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I think the point I was trying to make in the Siege forum was the question should just be a flat "should VvV artifacts be added to Siege"
Leave off the extra caveats until a consensus is reached. However, I guess we can work with what we have.
I think the point I was trying to make in the Siege forum was the question should just be a flat "should VvV artifacts be added to Siege"
Leave off the extra caveats until a consensus is reached. However, I guess we can work with what we have.
This poll is useless because the OP is assuming that every Siege player reads and posts on Stratics. The only way to run a poll would be if the Devs did it when you signed on to Siege and ran it for 3 months to make sure that people on vacation/work related time away from the game got their vote.
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I agree with you. I have a lot of friends that never read Stratics except when I put it in their face with, "You got to read this" icq message.
Yea, thats all im saying maybe some of the stuff @Freelsy was talking about needing. A returning player that cant find crimmy or quivers. Some things to make getting hci/dci easier. Pretty much any pvper who knows what they are doing are going to get 45/45. Me having a crimmy and another person not having doesnt make my suit godly.
By that logic you could say the focus group was useless as well because it wasnt a very good representation of the Siege "community". You also bring up a very good suggestion as well.
I was on a break from the game when this focus group was made. I did not get a say in the whole thing. But you would think if both sides of the argument would have been present you really think they would have left them out?
Sorry guys, but with Cursed, no tag, and useable by all, there's no reason not to vote for this by everyone, whether you pvp or not. I just voted for it, and there's 14 against, I would like to hear a clear definitive reason from 14 ppl why they don't like this. I fail to see where it hurts anyone. 14 crafters aren't going to be pvp'n anyway. This makes no sense to me, if that puts me in a further bad light, so be it.
I voted no - since it was not clearly worded as VvV or not VvV.
Although I have heard good arguments that it is still bad for the non VvV players.
Do I believe that if arties are implemented that this will cause many new players to flock to Siege.
No way. Sorry.
Although I have heard good arguments that it is still bad for the non VvV players.
Do I believe that if arties are implemented that this will cause many new players to flock to Siege.
No way. Sorry.
What do you mean, not clearly worded. It says VvV artifacts, and it says useable by all, what wording are you looking for that was omitted ?
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Does that mean attainable by all? Does it mean one can join VvV and gain many artifacts the leave the VvV system and still use the artifacts? Can one VvV player aquire artifacts and give them to another player or another account? Can a VvV player acquire artifacts and place them for sale on a vendor or sell the directly to other players? I have a lot of questions.
I'm sorry I was not clear about it, but that was what I did mean, useable for all VvV as well as non VvV. I know the Heavy VvV'er do not agree with that but I believe that's the only way to make enough to accept it
Yes it does mean that. Just like with the Deco items
It already says "for All" there's no reason to interpret that in any other way than to mean by all players, regardless of affiliation.
i am still debating this one, i can see that some form of the Varties may be useful, but not sure about the details. i'll think about it while working and vote this evening.
Maybe we also need to look at Cooperative Collections - UOGuide, the Ultima Online Encyclopedia, most thing is way to expensive. Clainin's Spellbook - UOGuide, the Ultima Online Encyclopedia = 800,000 point = 16,667 Frostwood or 266,667Oak or 800,000 plain wood, that's insane as items get lost easy here. Lover it 10-15 % fir all this wearable collections item.
If it was up to me I would say yes to all. This game is so item dependant now, and we lose everything when we die, you know that.
Can the devs code it like that? I hope so. Will they consider it? If a non VvVer gets attacked by a VvVer, and you manage to kill them you should be able to wear his artifacts. I am not debating that. It only makes sense to me.
Just like silver was sold for gold. No owner tag usable by all. Vendorable.
Info about Farties, I don't know if Varties are the same.
Faction Artifacts - UOGuide, the Ultima Online Encyclopedia
Faction Artifacts - UOGuide, the Ultima Online Encyclopedia
Hey have you have seen some of the recent posts that word smith everything -
For all
could mean - For All VvV players
And don't ask for me to explain myself and then when I do explain - ignore what i say if it does not agree with what you believe!
I was trying to be constructive.
Blah Blah blah.
Are you a 3 year old?
No i'm a grandpa with grandkid's.
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Stop letting your grandchildren post for you - it makes you look real dumb
I look dumb? i thought i had a point,sorry.
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Me to, 17 grandkids and 4 great grandkids
17 grand kid's and 4 great grand kid's, i will change your mistake's for you this time,don't make a habbit of it.
Will do Mister,is my homework due yet?.
Sounds like maybe you need to learn to be more mature than them.
Thank's for the tip, maybe if i was more mature in my younger year's i wouldn't be a grandpa,now,and being critise by people who think's i'm imature now.
Just because you may or may not be a grandpa does not make you mature, just old. Just so you understand we do not have to think you are immature, we already know it. Is English your second language?
By quoting im a grandpa,i wasn't implying nothing,but you were the one who said i was immature,and i agreed with you that maybe if i was more mature, i wouldn't be critise by people like you.
English is my fourth language.
I had to think hard on it. Making them lootable and usable by anyone makes it tempting to vote yes. But in the end it still bothers me that this seems like an easy button for playing only one certain way. I would much prefer a more universal solution if gearing up is a problem. Make recipes so tailors and blacksmiths can make competitive suits. Make reagents quicker to get for crafters. Better gear found from killing monsters. Then, sure, throw in VvV stuff as well as all that.
Yes the main problem is, items are balanced Item Insurance, not balanced for Siege. Some of this VvV items are gained from Britain Library and Vesper Museum without the bonus. With changing how many point to get them (drop it to be 55 or 10% of the point it is now) and add the bonus to them, Non VvV would not be forced to do VvV to have them. Also turn on Tokuno Artifacts perm on Siege and add the bonus to the ones with same name as Varties. That make sense on Siege
Simply solution!,make every boss/paragon.whatever that is worth farming for gear drop item's everytime you kill it!.
But that would be trammifying siege.
And those very questions are why I voted no. Right now it just seems like a bunch of "I want, I want, I want" with no thought for what the possible consequences down the road would be. Much like the second house, that worked out so well for the shard
Since this is for all Siege players I'll change my vote to yes
after thinking about it all day, i have decided to Vote yes. if somehow the yes votes take it then we can start discussing what we actually want to implement.
