Mechanics Theory of loot ascension

[Mechanic]

I am spending a lot more time in game lately. As a consequence to this I need to make more gold to replace my ever dwindling item cache. One such maneuver I was trying today was to farm arrows from centaurs and do the arrow quest in heartwood because it gives some loot and I have a chance of getting a better bow. You see my cross bow is way too slow to kill most anything. This brought me to the conclusion that the loot system in UO is completely backward.

Currently we have a system where in order to get the items you need to compete at a very high level you will need to fight the highest level monsters, BUT to fight these high level monsters you need the high end gear.

I have played many a game in my time and they seem to have some sort of ascension process where the loot gets better as you go.

for example you are a newbee swordsman,
you venture out to fight horde minions till about 30 or 40 skill level
now any old weapon will do to kill these,
so from 30-60 you fight headless, this too needs nothign out of the ordanary to kill so you didn't need the lack of loot the minions drop.
but now you are fighting lizard men and you need some armor, but since you fought headless, which drop absolute crap, and gold isn't any better.

Now you say well crafting is a viable resource, is it?
how much gold do you think I scored killing headless from 30-60 skill?
how much gold did it drop?

but the low end of this spectrum is not the real problem its the very high end.
how far do you that looted LRC suit will get you at a peerless or in doom?

can you really tank anything with your dexxer with a looted suit?

what about weapons that drop off anything lower than a paragon blood ele?

most new people in the game have to resort to community help to make it through to higher levels. handouts, welfare, charity.

how often do you hear people talk about dropping stuff at the bank for the newbees to use.
shouldn't those things be obtainable by the new person? Or has UO become a welfare state?

the mobs you are fighting now should be dropping loot for the monsters you will be killing next
if you feel this should be left in the hands of crafters
resources for crafting should not be a plaything only for the very rich.(or dupers)

 

[Mechanic]

I probably should have posted this in Uhell

 

[OldAsTheHills]

I am spending a lot more time in game lately. As a consequence to this I need to make more gold to replace my ever dwindling item cache. One such maneuver I was trying today was to farm arrows from centaurs and do the arrow quest in sanctuary because it gives some loot and I have a chance of getting a better bow. You see my cross bow is way too slow to kill most anything. This brought me to the conclusion that the loot system in UO is completely backward.

Currently we have a system where in order to get the items you need to compete at a very high level you will need to fight the highest level monsters, BUT to fight these high level monsters you need the high end gear.

I have played many a game in my time and they seem to have some sort of ascension process where the loot gets better as you go.

for example you are a newbee swordsman,
you venture out to fight horde minions till about 30 or 40 skill level
now any old weapon will do to kill these,
so from 30-60 you fight headless, this too needs nothign out of the ordanary to kill so you didn't need the lack of loot the minions drop.
but now you are fighting lizard men and you need some armor, but since you fought headless, which drop absolute crap, and gold isn't any better.

Now you say well crafting is a viable resource, is it?
how much gold do you think I scored killing headless from 30-60 skill?
how much gold did it drop?

but the low end of this spectrum is not the real problem its the very high end.
how far do you that looted LRC suit will get you at a peerless or in doom?

can you really tank anything with your dexxer with a looted suit?

what about weapons that drop off anything lower than a paragon blood ele?

most new people in the game have to resort to community help to make it through to higher levels. handouts, welfare, charity.

how often do you hear people talk about dropping stuff at the bank for the newbees to use.
shouldn't those things be obtainable by the new person? Or has UO become a welfare state?

the mobs you are fighting now should be dropping loot for the monsters you will be killing next
if you feel this should be left in the hands of crafters
resources for crafting should not be a plaything only for the very rich.(or dupers)

Anyone can create a new player character on Siege Perilous and from scratch
advance to 7gm status without anyone's help.

But, the Community uses the Guilds for controlling most of the upper level
games within this game called UO. If you are not part of any guild then your
game is limited by these guilds. But, you need not join. You could act as the
survivor in your own selected game. But, to gain 120 skill scrolls are very unlikely
to be obtained by yourself, unless someone gives or sells them to you.
I mostly gain them by looting IDOCs.

The last two years, most of the posters on this forum have done nothing but
ask the developers to shift the game to aid or support pvping as the only game
for the players of Siege Perilous. The changes in crafting of weapons, armor,
and other items are in the control of the few. Or, crafting is done only for the
guilds. There is not really that much on vendors these days that interest me.
If I have a need then I go and kill a monster for gold or some items. Yes, I do
use LRC suits, jewelry with skills, 1/2, 1/3, reagents, scrolls from monsters.
I do the Minotaur quests for moderately high weapons. I have a reasonablely
long list of uncursed artifacts. Mostly, special glasses. *stares*
I have several million gold checks... but, I spend very little. Gold is not important to me.

There are some monsters I have yet to kill by myself... probably will never ...
but... so what? The Community does what it does... I do my stuff else where
on Siege Perilous.

But, I do believe... even now... that new players coming to Siege Perilous can
survive on their own, and rise to their own chosen goals. That will be their fun.

*stares*
Yahaxithonix

 

[ayahuasca]

true. I started as a dungeon rogue with no combat skills at all, and accumulated a good portion of loot. That interest has returned and left several times, in which case I have had to retrain lockpicking on 3 seperate occasions. Now I have some combat skills, and pvm. Pvp is looking more interesting- at least as far as staying alive and surviving attacks- but truthfully for me the pvm is more intersting since, like a box of chocolates, you never know what you are gonna get. I am in my own guild of one, and don't feel a need to run with a pack.
Just out of curiousity, which glasses do you own, and how long did it take you to get them? I have a pair of poisoned, and am working on the sammy glasses now.

 

[Hoffs]

like a box of chocolates, you never know what you are gonna get.

<pedantry>
I have always hated that expression from the one and only time I saw the film. When I get a box of chocolates I usually know exactly what I am going to get, and when selecting an individual one I am not certain about I refer to the pictorial guide to ensure it is not turkish delight or some other horrible filling.
</pedantary>

 

[HaHa]

Turkish delight... lol . Sounds like something naughty from deuce biggalow.

 

[Draxous]

I agree... the loot system in this game is broken.

 

[Shalimar/Cleo]

like a box of chocolates, you never know what you are gonna get.

<pedantry>
I have always hated that expression from the one and only time I saw the film. When I get a box of chocolates I usually know exactly what I am going to get, and when selecting an individual one I am not certain about I refer to the pictorial guide to ensure it is not turkish delight or some other horrible filling.
</pedantary>

Hehe, I'm quite partial to turkish delight, it's the coffee and liqueur chocs I don't like. I never look at the pictures though, I just bite a little bit off the edge, for testing purposes you know, and chuck it in the bin if it's coffee/liqueur.

 

[OldAsTheHills]

true. I started as a dungeon rogue with no combat skills at all, and accumulated a good portion of loot. That interest has returned and left several times, in which case I have had to retrain lockpicking on 3 seperate occasions. Now I have some combat skills, and pvm. Pvp is looking more interesting- at least as far as staying alive and surviving attacks- but truthfully for me the pvm is more intersting since, like a box of chocolates, you never know what you are gonna get. I am in my own guild of one, and don't feel a need to run with a pack.
Just out of curiousity, which glasses do you own, and how long did it take you to get them? I have a pair of poisoned, and am working on the sammy glasses now.

I have the mage glasses and the paladin glasses. Both took me about 3 months each
of collecting gold and bookcase free books and reagents.
I took my time doing these. During the time of the paladin glasses I gained
other items from the dungeons. Luck statues, Akhn necklace, and several
Dragon End swords. It takes 12 million gold to donate to get any set of glasses.

*stares*
Yahaxithonix

 

[Mechanic]

Anyone can create a new player character on Siege Perilous and from scratch
advance to 7gm status without anyone's help.

But, the Community uses the Guilds for controlling most of the upper level
games within this game called UO. If you are not part of any guild then your
game is limited by these guilds. But, you need not join. You could act as the
survivor in your own selected game. But, to gain 120 skill scrolls are very unlikely
to be obtained by yourself, unless someone gives or sells them to you.
I mostly gain them by looting IDOCs.

The last two years, most of the posters on this forum have done nothing but
ask the developers to shift the game to aid or support pvping as the only game
for the players of Siege Perilous. The changes in crafting of weapons, armor,
and other items are in the control of the few. Or, crafting is done only for the
guilds. There is not really that much on vendors these days that interest me.
If I have a need then I go and kill a monster for gold or some items. Yes, I do
use LRC suits, jewelry with skills, 1/2, 1/3, reagents, scrolls from monsters.
I do the Minotaur quests for moderately high weapons. I have a reasonablely
long list of uncursed artifacts. Mostly, special glasses. *stares*
I have several million gold checks... but, I spend very little. Gold is not important to me.

There are some monsters I have yet to kill by myself... probably will never ...
but... so what? The Community does what it does... I do my stuff else where
on Siege Perilous.

But, I do believe... even now... that new players coming to Siege Perilous can
survive on their own, and rise to their own chosen goals. That will be their fun.

*stares*
Yahaxithonix

the opinion of someone playing a solo game in a massively multi-player online game has no interest to me

 

[OldAsTheHills]

I agree... the loot system in this game is broken.

And? ...
Maybe if people would ... oh, never mind. It just not PvPing, BlacK RaiN!
You never doing anything like that. Please do not!

*stares*
Yahaxithonix

 

[OldAsTheHills]

the opinion of someone playing a solo game in a massively multi-player online game has no interest to me

Someone playing in a massively multi-player online game should
understand that each player begins the game solo!

Not everyone sees the game as you do!

But, as you say... you do not care. This is one of things wrong with
player behavior ... why care about anything outside Mechanic's cardboard box
of thinking.

*stares*
Yahaxithonix

 

[Skylark SP]

<pedantry>
I have always hated that expression from the one and only time I saw the film. When I get a box of chocolates I usually know exactly what I am going to get, and when selecting an individual one I am not certain about I refer to the pictorial guide to ensure it is not turkish delight or some other horrible filling.
</pedantary>

LOL...when there is no picture guide with the candy, I feel like I am playing Russian roulette. The real horror is getting the ones with the squishy pink and orange "mystery" fillings and you get one unsuspecting. *shivers* I feel that those who would pollute good chocolate in this manner, by filling it with something so disgusting, incur a special bad karma all their own.

-Skylark