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new bard question

Bob_the_fart_guy

Slightly Crazed
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Working on my very first bard. I have found a LOT of info on my question, but maybe i'm just not intelligent to follow some of the math that goes into it. can someone just "dumb this down" for me, and answer a quick question... is having provocation still useful if you don't have Discord also? ............ anouther way to word the same question: Can you be effective against stronger mobs (dragons, succubus, deamon, reptalons ect... ) using provocation with zero discord?
 

croy6325

Journeyman
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yes, you can certainly be useful without discord. however, the bonus' you get from having all 3 disciplines is like 22% or so. if your ideal template is tight on points, you wont miss not having discord.
 

Merus

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I believe individual skill success chance is not affected by having multiple bard skills. In other words, your chance to provoke one creature against another creature is not impacted by your peacemaking or discordance skill... it is based solely off your music & provoke skill and modified by your instrument, mastery selection and possibly the virtuoso suit.

Bard mastery songs are affected by having multiple skills... lower mana cost the more total points you have in bard skills and a bonus to the bard songs effectiveness.
 

fonsvitae

Journeyman
Fire horns too get a small damage bonus from having multiple bard skills. Not worth the skill points though imo, just mentioning for the sake of completeness.

It does have quite a big damage difference added per this calculator; also, fire horns have the unique advantage of being being area of effect (within a limited 3 tile radius).
 

Keven2002

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It does have quite a big damage difference added per this calculator; also, fire horns have the unique advantage of being being area of effect (within a limited 3 tile radius).
Yea but this is BEFORE their fire resistance is taken into consideration. Example: I have 3 outta 4 skills 120'ed and it says I would do 70-86 damage which is great considering it doesn't use mana. That said, I literally picked up one this weekend to use just for giggles and it was doing nowhere near that damage to numerous high end monsters. I think on Scalis it did 32 dmg (not usre if he was disco'ed at that point)? On some other spawn it was doing ballpark of 40 which isn't bad but that's lower end MOBs too so not great considering their resist.
 

fonsvitae

Journeyman
Yea but this is BEFORE their fire resistance is taken into consideration. Example: I have 3 outta 4 skills 120'ed and it says I would do 70-86 damage which is great considering it doesn't use mana. That said, I literally picked up one this weekend to use just for giggles and it was doing nowhere near that damage to numerous high end monsters. I think on Scalis it did 32 dmg (not usre if he was disco'ed at that point)? On some other spawn it was doing ballpark of 40 which isn't bad but that's lower end MOBs too so not great considering their resist.
Yeah. It isn't something to go toe to toe with anything worthwhile. Nor is it a steady go to as an offensive option (its cost in sulfurous ash would be offputtng enough in that context, not to mention its relative weakness). My post was not remarking that fire horns do big damage; rather, that there is a big damage difference between using one, two, or three bard skills for the resulting possible damage a fire horn may have.

As to its uses, as a quick way to get garbage off your back, it is great. It is also a decent enough AOE option for a bard w/ no other AOE skills or spells. I use it w/ my vollems: they are handy to get aggro and let the pets do the rest in spawn situations.
 
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