Need template help from you pros!

[Vortex]

Ok, I finished my throwing wammy ala Lord God. He is awesome, and perfect for soloing. Now, I have another character and I want him to be useful solo, but more importantly in group. I was working with the Mystic Dexxer that Lord God used to use but it wasnt quite what I wanted, guess I'm a distance fighter. So, that in mind, I'm thinking of a Mystic Archer. Purely PvM. Here is my thoughts:

120 Archery
120 Bushido
120 Focus
120 Mystic
90 Tactics (+30 jewels for 120 tactics)
80 SS
70 Chiv

Human. The suit is pretty much the one Lord God suggested with his Mystic Dexxer. 100% LRC, 40 LMC, 45 hci, 45 dci, 50 ep, etc. Resists end up being all 70's.

Human JOAT gets me into wraith form and will hold it. Wont use curse weapon so joat necro should be all i need? Healing will come from healing stone, cleansing winds, close wounds, pots, confidence and maybe some SS. With 80 ss, mana leech should be decent. Bow will be balanced, with hml, ssi, di and slayer. I will use enchant on the bow to allow for casting. Honor, EoO, spam AI and LS.

Stamina shouldnt be a big issue with pots and divine fury.

Primary target will be Slasher (with 2-3 others). I will be x-healing with cleansing winds, and dealing damage. His freeze should not be an issue as I keep distance from him. If he does freeze me, it will be healing stone, and spell trigger cleanings winds with hopefully good timing. Also keep an RC on him.

Should also be good for spawns (nether cyclone and RC).

Any thoughts on this template or anything I am overlooking?

 

[Macrophage]

Bushido won't really be useful for slashers since it has a huge mana pool, and with wraith form, you will be able to spam AI. I'd rather go resist instead. (It will be spamming debuffs and paralyze on you, which can be annoying).
Superslayer + EOO is capped damage.


Also, if you imbue 30 SSI, superslayer (demon is superslayer) and balanced, then you won't have many points left for something else. (You could use two bows, one w/o hit mana leech since you wont need it 99% of the fight, and the other one w/o balanced since when slashers is out of mana, you won't be hit anyway. And you just need a equiplastweapon macro to switch between your bows which is instant).

I doubt you will be crosshealing much, when Slashers freezes anyone on screen is paralyzed and only way to cross heal is with the healing skill.

100 lrc is going to hurt a lot your suit, and I don't see how you re going to make it with all the important mods ( DI will be one since you dont have anat for the bonus damage, you need it to do consistant damage, STR for the same reason, STAM to swing fast, MANA to be able to chain a few spells and use Armor Ignore in the first hand), and since you rely on casting a lot, you will want FC/FCR also.

Healing. Your ways of healing yourself are very weak. Healing stone will heal a decent amount first time then 3/4 hp. Spell trigger will probably be used only once in the fight, and heal pots are on a timer. You cant precast either cleansing winds or if you precast it you wont be able to use styles. Moreover, to cast it you must not be interrupted and to not be interrupted you ll need protection. Which will make you cast even slower... And most important of all, to cast it, you ll be disarmed unless you have spell channeling on your weapon...

So I think you need to rebuild that template. I d advise something like:
120 arch
120 resist
100 mystic
100 focus
90 tactics
80 SS
70 Chiv
40 necro (for curse weapon, provided you have some HLD cos you will need to hit to heal yourself).

 

[Obsidian]

The more I read your desired char the more it sounds to me that you want a human version of your wraith thrower. The thrower char has healing for x-healing. It doesn't use myst, but I think the 240 skill point investment is too steep if you aren't going to tank in stone form. Your suit will suffer from trying to do too much and thus ends up as a mediocre compromise between a caster and a warrior. I'm not saying it can't be done, but you will have to clearly map out your suit ahead of time. Your described play style will require more casting than Lord God's mystic dexxer.

Have you tried your thrower in a group environment?

-OBSIDIAN-

 

[Klapauc]

I may be wrong,but the suit he does describe will not be possible.Or he will end up getting a very mediocre mix of stats ,mana ,stamina and hp.
What he describes sounds like adding 5 imbuing slots for 100 lrc and 2 slots for 50 ep + 15 skill to a maxed out sampire suit. And then we still got no fc/fcr.
Sounds near impossible to me to get right, but correct me please if im wrong.

So I think you need to rebuild that template. I d advise something like:
120 arch
120 resist
100 mystic
100 focus
90 tactics
80 SS
70 Chiv
40 necro (for curse weapon, provided you have some HLD cos you will need to hit to heal yourself).

Slasher has like 150 eval int. So he will still mana drain for 70 and mana vamp for 30 against 120 resist, so it offers zero protection against that. As for the debuffs,you can compensate fine by having 50 ep and using an apple when he does his curse thing that lowers your elemental resists by 10.

100 myst / 100 focus is not worth the 200 points in high end pvm,colossus will still be weak and you fizzle alot casting rc. 115/115 on the other hand seem to work good enough to be worth the points.

And i still think,there is no way to live through his meteor shower if you dont have bandage healing.

 

[Obsidian]

Yeah, Lord G's Mystic dexxer has -1/0 FC/FCR when using an enchanted weapon. He acknowledges that the casting is slow. That's why he's not casting much in the fight other than to replace his RC.

-OBSIDIAN-

 

[Vortex]

The more I read your desired char the more it sounds to me that you want a human version of your wraith thrower. The thrower char has healing for x-healing. It doesn't use myst, but I think the 240 skill point investment is too steep if you aren't going to tank in stone form. Your suit will suffer from trying to do too much and thus ends up as a mediocre compromise between a caster and a warrior. I'm not saying it can't be done, but you will have to clearly map out your suit ahead of time. Your described play style will require more casting than Lord God's mystic dexxer.

Have you tried your thrower in a group environment?

-OBSIDIAN-

Yeah, I have the wraith thrower and I love it, but I was hoping for something with Mystic. I don't like x-healing with aids. I really like Mystic for x-healing and I like being able to use the RC to help. Truth is, I should probably just use a mystic mage as was suggested, but I really like playing a dexxer and the slasher is pretty much immune to spells.

I'm basically taking Lord God's Mystic Dexxer and using archery instead of swords and adding the ability to run as a wraith.

You've got a very good point about the casting, I wont have any fc/fcr on the suit but I thought that might be okay since I will be ranged? I could drop the EP on the ring/bracelet and put on fc i guess.

Here is the suit I have, its the same that LG was using on his Mystic Dexxer:

Faction Spirit Of The Totem: 20/10/10/10/10, 15 hci, 20 str, 15 rpd
Imbued barbed gorget: 17/19/15/16/13, 20 lrc, 8 lmc
Armor Of Fortune: 2/4/3/3/4, 40 lrc, 15 dci, 200 luck
Imbued barbed legs: 17/19/14/15/12, 20 lrc, 8 lmc
Imbued barbed sleeves: 12/18/9/17/18, 20 lrc, 8 lmc
Imbued barbed gloves: 12/11/18/18/9, 8 lmc, 8 stamina, 5 mana
Faction Primer: 20 di, 10 hci, 1 str, 2 hpr
Back: Quiver Of Infinity
Ring: 8 lmc, 8 hci, 10 dci, 25 e.p., 15 Tactics
Bracelet: 20 di, 12 hci, 10 dci, 25 e.p., 15 Tactics
Conjurer's Garb: 2 mr, 5 dci
Faction Crimson: 10 dex, 10 hp, 2 hpr
Nocturne Earrings (Night Sight)


Here are the skills I definately want on the template:
Archery 120 ( I like ranged )
Bushido 120 ( Mainly for the Ability to honor and lightening strike )
Mystic 120 (x-healing, RC, and nether cyclone at spawns)
Focus 120 (for the mystic)

I'm open to suggestion on the rest. I thought wraith form cause it will let me spam the AI but I am certainly open to ideas based on the above skills. I've been playing on Siege for the last 5 years and recently moved to LA so template building in a prodo environment is a whole new world to me.

 

[Vortex]

I may be wrong,but the suit he does describe will not be possible.Or he will end up getting a very mediocre mix of stats ,mana ,stamina and hp.
What he describes sounds like adding 5 imbuing slots for 100 lrc and 2 slots for 50 ep + 15 skill to a maxed out sampire suit. And then we still got no fc/fcr.
Sounds near impossible to me to get right, but correct me please if im wrong.




Slasher has like 150 eval int. So he will still mana drain for 70 and mana vamp for 30 against 120 resist, so it offers zero protection against that. As for the debuffs,you can compensate fine by having 50 ep and using an apple when he does his curse thing that lowers your elemental resists by 10.

100 myst / 100 focus is not worth the 200 points in high end pvm,colossus will still be weak and you fizzle alot casting rc. 115/115 on the other hand seem to work good enough to be worth the points.

And i still think,there is no way to live through his meteor shower if you dont have bandage healing.

True on the no fc/fcr. My stats without the above suit are 100/120/35 and with the suit they are: 120 hp / 125 dex / 35 mana and then add the 50 ep pots for stamina over 150. I was thinking of dropping str to 80 and making int 55. Then my stats would be 100 / 125 / 55 and then pot for more hp and dex.

You are probably right on the not surviving meteor shower without bandages. However, I have fought on my chiv archer around 30 times against slasher and never once been caught in the meteor shower. With archery range, I keep far enough back that he never catches me with a full shower.

 

[Klapauc]

Just had a look at my sampire suit and what i would need to change to add 100 lrc. Result was,its possible and with a bit reshuffling of stats and items its still be possible to get 150+ stam, +25hpi ,40 lmc and maybe 50-60 mana .
Plus 30 skill and enough di to get away with 45 on weapon, +5ssi. Also 43hci ,45dci with folded steel instead of mace&shield . But i see no room for 50 ep on jewelry because of imbuing intensity.
You could probably get 10 dci and 3fcr from nighteyes,but then no stat bonus.
Lowering dci and di a bit could give you 1fc on jewelry.
So,yes its possible to do that suit, i just need to find a char slot for that mystic melee wammy i want to build for some fun.

 

[Macrophage]

I may be wrong,but the suit he does describe will not be possible.Or he will end up getting a very mediocre mix of stats ,mana ,stamina and hp.
What he describes sounds like adding 5 imbuing slots for 100 lrc and 2 slots for 50 ep + 15 skill to a maxed out sampire suit. And then we still got no fc/fcr.
Sounds near impossible to me to get right, but correct me please if im wrong.




Slasher has like 150 eval int. So he will still mana drain for 70 and mana vamp for 30 against 120 resist, so it offers zero protection against that. As for the debuffs,you can compensate fine by having 50 ep and using an apple when he does his curse thing that lowers your elemental resists by 10.

100 myst / 100 focus is not worth the 200 points in high end pvm,colossus will still be weak and you fizzle alot casting rc. 115/115 on the other hand seem to work good enough to be worth the points.

And i still think,there is no way to live through his meteor shower if you dont have bandage healing.

You were pretty unlucky on your spawn because the Slashers I lore have 110-120 evalint... So mana drain would remove 30-40 mana at worse. I do slashers with the throwing wammy and I have absolutely no use of bushido ( I use demon slayer and spam AI ), so it's completely useless for that purpose. And it's hard to get anything from healing/anat with 120 points so Resist semt to me the best.

On the 100/100 mystic/focus I thought he wanted to cross heal (cleansing winds) with range mainly so I adjusted the original template around those skills and in order to make it actually playable. As is, he will just be farmed by slashers.

 

[Vortex]

You were pretty unlucky on your spawn because the Slashers I lore have 110-120 evalint... So mana drain would remove 30-40 mana at worse. I do slashers with the throwing wammy and I have absolutely no use of bushido ( I use demon slayer and spam AI ), so it's completely useless for that purpose. And it's hard to get anything from healing/anat with 120 points so Resist semt to me the best.

On the 100/100 mystic/focus I thought he wanted to cross heal (cleansing winds) with range mainly so I adjusted the original template around those skills and in order to make it actually playable. As is, he will just be farmed by slashers.

In general, I like the template you posted. I prefer 120 mystic/120 focus for the ability to spell trigger a cleaning winds and for the strong RC.

As far as resist instead of bushido, its a thought. What kinda of damage are you able to do on your thrower if you dont honor tho?

 

[Macrophage]

Yeah, I have the wraith thrower and I love it, but I was hoping for something with Mystic. I don't like x-healing with aids. I really like Mystic for x-healing and I like being able to use the RC to help. Truth is, I should probably just use a mystic mage as was suggested, but I really like playing a dexxer and the slasher is pretty much immune to spells.

I'm basically taking Lord God's Mystic Dexxer and using archery instead of swords and adding the ability to run as a wraith.

You've got a very good point about the casting, I wont have any fc/fcr on the suit but I thought that might be okay since I will be ranged? I could drop the EP on the ring/bracelet and put on fc i guess.

Here is the suit I have, its the same that LG was using on his Mystic Dexxer:

Faction Spirit Of The Totem: 20/10/10/10/10, 15 hci, 20 str, 15 rpd
Imbued barbed gorget: 17/19/15/16/13, 20 lrc, 8 lmc
Armor Of Fortune: 2/4/3/3/4, 40 lrc, 15 dci, 200 luck
Imbued barbed legs: 17/19/14/15/12, 20 lrc, 8 lmc
Imbued barbed sleeves: 12/18/9/17/18, 20 lrc, 8 lmc
Imbued barbed gloves: 12/11/18/18/9, 8 lmc, 8 stamina, 5 mana
Faction Primer: 20 di, 10 hci, 1 str, 2 hpr
Back: Quiver Of Infinity
Ring: 8 lmc, 8 hci, 10 dci, 25 e.p., 15 Tactics
Bracelet: 20 di, 12 hci, 10 dci, 25 e.p., 15 Tactics
Conjurer's Garb: 2 mr, 5 dci
Faction Crimson: 10 dex, 10 hp, 2 hpr
Nocturne Earrings (Night Sight)


Here are the skills I definately want on the template:
Archery 120 ( I like ranged )
Bushido 120 ( Mainly for the Ability to honor and lightening strike )
Mystic 120 (x-healing, RC, and nether cyclone at spawns)
Focus 120 (for the mystic)

I'm open to suggestion on the rest. I thought wraith form cause it will let me spam the AI but I am certainly open to ideas based on the above skills. I've been playing on Siege for the last 5 years and recently moved to LA so template building in a prodo environment is a whole new world to me.

Lord G built his mystic dexxer not to cast but be able to use stoneform and get insane resists.

If you plan on archery you ll want 90 tactics so you can use both styles and have some consistent damage. So you are left with 150 points and maybe +skill on items. The use on those points depend on what you plan on doing, spawns are really different than slasher.

 

[Vortex]

Lord G built his mystic dexxer not to cast but be able to use stoneform and get insane resists.

If you plan on archery you ll want 90 tactics so you can use both styles and have some consistent damage. So you are left with 150 points and maybe +skill on items. The use on those points depend on what you plan on doing, spawns are really different than slasher.

Good point. And I could run in stone form if I wanted, but it seems silly with archery.

120 Mystic
120 Focus
120 Archery
120 Bushido
90 Tactics (+30 on jewels)

Thats pretty certain. Its those last 150 that are killer, hehe.

I guess the key to remember is that I will be with a group. I'm not trying to solo slasher on this guy. I have another character for when I'm solo hunting. The main things we hunt are Slasher, Stygian, and spawns. I'm not worried about the spawns because they all bring tamers and I can use Nether cyclone at the lower levels and Rc at the higher ones.

So, I guess my goal is maximum damage dealt to a solo monster, especially Slasher, while casting cleansing winds to cross heal and an RC for pet damage. The character is currently:

120 Mystic
120 Focus
120 Archery
90 Tactics (+30 jewels)
100 healing
100 ana
70 Chiv

This works good, but has 2 flaws for my playstyle - not enough damage and not enough mana. My thought is Bushido instead of ana/heal because I almost never get the meteor shower. On the odd chance I do, my friends are there to rez. Running in wraith form with some points in SS helps me with mana.

 

[Macrophage]

In general, I like the template you posted. I prefer 120 mystic/120 focus for the ability to spell trigger a cleaning winds and for the strong RC.

As far as resist instead of bushido, its a thought. What kinda of damage are you able to do on your thrower if you dont honor tho?

Well, I use daemon slayer, and Enemy of One. So my damage is capped. it s around 240 on average.

 

[Klapauc]

You were pretty unlucky on your spawn because the Slashers I lore have 110-120 evalint...

No , not unlucky,but false information i had in my head.I remember reading somewhere about 150 evalint, probably when sa came out. Thats what you get when you got no tamer ...
Just checked stratics and uoguide, and both say up to 125 eval . So i was just plain wrong.
When i fight him on my throwing wammy,there comes a point where he does nothing else then mana vamp/drain and self heal orgies and im left without enough mana for ai. A lucky crit from ls helps with that to keep ai going or to do a mortal to prevent his healing. So i have a use for bushido. I must admit ,i do not fight him very often now, perhaps this has changed now.

 

[Vortex]

Well, I use daemon slayer, and Enemy of One. So my damage is capped. it s around 240 on average.

Interesting! I think I'm gonna spend some time on test. If I can get that kinda damage I will gladly go without Bushdio because honoring is a real pain in the butt.

 

[Macrophage]

No , not unlucky,but false information i had in my head.I remember reading somewhere about 150 evalint, probably when sa came out. Thats what you get when you got no tamer ...
Just checked stratics and uoguide, and both say up to 125 eval . So i was just plain wrong.
When i fight him on my throwing wammy,there comes a point where he does nothing else then mana vamp/drain and self heal orgies and im left without enough mana for ai. A lucky crit from ls helps with that to keep ai going or to do a mortal to prevent his healing. So i have a use for bushido. I must admit ,i do not fight him very often now, perhaps this has changed now.

Well, Slashers indeed uses Mana drain and vamp a lot but the thing is, that every time he does so, I am down to zero mana, and since I am a gargoyle with non medable items and no mana regen, I won't even have enough mana for Lightning Strike on the next hit, while as soon as mana drain is over or I hit again, I have enough for another Armor Ignore. This, until Slashers is out of mana which seems to not happen before he s redlined. So, I have no technical use of Bushido for Slashers.

 

[Klapauc]

Just had a second look at this suit because it did not look optimal for me,and here is what i did find.

Faction Spirit Of The Totem: 20/10/10/10/10, 15 hci, 20 str, 15 rpd
Imbued barbed gorget: 17/19/15/16/13, 20 lrc, 8 lmc
Armor Of Fortune: 2/4/3/3/4, 40 lrc, 15 dci, 200 luck
Imbued barbed legs: 17/19/14/15/12, 20 lrc, 8 lmc
Imbued barbed sleeves: 12/18/9/17/18, 20 lrc, 8 lmc
Imbued barbed gloves: 12/11/18/18/9, 8 lmc, 8 stamina, 5 mana
Faction Primer: 20 di, 10 hci, 1 str, 2 hpr
Back: Quiver Of Infinity
Ring: 8 lmc, 8 hci, 10 dci, 25 e.p., 15 Tactics
Bracelet: 20 di, 12 hci, 10 dci, 25 e.p., 15 Tactics
Conjurer's Garb: 2 mr, 5 dci
Faction Crimson: 10 dex, 10 hp, 2 hpr
Nocturne Earrings (Night Sight)

First,i had a look at damage numbers.
Comp bow with 125 str, 120 tactics, 100 di and 20 joat anat base damage is 43-56 , at cap 129-168 .
Comp bow with 125 str, 105 tactics, 100 di and 20 joat anat base damage is 42-55, at cap 126-165.

So i did trade 15 points in tactics for 3 points in crit damage.

Suit will now look like this.
Faction Spirit Of The Totem: 20/10/10/10/10, 15 hci, 20 str, 15 rpd
Conjurer's Garb: 2 mr, 5 dci
Faction Crimson: 10 dex, 10 hp, 2 hpr
Nocturne Earrings (Night Sight)
Mana phasing orb : 5 dci and 15 di, did count nothing else here
Corgul's Enchanted Sash : 5 dci, 1 si
Rangers Cloak : 5ssi
5 imbued pieces of your choice, on my sampire i used 7 imbues for resist to get all 70's ,that leaves 18 slots .
Do 5x 20 lrc , 5x 8 lmc. Now you got 8 spare slots you can use to get above 180 stam, and still more mana and hpi then you had before.
Ring : 15 hci ,15 dci , 25 ep , 10 tactics, 16 di
Bracelet : 15 hci , 15 dci, 25 ep, 5 tactics, 25 di

Meets all your requirements and gives much better stats.
You swing faster , dealing more damage then you did lose from 15 points in tactics.

 

[Vortex]

Dont have the Corguls sash yet, but I took your advice on all the other suit stuff - very nice idea.

I've got the template and suit done and thought I would give an update.

I'm not thrilled with the template (throwing wammy is way better), but I does decent with a group. I can keep the RC's going while spamming AI and throwing out the occasional cleansing winds for a guildmate.

It sometimes lacks in mana, especially after a drain - the 0 resist hurts. However, I kept Bushido because I use confidence a lot. It would be really nice to have some fc/fcr on this template but its already too tight. I guess I could give up some damage for casting and rely on other party members to make up the damage.

All in all, it works, but I think what most of you said is correct. The 240 point investment of Mystic and Focus is probably not worth it unless your tanking in stone form.

I think I may take the Mystic and Focus off and give them to my tamer