit would still hit for 150 damage.

 

[Bort of Atlantic]

If I have 50-50 displayed damage and do 150 damage to a monster with 0% resist (using minor slayer) will I do 300 damage with a critical?

Critical hits (and armor ignore) bypass resists. They don't add damage per se, but they do let you get to your max damage if that makes sense.

 

[CorwinXX]

Thank you.

I have another question.

How much damage "50% Hit Lightning" mode on a weapon does?
Is it multiplied by EoO/Slayer/ect bonuses?
How does it inerract with Enchant (Misticism)?

The same questions about Immolating Weapon (Spellweaving).