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Need some help with a templete.

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Marcus Blackwell

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Im wanting to make a fencing tempelte with posioning, hiding,and stealth but have never made a templete like this before. What is the best kind of templete out there warrior wise for these kind of skills. I want it so that he least has a good to decent shot at pvping with some success. Any help or ideas on what I need to do with this templete would be greatly appericated.
 
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Marcus Blackwell

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I may take up Ninjitsu as well if it can fit into the templete and the templete can still be effective PvP wise.
 

Omnicron

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lf ur going to have hide/stealth on a fencer for pvp might as well add ninja there for deathstrikes.
 
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Lord GOD(GOD)

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Im wanting to make a fencing tempelte with posioning, hiding,and stealth but have never made a templete like this before. What is the best kind of templete out there warrior wise for these kind of skills. I want it so that he least has a good to decent shot at pvping with some success. Any help or ideas on what I need to do with this templete would be greatly appericated.
Two things, fencing probably isn't the best weapon skill for this and if you have ninjitsu you don't need to use poisoning special as you can dp from stars/darts.

Archery with a balanced bow will let you throw stars/darts without disarming (normally you need to be one handed). Dismount dp combo then chase them down with moving shot.
Macing with a club (good clubs are hard to find) allow you to dismount shadow strike.

Regardless of that (if you still want to go with those skills) for PvP you will need 120 weapon skill, 100 hiding and 80 stealth means you won't fail stealth but you will need to make your suit medable - which is probably a good idea anyway. Ninjitsu is pretty much essential, 110 will give you 100% success at llama/ostard (mounted speed) forms. I would only go 120 if you plan on using death strike (& if your doing that you might want more stealth too).

Tactics requirement... you don't need tactics for infecting strike but you do for dismount, as fencing weapons are low base damage anyway & this is a cramped template I would have either 70 (if you can dismount with that) or 90 tactics.

Healing yourself... most people would probably put healing on there, I wouldn't, it's either slow or a waste of dex (especially if you go with fencing). On a stealth ninja you can regen hp fast while hidden, if your one handed or using a balanced bow you can use pots, you can use smoke bombs to hide while flagged. You can shadow strike your own mirror images to hide while flagged.

Chiv... 65 lets you have 100% success at sacred journey (which lets you hide before you appear at the destination), it also gives you 100% success on heal/cure/remove curse/consecrate and is still good enough for using divine/enemy of one if needed.

Learn the useful forms... Frog, anything that hits you gets poisoned (level 2 - normal poison). Serpent, anything you hit gets poisoned (level 1 - lesser poison). (both of those are good when using mirror images and bandages), Cat/Dog forms give hp regen equal to your Ninjitsu skill divided by 3 - so at 120 thats 40 hp regen (4 hp per second), if your human and equip 18 on items you can get 60 hp regen. Llama/Ostard forms give mounted speed and nothing else you succeed with these forms 100% of the time with just under 110 Ninjitsu. Wolf/Bake forms, +20 hci, +20 hp, mounted speed. Ki-rin form, mounted speed 20 stam regen. Unicorn form, mounted speed imunity to poisons 1-3 (I think), you have to be in the form before your poisoned though. It doesn't work like petals.

Mirror images... Divert melee attacks at the rate of your Ninjitsu skill - 30 (so at 120 skill it's 90% divert!)

Spellweaving... Dismount & all kill with pixies & dp ninja stars/darts on casters.

I personally always have 120 resist spells on my PvPers, people don't often expect it on stealth ninjas and waste lots of time trying to parra you. Carry a hit dispel weapon because people like to set revnants on stealthers.

4/6 casting is most definitely 4tw on any Ninja too.

Have a macro/gump for stealth, if you get omen parrad you can smoke bomb, stealth shadow jump out (if your lucky that is!)
 
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AZ-

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Nox DS's are good, but someone with cure pots negates half your template.
120 fenc
80 nox
100 heal
80 stealth
80 hide
120 ninja
90 tact
50 med
*Can't res or cure, but can chug pots for cures and use smoke bombs if he gets into trouble. Hide/stealth/ninja does 32 damage DS's, 42 if you track.

Macer ninja dexxers are also really strong, DS then start with the conc blow spam. A 30 ssi mace reaches swing cap at 120 stam, 1.5s at 90 stam.
120 mace
90 tact
120 ninja
80 stealth
80 hide
100 heal
60 chiv
70 med
*Again, can't cure or res but can use 4/6 chiv and chug pots. Pretty solid temp. Resist isn't too necessary since you can pop a smoke bomb if you start getting chain para'd. Only thing that is really effective vs. this temp is mana vamp, but again, hide and recharge mana.
 

Zeke

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Nox DS's are good, but someone with cure pots negates half your template.
120 fenc
80 nox
100 heal
80 stealth
80 hide
120 ninja
90 tact
50 med
*Can't res or cure, but can chug pots for cures and use smoke bombs if he gets into trouble. Hide/stealth/ninja does 32 damage DS's, 42 if you track.

Macer ninja dexxers are also really strong, DS then start with the conc blow spam. A 30 ssi mace reaches swing cap at 120 stam, 1.5s at 90 stam.
120 mace
90 tact
120 ninja
80 stealth
80 hide
100 heal
60 chiv
70 med
*Again, can't cure or res but can use 4/6 chiv and chug pots. Pretty solid temp. Resist isn't too necessary since you can pop a smoke bomb if you start getting chain para'd. Only thing that is really effective vs. this temp is mana vamp, but again, hide and recharge mana.

Healing w/out anat is useless and 80 Hiding is not sufficient at all, you need to GM hiding since there aren't any items with Hiding in the game.

120 Wep Skill
99 Ninjitsu (add jewels to 120)
100 Hiding
90 Healing
90 Tactics
81 Anat
60 Stealth (80 with Shad Dancer Legs)
80 Nox
720 Total

Wearing all medable armor and you will not fail to move silently with 80 Stealth).
 
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Dexdash

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i disagree with god on the fencing. a good kryss with high hit spells gives you a combo like death strike, focus attack and armor ingnore with a ninja star thrown in can be pretty deadly.
 
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Marcus Blackwell

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Thank you everyone for your replies.. Another question I have is someone recently ingame when I asked them about this suggested putting alchemy on this templete? What would be the reasoning for that?
 
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Lord GOD(GOD)

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Explosion/conflag pots and higher e.p cap. I used to have one of those, very fun template but because of the tactics requirement for specials it's no longer an option. (well not for me because I always have resist)

Oh and you can't combo death strike, focus attack and armor ignore you can only do one at a time. There was a lengthy comparrison between focus attack and armor ignore in the old proffession forums that basically said if a target has over 50 resist focus attack isn't worth doing compared to armor ignore. Something to do with the mana cost/damage, I don't think it really took in to account that focus attack is not really used for the damage.
 
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CKTC

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Id go hide stealth fencing poisoning heal anat tact, dont like the idea of not having bandies.
 
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Dexdash

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Explosion/conflag pots and higher e.p cap. I used to have one of those, very fun template but because of the tactics requirement for specials it's no longer an option. (well not for me because I always have resist)

Oh and you can't combo death strike, focus attack and armor ignore you can only do one at a time. There was a lengthy comparrison between focus attack and armor ignore in the old proffession forums that basically said if a target has over 50 resist focus attack isn't worth doing compared to armor ignore. Something to do with the mana cost/damage, I don't think it really took in to account that focus attack is not really used for the damage.
focus attack isnt for the damage it does its for making the hitspell 100% along with the hit lower attack and hit lower deffense.

not to mention the few insane double hitspell weps that give you somthing like 50 lighting and 50 fire area with focus and 120 ninja means 100% double hitspell. (although dont use anywhere near a guard zone)
 
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Sarphus

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hiding stealth and ninja?

well herding is really fun with those :)

I guess it depends on whether you want to do direct or indirect damage.
 
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Lord GOD(GOD)

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focus attack isnt for the damage it does its for making the hitspell 100% along with the hit lower attack and hit lower deffense.

not to mention the few insane double hitspell weps that give you somthing like 50 lighting and 50 fire area with focus and 120 ninja means 100% double hitspell. (although dont use anywhere near a guard zone)
I know, it's what I meant at the end where I said this:

"I don't think it really took in to account that focus attack is not really used for the damage."

Soz if that wasn't clear but the part about the comparrison with AI wasn't my opinion it was someone elses which I read. The end bit is my opinion which agrees with what you said.
 

Omnicron

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Healing w/out anat is useless and 80 Hiding is not sufficient at all, you need to GM hiding since there aren't any items with Hiding in the game.
I disagree, make sure you have cure pots and time the bandies and heals right, your golden.
 
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Dexdash

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I know, it's what I meant at the end where I said this:

"I don't think it really took in to account that focus attack is not really used for the damage."

Soz if that wasn't clear but the part about the comparrison with AI wasn't my opinion it was someone elses which I read. The end bit is my opinion which agrees with what you said.
ok we will agree to agree. (sheez try to get a rise out of a guy)
 

Draxous

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120fencing
100anat
100healing
80poisoning
120ninja
100hiding
80stealth


120swords, 100tactics, 120tactics, 120bushido, 120archery, 100resist, 100med

all on soul stones

solid template... can swap out for several diff types of assassin templates
 
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Wrathchild

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I am also trying to make one of these templates. My only concern is with all of these you have to use charges to get around I believe.

Is there any good remedy to this that wont drag the template or change it too greatly?

I have:

Ninja
Anat
Tact
Fence
Hide
Stealth
Heal
Poison
 
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