Mesanna about a second house

[FrejaSP]

Still something they want to do but look like it may take a while before they get there.

Tina Tink: how is it going with the second house
Tina Tink: for our new players
Mesanna: I am sorry I have been on vacation for 3 weeks then in Japan last week
Mesanna: refresh my memory =(
Mesanna: still a little jet lagged
Mesanna: 14 hour flights are horrible
Tina Tink: the options for players to place a second house here
Mesanna: ahh
Mesanna: ok so
Gizmo: that would be nice
Tina Tink: if they have main house on other shard
Mesanna: I want to do that
Mesanna: but
Mesanna: I said something the other day about it
Mesanna: on a different shard
Tina Tink: yes I heard
Tina Tink: Atlantic I think'
Mesanna: yes
Mesanna: I thought it was a good idea
Gizmo: it is
Mesanna: and I want to do it soon
Mesanna: I mean you don't have to place
Mesanna: who in the world is going to place here if they don't play here
Tina Tink: as long it is refreshed or only a small one it is
Mesanna: or thats my thought
Mesanna: you will have to refresh it
Mesanna: it can not be automatic
Tina Tink: that would be the best solusion
Gizmo: lots will come over just to get gold and place..
Gizmo: and thats kinda what we want
Mesanna: of course I want to make it you have to refresh like every 2 weeks
Gizmo: what about people who have primary houses here?
Mesanna: so you can go on vacation
Mesanna: they can place on another shard then
Mesanna: without harming this one
Tina Tink: think 3 weeks like in old days would be fine
Gizmo: but the houses here will have the same rulesets as anyone else?
Mesanna: GIzmo
Gizmo: for instance I will still need to refresh mine
Mesanna: tested the rez spell

That's what I got before focus was back on Faction and the Chiv rez problem

 

[Rumpy]

Im all for, so long as I get my house on another server and it has a refresh timer.

 

[Tanivar]

Mesanna: of course I want to make it you have to refresh like every 2 weeks
Gizmo: what about people who have primary houses here?
Mesanna: so you can go on vacation
Mesanna: they can place on another shard then
Mesanna: without harming this one
Tina Tink: think 3 weeks like in old days would be fine
Gizmo: but the houses here will have the same rulesets as anyone else?
Mesanna: GIzmo
Gizmo: for instance I will still need to refresh mine

Can the refresh of a 2nd house be made as simple as logging in to that other shard? A lot of us are up there on years and have occasional sudden hospital stays which could overlap the refresh day. It would be nice if all I had to do was simply instruct someone through getting logged in to Siege, and they wouldn't have to do the door opening bit which could let in a PKer who happened to be browsing the shop.

 

[Ducky Momo]

I am all for this!I hope it happens!

QUACK!

 

[Barania]

Im all for, so long as I get my house on another server and it has a refresh timer.

I like this. Pretty much play always on Siege but have 4 Chessie chars with backpacks and banks full - can't do anything really cause I'm overloaded on them all. I'd be into having a refreshable house there - maybe then move to Atlantic - who knows. Its a win win deal - new folks visit Siege and Siege folks can screw around somewhere else when they want or when the server is down here.

Jack Nickelson

 

[alh.viz.uo]

Great News!!

 

[kelmo]

I am guessing this conversation happened in general chat?

 

[Hattori Hanzo]

As long as we can set our primary house and not need to refresh it. There should be a refresh requirement only on one house. Either here or on the other share.

 

[DJAd]

Meh, refresh?! I think just allow a 2nd house that refreshes like normal as long as the account still has an active subscription.

 

[Tjalle]

Meh, refresh?! I think just allow a 2nd house that refreshes like normal as long as the account still has an active subscription.

No, this would open up for "grief placing" by prodo people. They could just place in prime locations here and then go on with their lives on prodo.
At least with refreshing they have to do a little work to keep the houses up here.

 

[kelmo]

To be honest, I hope they do not limit or single Siege out as the only shard where a second house can be placed. I know many really want to give Siege a go and a house would help a lot.

If Siege is the only other shard for a second house... I see bad things happening.

I hope a secondary house is available to each paid account on the shard of their choice and it must be refreshed as a second house.

 

[Sprago]

No, this would open up for "grief placing" by prodo people. They could just place in prime locations here and then go on with their lives on prodo.
At least with refreshing they have to do a little work to keep the houses up here.

well shouldnt we already have all the prime locations? and if we dont they must not be to prime of a location right?

But yes i do think they should have to refresh them at least once every couple weeks

 

[DJAd]

No, this would open up for "grief placing" by prodo people. They could just place in prime locations here and then go on with their lives on prodo.

Ok, yeah I can agree with this. Surely all the prime locations have been taken already by the current siege players though?

 

[FrejaSP]

I am guessing this conversation happened in general chat?

No, not in gen chat, Mesanna was in New Magincia to remove the ghost vendors. We was speaking with her there.

 

[FrejaSP]

To be honest, I hope they do not limit or single Siege out as the only shard where a second house can be placed. I know many really want to give Siege a go and a house would help a lot.

If Siege is the only other shard for a second house... I see bad things happening.

I hope a secondary house is available to each paid account on the shard of their choice and it must be refreshed as a second house.

Yes that would be the best solusion, as they would place it somewhere else if they stopped playing Siege

 

[kelmo]

No, not in gen chat, Mesanna was in New Magincia to remove the ghost vendors. We was speaking with her there.

*bows* Thank you.

 

[Zalfein]

No, this would open up for "grief placing" by prodo people. They could just place in prime locations here and then go on with their lives on prodo.
At least with refreshing they have to do a little work to keep the houses up here.

Hello,
a simple solution, restrict them to Malas!
Zalfein

 

[FrejaSP]

Hello,
a simple solution, restrict them to Malas!
Zalfein

Sadly it's not as simple as it may sounds. If it is not only Siege, people can place a second house on, some may chose to switch and make their second house a primary and the primary a second house. If their primary house is on an other facet, that is not possible.

I was also thinking about making it so the second house could only be a 2 storries or a small classic, but that would give same problem.

An other way could be to make it so an account can own:

1 castle/keep and one 7x7
or
1 large classic/3 storries and one small classic/2 storry

 

[tangar]

With all respect... But I dont think developers would be able to do such complex restrictions (Malas idea or certain type of house).

In any case - if they would do possibility to have house at SP to all UO players - it would be good for a Siege. More people would try SP. More people would create their first character at our server. Some of them would stay at SP

Also it means boost for economy. Аctually this could start middle-small house market at SP in good places. Now people ready to pay only for castles/keeps and premium houses near gates/towns.

More houses -> hard to find spot -> competition -> higher prices for a houses -> new "job" (profession) at SP: housebroker (seller of real estate) -> more fun.

p.s.
I remember 1999 at DF - it was really hard to find place for a house. And it was fun. I waited a lot of time till I could buy a spot for a house.. Building a house was a big event in my UO life. And it was great emotions.

 

[Olahorand]

Yes, back in the time struggling for a house was not easy, but a real good motivation.
People with an ingame house were usually veterans in the eyes of us newbies, who always dreamed. Slowly more and more dreams came true (sharing a small tower with 3 people, the first own small tower, the first sandstone, log cabin, tower, ...) , but in the current state of gane nightmare feelings come up, since even castle spots remain unused on some shards.

 

[Retlaw of Vesper]

I remember using UOAutomap to log house spots on one server, then going to another and see what spots were open in hope of being able to place instead of buying from player. Good Times

 

[THP]

a 2 week refresh is absolure stupidity from stupid village....yah nobody goes on 2 weeks vacation.....crazy.....make it one week!!!

 

[Tazar]

a 2 week refresh is absolure stupidity from stupid village....yah nobody goes on 2 weeks vacation.....crazy.....make it one week!!!

*looks at Christmas Break our team at Mythic just had*

aside from that - I do get occasional 2 week vacations. There are also times that I am out of town for close to 2 weeks on business.

I think the two week time is fine.

 

[wanderer1origin]

actually some of us can take more than 2 weeks off your walmart job might not offer it LOL!!
dont diss ones that spent time in a company that offers benifits too long time employees 4 weeks a year isnt a unusual event where i work

a 2 week refresh is absolure stupidity from stupid village....yah nobody goes on 2 weeks vacation.....crazy.....make it one week!!!

 

[FrejaSP]

I would say, make it 3 weeks

 

[Hattori Hanzo]

Refresh each month. The principle is to make it so people play here, not to make it so burdensome that you have to think about your siege house more often than your electric bill.

 

[Rumpy]

I vote refresh each day.
Or if you go on Vacation, its 1 Mil per week with a 2 week max.
Hello Gold Sink!

 

[Tanivar]

What would people think if the "refresh-required 2nd house" turned out to be a gypsy cart?

I'd like the Gypsy Carts or Tents as options.

 

[FrejaSP]

I'd like the Gypsy Carts or Tents as options.

problem is, a Small House would be more safe, as you can't keep a killer out of a Tent or a Gypsy Cart.

 

[Victim of Siege]

problem is, a Small House would be more safe, as you can't keep a killer out of a Tent or a Gypsy Cart.

Depends on how resistant to shotgun blasts they are

 

[Tanivar]

problem is, a Small House would be more safe, as you can't keep a killer out of a Tent or a Gypsy Cart.

So make the tent flaps or wagon door close securely, or better yet trappable.

We can walk a greater dragon in through a man-sized door, so secure tent flaps wouldn't be any more odd.

 

[FrejaSP]

Depends on how resistant to shotgun blasts they are

We don't have shotguns yet

 

[Victim of Siege]

We don't have shotguns yet

*sets Possum to work on inventing that*

 

[Tanivar]

We don't have shotguns yet

How about a light cannon loaded with grapeshot? The recoil leaves a serious hole in the back wall of the tent, but the hole it'll put in the killer will be even worse.

 

[Hattori Hanzo]

I want to build a gypsy camp.

 

[Sprago]

i Do think there should be some kinda of a manual refresh to it but i wouldnt be to picky about it i just wanna see it happen this should draw more here even if only every once in a great whileat least thats more then they do now right?

 

[Hattori Hanzo]

i Do think there should be some kinda of a manual refresh to it but i wouldnt be to picky about it i just wanna see it happen this should draw more here even if only every once in a great whileat least thats more then they do now right?

Best point on this thread.

 

[vvvv]

I do not agree with the manual refresh at all. We are already forced out of good spots by guilds at this time anyway on seige. IDOCs only occur for those guilds as well. I do not want to have a system mistake losing my house. Your system has already had multiple roll backs becuase it cant remember information. What if it drops my house becuase it forgets? This is very likely becuase of recent events. Also, people can come here and sell their house here for gold on another server. They are already starting that already. I like seige but now i have to be pushing a refresh button becuase the people above me in this forum or telling me too. I disagree.

 

[Hattori Hanzo]

I do not agree with the manual refresh at all. We are already forced out of good spots by guilds at this time anyway on seige. IDOCs only occur for those guilds as well. I do not want to have a system mistake losing my house. Your system has already had multiple roll backs becuase it cant remember information. What if it drops my house becuase it forgets? This is very likely becuase of recent events. Also, people can come here and sell their house here for gold on another server. They are already starting that already. I like seige but now i have to be pushing a refresh button becuase the people above me in this forum or telling me too. I disagree.

You have a valid point vv, but I fear without a refresh requirement a bunch of people will simple create a character here so they can place a house and never step foot here again.

 

[Tanivar]

I do not want to have a system mistake losing my house. Your system has already had multiple roll backs becuase it cant remember information. What if it drops my house becuase it forgets? This is very likely becuase of recent events.

I suspect they are going to be very paranoid puppies with new coding for a while after the last months experiences they've had. That should work in our favor.

 

[chise2]

You have a valid point vv, but I fear without a refresh requirement a bunch of people will simple create a character here so they can place a house and never step foot here again.

Exactly or what about all the people that will come here to try it out and place a house then decide Siege isn;t for them? I dont mind if the shard fills up with houses if most of those houses are for active players. But I donlt want the shard to fill up with ghost houses taking up valuable space for those that actually want to play here.

 

[Tjalle]

If someone doesn´t want to manually refresh their Siege house there´s always the option to drop their prodo house and place a permanent house on Siege...

 

[FrejaSP]

I do not agree with the manual refresh at all. We are already forced out of good spots by guilds at this time anyway on seige. IDOCs only occur for those guilds as well. I do not want to have a system mistake losing my house. Your system has already had multiple roll backs becuase it cant remember information. What if it drops my house becuase it forgets? This is very likely becuase of recent events. Also, people can come here and sell their house here for gold on another server. They are already starting that already. I like seige but now i have to be pushing a refresh button becuase the people above me in this forum or telling me too. I disagree.

Trust me, if we do not have manuel refresh we will see so many ghost houses on Siege, so Siege player can place a house, not even a small one. We had been there, when all could place a house on each shard.
2 weeks refresh sounds to short, 3 weeks would works. If players decide, Siege is their main shard, they can make the Siege house primary and their old house on old shard to secondary.

We may have many free house spots right now, but we do not have the Trammel facet and if just 10% of the 20 prodo shards players want a Siege house, it will fill like 2 prodo shards housing and some of them will be castles. If all this prodo shards players did play, that was great, and we could get a Siege shard more.

The Siege housing refresh house is meant to help players making the move and having a house on prodo and one on Siege until they deside where they want to play. If they permenent want to play 2 shards and don't like refresh, they will have to get 2 accounts.

 

[vvvv]

The converstation with Messana appears to suggest that I will be refreshing even if I have only one house on seige. I do not want to refresh my house. I still feel the guild leaders above or deciding for me what I should do on the seige shard.

 

[FrejaSP]

The converstation with Messana appears to suggest that I will be refreshing even if I have only one house on seige. I do not want to refresh my house. I still feel the guild leaders above or deciding for me what I should do on the seige shard.

no your first house on the account won't need refresh, only the second one

 

[UncleSham]

i remember the old days of having to refresh houses weekly. i had a twice weekly routine set up in case i lost a refresh to a revert. it was fairly common back then . still somehow we actually reverted 2 of my refreshes and i lost a house . i lost some descent rares including a "spam" when it fell. *weeps for the memory of lost spam*

i dont want to have to do that again and would not wish it on anyone . i think even refreshing it once a month would make sure people actually played here and would allow people to go on vacations and such . lets not push people to hard please . we want people to stay.

wont someone think of the spam ? *wipes a tear away and blows nose on a nearby sheep*

 

[Tjalle]

Selling Unclesham´s spam!

 

[Baby Doll]

no your first house on the account won't need refresh, only the second one

Then I would want my primary house to be on another shard, so I never have worry about logging in to refresh. And my secondary house would be on the shard I played the most. In my case, I log into Siege almost daily, so the refresh would not be an issue.

 

[Obsidian]

I played on Siege for a while about a year ago. I ultimately left because I had no house and I found I enjoyed the game better with insurance. That said, I would place and refresh a small house manually to help me finish developing my crafter character. I agree with the sentiments that you don't want to have unlimited placement on a prodo shard and Siege. For those with prodo shard primary houses, it should be a manual refresh. I think 2 weeks is a good happy medium between the current 7-day decay cycle and the month proposed in this thread. I would not go longer than 2 weeks or you WILL have a ton of houses from prodo shard folks that only log into siege monthly to keep their free house and they will neither use it nor contribute to the Siege community. That would not be good for Siege. Having a second house on a manual refresh with 7 or 14 day decay cycle will bring in some new blood and minimize unused homes.

If we find that a 14-day cycle is too long and there are a billion unused homes, then I would encourage Mesanna to change the timer back to the standard 7-day decay cycle.

 

[TheGhostRaider]

Are we ever going to see this come true have a second house that can decay. I sure can use one on this shard right about now. Not pleasant to only have a bank box for your secure. I will be waiting for the go ahead to place a new house.