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Sampires have already been nerfed. And FYI, a tamer with a GD can solo most anything a Sampire can, as can certain Bard templates. Should we just start nerfing everything in the game until nothing is worth playing anymore?unless they nerf sampires, i don't think any other template should get a nerf. if anything, all other templates should be made stronger as well.
i know, just make a sampire. i am. i AM. but isn't it just a little silly that there is one template out there that can solo anything, while no other template comes close?
-waits for the sampire sympathizers-
An archer can solo some peerless. You might not be able to, but that doesn't mean it hasn't been done by those that can.well until an archer can solo peerless, this is a moot point.
It's hard for me to say what the best course of actions. It's that with every decrease of power we get a very large unhappy group and more UO people leave like a small cut that wont heal.I get that you'r talking about wider range of templates, but I what I don't get is what you want to be done then?
Everything should just be left like it is cause it's useless to try to find balance?
Lets just bring back 130hp criticals and FC4 mages with 50 sdi. Or maybe glacial staff specials too...
What I'm trying to say is that we can atleast get much closer to balance, and we are closer to balance now then we were when AoS was lauched or SE was launched. SA thou made PvP more unbalanced again favoring dexers (especially archers) so much,
No...its not a moot point...are you daft? This has to do with moving shot in pvp...this is not a pvm thread.well until an archer can solo peerless, this is a moot point.
You could increase the cost by 20...and it still wouldnt be worthless. Why? Archers were not designed to have endless mana...not even mages have that for the most part. :*(It's hard for me to say what the best course of actions. It's that with every decrease of power we get a very large unhappy group and more UO people leave like a small cut that wont heal.
What I really wished is that they increased power like for example if everyone had the 130hp criticals fc4mages with 50 sdi and hp incresed 200-300 average then those advantages would'nt look so hot anymore but the possitive part of it ,the illusion of balance. By balancing up will make much less people unhappy and alot more people happy even if it's just a mental thing but thats enough to maybe keep more subs on especially the PVP subs.
It's all mental,nerfs are depressing and increases are happier.
As I said there will never be balance because of the way UO is design which is a + as it makes it unique from all the other eye candy out there but at least we can have a illusion of balance and a happier illusion in increses instead of decreases.
Unfortunetely the amount of work that it takes to balance up is more than 3x the amount of work of just nerfing something so resources might not be available to do this right.
With moving shot a small increase in mana might be fine but not too much to make it worthless or not worth the effort to use it. As this is mostly a PVP skill then unless a PVM archer that uses it wants to chime in then it's mostly looking at the PVP outcome and effects.
Start a thread about it or complain to EA...but gtfo with that trolling crap.What about increasing the cost for disarm. That one is a joke all together, how does a mage with no dex disarm someone with 150 dex.
LOL...don't believe anything...and I MEAN anything... this guy says. He is neither dominant or even good on any template. He has a hard time killing a mongbat, even with his archer. Don't let him get you or anyone fired up. Check out the PvP thread on Sonoma if you want evidence of his horrible attempts to deceive. DO NOT pay any heed or take any information from this player at all. You can assuredly bet that anything he says has ulterior motives or is an outright lie. Its just the way he is. :loser:I am old school and I care about balance not nerfing archer into the ground.
Moving shot being the only powerful ranged attack (or the only ranged attack) that's usable at full running speed really shouldn't cost just 3 mana (6 to spam) especially an full running attack that's capable of dealing 35+ dmg to 70resist.
We don't want to make moving shot wothless. It simply should be on par with other specials. Again one simple fix is to make it same mana cost as mortal. This means it will only cost 9 mana to do the 1st shot and 18 after that. Also possibly making it not comsuming mana when miss or parried.
This guarrentee a reasonable spammability and its very reasonable for such a unique special that's also so powerful (mainly due to item imbue). Archers are very powerful as is, that's why people playing one (even old school pro mage players). If a player that only played mages all their life and pick up a well constructed suit and bows and set their macros in 10 minutes and can start wrecking people in pvp (even against some of the most famous great pvp mages) you know something is not right. The player skill requirement for an archer is just too low compare to their effectiveness.
Do I play an archer? Yes. Do I think archer takes little skill to play? Absoulutely. Am I going to play it after people called me archer noobs because I kill them so quick with no skill involved? Of course... whatever helps me to kill. Its simple as that.
Hmmh... I find that moving shot favors speedhackers the most. Atleast I'm getting ran down by speedhacking moving shot archers, since it's almost impossible to get out of range.As far as archery moving shot goes; Ok brighteyes, find something else that evens the playing field against speed hackers and I am on board. Until then..screw you. Running shot IS the balance...right now.![]()
Thats all this thread is about. People who are getting owned by archers. Get over it! It would not make one bit of difrence what you were being killed by you would still be comming here QQing about it. Get some Pary + DCI then you wont get hit so much!!! and you might find you survie a lot more.Hmmh... I find that moving shot favors speedhackers the most. Atleast I'm getting ran down by speedhacking moving shot archers, since it's almost impossible to get out of range.
If you are not speedhacking, and the other guy is, you get only maybe 2 moving shots fired before he's out of range, so why would the mana cost hurt the honest player?
Not really sure what gtfo means but I wasn't trolling, I have always felt that some of the special moves are way too low mana cost and disarm is one of them.Start a thread about it or complain to EA...but gtfo with that trolling crap.
Now that you know so much about our guild, you prolly know that I happen to have a scribeparrymage with high DCI. We have many of these in our guild actually.Thats all this thread is about. People who are getting owned by archers. Get over it! It would not make one bit of difrence what you were being killed by you would still be comming here QQing about it. Get some Pary + DCI then you wont get hit so much!!! and you might find you survie a lot more.
If you statement was true (thou it is not), wouldnt it just make my statement stronger? It needing tweaking so badly that I would like to nerf even my own guild?TBF this how half of your guild get there kills, with dean and others using speedhacks and moving shot..oh and the use of pets.
Thats all this thread is about. People who are getting owned by tamers. Get over it! It would not make one bit of difrence what you were being killed by you would still be comming here QQing about it.Once they remove Pets from PvP we can then look at other templates. And once your guild stop speedhacking and using moving shot then you can come here and moan about it.
Sorry for wrecking your guild on my archer kiddo. People can go look Sonoma PvP thread and see one of the hundreds of kill shot screenies I have posted. Then you will understand why this guy has such a childish hatred towards me. And Trinity (the GM of the guild Widow is in) is the one who complained about me on an archer (or my guild switching from mages to archers and killing them.)LOL...don't believe anything...and I MEAN anything... this guy says. He is neither dominant or even good on any template. He has a hard time killing a mongbat, even with his archer. Don't let him get you or anyone fired up. Check out the PvP thread on Sonoma if you want evidence of his horrible attempts to deceive. DO NOT pay any heed or take any information from this player at all. You can assuredly bet that anything he says has ulterior motives or is an outright lie. Its just the way he is. :loser:
As far as archery moving shot goes; Ok brighteyes, find something else that evens the playing field against speed hackers and I am on board. Until then..screw you. Running shot IS the balance...right now.![]()
I think you should sit down and let the adults discuss this topic. If you have an issue with this topic, then I request you respond with rebuttal to some of the issues I proposed with Archers as things stand. That is, instead of just trying to debunk someone who has SS to back up the stuff he is saying.LOL...don't believe anything...and I MEAN anything... this guy says. He is neither dominant or even good on any template. He has a hard time killing a mongbat, even with his archer. Don't let him get you or anyone fired up. Check out the PvP thread on Sonoma if you want evidence of his horrible attempts to deceive. DO NOT pay any heed or take any information from this player at all. You can assuredly bet that anything he says has ulterior motives or is an outright lie. Its just the way he is. :loser:
As far as archery moving shot goes; Ok brighteyes, find something else that evens the playing field against speed hackers and I am on board. Until then..screw you. Running shot IS the balance...right now.![]()
So my Elf archer can be disadvantaged by your human archer. Thats a selfish statement to us Elf Chars.I have 3 archers on just one of my accounts on 1 shard (straight archer, stealth archer and an archer mage). I dont mind posting screenshots if thats your whole argument that people dont reduce their own effectiveness. A lot of old school PvPers started playing these kind of template because we are superior in adapting to game changed and know what to play to kill quick easy and effective.
Btw people on my shard is complaining about me switching from a mage to archer and kill them quick with little skill. As an owner of 3 archers that I play effectively in PvP and dominating most of the time... I say "the mana cost and the effectiveness of moving shot is retardedly powerful" and "Archers overall is more powerful". And thats the sole reason i play 1 (actually 3).
15 mana base human with 120 archery gives -10 which bring the base down to 5
40lmc cuts 5 mana cost down to 3, spam it cost 6 mana. I have 100+ mana on my archer and regens 1.58 mana per sec. I can do around 80 moving shot specials before i go out of mana.
So to sum up you want to take Deans speedhack off him and eldan's pets, then madona's bow. So that would make your char the only offencive mage player left...oh wait theres Jii who uses every exploit in the book.Ohh geezh... How about you PM me with rage posts from now on and try not to derail threads? Maybe I answer you here then...
Now that you know so much about our guild, you prolly know that I happen to have a scribeparrymage with high DCI. We have many of these in our guild actually.
I'm all about good fights. I don't care if we lose, if I die, if we win or kill. Good fight is always good fight. You don't see me pancakes about dying.
What you don't seem to get is that some things in this game are just overpowered and that is why people want something to be done to them, not just cause they get killed by them.
You want back 130hp criticals? 4fc 50 SDI mages? Instakills with Glacial staffs?
People complaining about those were just people who got owned by them and would pancake about anything they die to?
Some things just need tweaking, it's not just "people who get owned crying buuhuu".
If you statement was true (thou it is not), wouldnt it just make my statement stronger? It needing tweaking so badly that I would like to nerf even my own guild?
But why ur statement is wrong is that I quess it's me and Dean who have PvP archers in our guild and I don't play mine as main, and Dean rarely plays. And that speedhack part? Geezh...
Thats all this thread is about. People who are getting owned by tamers. Get over it! It would not make one bit of difrence what you were being killed by you would still be comming here QQing about it.
Sounds familiar? First you say it's just people who get owned who pancake about any template and then you start whining about some template being overpowered? Man read your posts before you push the submit button.
And if you look at my post history, you will notice that I'm all for nerfing pets in PvP.
Now go shooting your moving shots and stop derailing. If you post here post something that makes sense, and not just some wordvomit that popped to your mouth.
It's because he is worthless, lies and can't pvp his way out of 3 ratmen. He dies so much on all his PvPers that he plays trammel for the most part. Go check out the Sonoma PvP threads and you will then discount anything coming from this player, like everyone else does.So my Elf archer can be disadvantaged by your human archer. Thats a selfish statement to us Elf Chars.
Archers use more than one bow/xbow for PVP and so many people keep knocking the archers to nerf, and you being an archer ... sorry i really dont get your motive againt archers.
Mages and tamers need to be addressed for they have more power in PVP than most Archer Templates now in game, due to the many nerfs people complain about on these pages.
...if you have undies older than me...I suggest you throw them out.Adults...LOL..I have underwear older than you child..sit the **** down. How about YOU let the intelligent and experienced people talk about crap you have no place in.
Back to the discussion. I play every single template out there, including archers. With all the exploits, speed hacking and scripts going on out there right now, a good running shot archer (easily killable with multiple templates) is the ONLY thing keeping all the other rampant crap in check, for the most part.
You all spout off about "balance" but what you REALLY want is for the Devs to make your template dominate over all others. THAT is the reality!
Leave in the nice low cost moving shot until such time as EA/ Mythic implements a packet restriction so that all players move and cast with the same speed, no matter what. I remember the times of Mages Online, and they were not fun times in UO. The current system has allowed for MUCH more diversity on the playing field.
Do I honestly think archery is a bit overpowered right now? Both yes and no. Until they finally get a handle on the other issues that made the need for the archers to come about, leave them as they are.
Are Sampires good now? They weren't a favored template a couple of years ago, when I last played. Any changes to the skills? You need to have necro to be a vamp now, correct? Bushido was kind of nerfed last I played, as well.unless they nerf sampires, i don't think any other template should get a nerf. if anything, all other templates should be made stronger as well.
i know, just make a sampire. i am. i AM. but isn't it just a little silly that there is one template out there that can solo anything, while no other template comes close?
-waits for the sampire sympathizers-
Pardon me for sharing my opinion on things. In regards to the game I always do my best to look at things as a whole, and not from a *mages* perspective. I have run nearly every template, some better than others of course...and am interested only in what works to everyones benefit...not my own.LOL..elf archer...THAT was funny.
Son, the only reason someone whines about any other template is because they have not learned how to adapt to them or, even worse, refuse to adapt to them.
None of your other points were worth wasting the time to type, so..much like you..they are ignored. The only thing avoiding you like the plague is likely the opposite sex (or whatever one you tend to gravitate towards).
You have come out in favor of nerfing another template..who is not adapting? I don't have any trouble with running shot archers coming up on me because I have the right templates, skills, gear and do not run from them. I kill them FAR more than they could ever dream of killing me. I see them for what they are..reigns on the other gimplates out there and therefore they have their rightful place until other far deeper problems are resolved.
If you really want to address the running shot archer, without doing a thing to them..increase casting to 3/6. Problem solved and we still are not back to Mages Online.
You loose again son...but you are used to that, I suppose. :loser:
I'm replying to you with PM. No point answering to that kinda bs in this thread derailing it more. Did I just say something about the wordvomit....So to sum up you want to take Deans speedhack off him and eldan's pets, then madona's bow. So that would make your char the only offencive mage player left...oh wait theres Jii who uses every exploit in the book.
Stop your QQing Europa only has about 20-30 people PvPing on it and your QQing coz half of them are using Moving shot. So 10 - 15 people are over powered on a whole server....No wonder GOD guild are PWNing your butt day in day out.
Try using your brain to think with not your feet, thats why you die so much to moving shot, not thats its over powerd. Its just you cant see the game mechanics due to your thinking with your feet.
"Adapt", the most overused excuse to have overpowered templates. When you could pre"cast" dread warhorses firebreath and people were just getting pretty much instakilled, people were saying "you need to adapt".LOL..elf archer...THAT was funny.
Son, the only reason someone whines about any other template is because they have not learned how to adapt to them or, even worse, refuse to adapt to them.
None of your other points were worth wasting the time to type, so..much like you..they are ignored. The only thing avoiding you like the plague is likely the opposite sex (or whatever one you tend to gravitate towards).
You have come out in favor of nerfing another template..who is not adapting? I don't have any trouble with running shot archers coming up on me because I have the right templates, skills, gear and do not run from them. I kill them FAR more than they could ever dream of killing me. I see them for what they are..reigns on the other gimplates out there and therefore they have their rightful place until other far deeper problems are resolved.
If you really want to address the running shot archer, without doing a thing to them..increase casting to 3/6. Problem solved and we still are not back to Mages Online.
You loose again son...but you are used to that, I suppose. :loser:
"Adapt", the most overused excuse to have overpowered templates. When you could pre"cast" dread warhorses firebreath and people were just getting pretty much instakilled, people were saying "you need to adapt".
When people had 4/6 casts they were saying "adapt".
When you could control 10+ dragons and WW:s at the same time people were saying adapt. What ever that meant... Prolly that take your own 20 pets and the one who targets all kill first wins.
When deadly poison was pretty impossible to cure it was "adapt".
Yeah, when AoS came and you needed change ur armor from plain leather to better ones it was adapting. When Imbuing came out and you needed to make new suits, atleast for PvP, that was adapting. But there being templates that force every template to some small mold is not about adapting, it's about imbalance.
You just couldnt resist the need to post here too after the PM:s?For crying out loud you’re a parry DCI mage, you’re a nightmare for any archer to kill. Lets see if you must run away: Mana vamp….run off…Parry…parry…drink a few Heal pots..Mana vamp..Parry…Parry…DCI…..drink a few heal pots
Spend more time learning to PvP than moaning on forums.
Great come back, Im not the one QQing about moving shot you are! Guess i win!You just couldnt resist the need to post here too after the PM:s?
I'm a parrymage, necromage, mysticmage, tamermage and archer. Also discordancetamer for PvM and a crafter.
Rest of the post just points out that you clearly have no clue about playing a mage so keep those great "Advices" to yourself lol. Or if you like, bring a mage against my archer and we'll see how well that works haha. That would make a nice educational video.
You guess what ever you want rolleyes:Great come back, Im not the one QQing about moving shot you are! Guess i win!
Learn to PvP
I think you belong hereGreat come back, Im not the one QQing about moving shot you are! Guess i win!
Learn to PvP
I think you belong here
http://forums.wow-europe.com/board.html?sid=1&forumId=11091
Ye, clearly. A typical encounter with an archer goes something thisThats all your good for ...Trolling! :loser:
Best you go join your PKR friends and go play drachenfels where the PvP is easyer. Europa is way to hard for you FEW boys with all these archers doing moving shot ehhh!
I can clearly see your level of communication has yet to rise above that of the UCH boards but you could at least try.Ye, clearly. A typical encounter with an archer goes something this
Curse
Apple
Explosion
Curse
Ebolt (archer takes off while casting).
Moving Shots + Explopots is def my favorite.
Now, instead of littering this thread like you litter your bed at night, buzz off.
On topic: Give all melee and spellcasting combat skills an ability or a spell which does 30+ damage 8 tile range every 1.25sec, costs 5 mana with 40/60 hit/miss.![]()
Reasons why your arguments fail...I can clearly see your level of communication has yet to rise above that of the UCH boards but you could at least try.
Just because you keep getting you ass handed back to by GOD archers does not mean you have to come here and take your rage out on me. Go take your archer rage over to blazing on the UCH boards im sure he will be happy to listen to your concerns about how his boys are PWNing your butt with moving shot.
If you don’t like moving shot then don’t run away, its that simple. Stand and fight like a man or run and die like a coward…your choice! :loser:
Remember the archer will only use moving shot when you run away, stick around and fight….you never know you might win!
Sometimes the most viable option is running i.e you have 5 people, of which 3 are archers and 2 tamers/tamer-archers, running after you. It's also common that a group such as this uses a speedhack to nullifies hit spell "stop" completely.I can clearly see your level of communication has yet to rise above that of the UCH boards but you could at least try.
Just because you keep getting you ass handed back to by GOD archers does not mean you have to come here and take your rage out on me. Go take your archer rage over to blazing on the UCH boards im sure he will be happy to listen to your concerns about how his boys are PWNing your butt with moving shot.
If you don’t like moving shot then don’t run away, its that simple. Stand and fight like a man or run and die like a coward…your choice! :loser:
Remember the archer will only use moving shot when you run away, stick around and fight….you never know you might win!
1. Show me where i made personal remarks? Quotes please?1. Personal attacks instead of actually backing up anything you say.
2. Everything you do say is completely idiotic, yes, all archers only use moving shot when someones running away, they NEVER spam it to gain an advantage, NEVER.
3. You're biased, you're clearly one of the gimplets of the month religiously defending his right to fight with no skill like a half-******** mother grizzly bear. Personal Attack maybe?
In fact, I feel sorry for you. The fact you're pulling oh so many personal attacks on other peoples skill says one of two things to me.
1. You either get destroyed by them REGULARLY, or at least every time you play your non gimp toon and feel that you some how act like you have the big stick to full fill your screwed-up sense of worth.
2. This game means oh so much to you that you need to make sure everyone knows you're the best! Despite the fact if you are, or, in probability, aren't.
Regardless, you need to take a break from UO. make some real friends. Go to a bar, realize you're not a 14 year old child and that you're, in all likely-hood, 30 + years old. You need to mature. Personal attack maybe?
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Well lets be fair here. If you have 3 archers chasing you down with moving shot, who cares what the mana cost is, you're going to die anyhow. If they all manage to get 2 shots off on you with in 5-7 seconds youre dead. So your agument falls down there!!!!Sometimes the most viable option is running i.e you have 5 people, of which 3 are archers and 2 tamers/tamer-archers, running after you. It's also common that a group such as this uses a speedhack to nullifies hit spell "stop" completely.
If you're incapable of staying on-topic I suggest you post a new thread on Europa forums where we can discuss Europa's PvP topics or just post on UCH since it's not moderated.
EDIT: This is the guild he's referring to.. maybe he's scared that they'll lose their "skills"![]()
1. I'm sorry for my confusion, referencing someones skill doesn't do anything for the debate and is trolling, hence personal attacks. You're attacking THEM not their argument. Skill level doesn't determine if you're right or if you're wrong.1. Show me where i made personal remarks? Quotes please?
2. How is finishing someone off with moving shot when they run away taking ADVANTAGE?
You are doing more personal attacks than anynoe here.
Yes Merv your right, that and 2 other bits of newly imbuble arties and they are running around with 60 SSI + Moving shot + explodepots.I wouldn't worry about anything anymore, since the patch that allows you to imbue Daimyo's helm no one bothers to play in fel anymore since everyone is an archer even the people who don't actually want to play an archer. This thread will get moved the uo spiels n rants before archery gets nerfed.
*waits for his subscription to run out because archer is too boring to play*
I see several butthurt statements made by you...which could very well be interpreted as personal attacks. Add to the fact that you jacked a perfectly reasonable thread due to being butthurt about the thought of change just goes to show that you are one sided on this matter.1. Show me where i made personal remarks? Quotes please?
2. How is finishing someone off with moving shot when they run away taking ADVANTAGE?
You are doing more personal attacks than anynoe here.
well...just take a look at the number of posts made. take a peek at how many of them are trolls...and how many add anything to the conversation. best guess would be that the Dbag has had many an alt on the forums...or else only posts when the matter pertains to *his* gameplay.1. I'm sorry for my confusion, referencing someones skill doesn't do anything for the debate and is trolling, hence personal attacks. You're attacking THEM not their argument. Skill level doesn't determine if you're right or if you're wrong.
2.Obviously you don't get it, I was using SARCASM, in stating that it's unrealistic and highly illogical that EVERYONE who uses moving shot only uses it for people who run away.
You just sound like another "butthurt" MageI
BTW...you play an archer...if you have anything relevant to add to the debate...please do so..
I played a running shot archer...it was not a challenge to play. It was unbalanced and quite overpowered IMO...it only took me a week to shelf the 5 button char.You just sound like another "butthurt" MageI
BTW...you play an archer...if you have anything relevant to add to the debate...please do so..
Moving Shot for the win!
My input was done via PM to Splup the OP of the thread. Now according to the board rules im not able to post what was said in the pm,s unless both party’s agree...you training to get me banned? Or are just one of these people who like to eavesdrop?Again...I ask why you arent attempting to debunk any of the claims made? Plenty of honest input has been given...where is yours?
Now...do you have anything worthwhile to add, or would you like me to help facilitate the removal of another one of your alts?
Didnt I ask if you could offer some solid rebuttal instead of endless trolling?My input was done via PM to Splup the OP of the thread. Now according to the board rules im not able to post what was said in the pm,s unless both party’s agree...you training to get me banned? Or are just one of these people who like to eavesdrop?
As for alts you can shove that crap up your ass. This is my only account here if you don’t like it sod off and make WILD accusations elsewhere. You seam to be living in a world of paranoia if you think I have an "alt" account...time to go see your shrink and talk about how playing a game and getting killed by moving shot has shrunk your brain mass to the size if a pea.
When you make wild accusations like that how can anyone have serous input to any conversations with a mad paranoid fool.
Oh one last thing, You try your best to" help facilitate the removal of another one of your alts" Im sure i wont get any sleep tonight knowing your going to get me banned from an internet forum.....Internet threats lol...nutter!
Moving shot for the win!