Magic Reflect vs Omen

[Vaelix]

Returning player, blah blah..

So Ive come back to an Pure "Focused" mage (Inscribe) and am liking the change to Magic reflect..

However something Ive noticed which doesnt make sense..



Magic Reflect > Omen (Reflected) > Omen (Goes through)

Isnt Omen Omen only 2 levels of possible reflect?

Why is 1 Omen eating through my Whole magic reflection?


(If im just being a newbie please point it out and I'll move on my way, just seems like something is Amiss there..)

Edit : This is with 120 Magery, 120 Resist, 100 Inscribe

Edit 2 : Thinking about this, Omen is reducing my resist, but even with 120 Mage, 60 Resist, 100 Inscribe.. Magic Reflection should still be reflecting more than 2 levels of spells.. no?

 

[Mervyn]

evil omen is used as a shield breaker, it doesn't actually eat through it, it takes 60% pool, you can still reflect it. But it is a useful spell to break a shield.

 

[Vaelix]

Seems a bit excessive for a basically level 1 spell (Casting speed).. but alrighty, thank yas.



Final Edit : My problem with that is... Basically 60 Necromancy is able to ruin a 120 Mage, 120 Resist, 100 Inscribe (240 Total skill) Spell, with a level 1 cast.. That doesnt seem "Balanced" Maybe Im biased because Im the scribe mage here but seriously.. Its 180 more skill invested and getting countered by a mere 60.

 

[chad]

Seems a bit excessive for a basically level 1 spell (Casting speed).. but alrighty, thank yas.



Final Edit : My problem with that is... Basically 60 Necromancy is able to ruin a 120 Mage, 120 Resist, 100 Inscribe (240 Total skill) Spell, with a level 1 cast.. That doesnt seem "Balanced" Maybe Im biased because Im the scribe mage here but seriously.. Its 180 more skill invested and getting countered by a mere 60.

Your template isn't based around magic reflect. It's just a perk you get. Pick and choose opportune times to use it and it can be extremely powerful. It's fine as is.

 

[Vaelix]

Your template isn't based around magic reflect. It's just a perk you get. Pick and choose opportune times to use it and it can be extremely powerful. It's fine as is.

While this may be true, you don't see issue with a 60 Skill Perk ripping through a 240 skill perk?

 

[Wizal the Fox]

Speaking about Magic Reflection:
- Reflection Pool is depleted too fast in PvM, make that half than in PvP
- Reflection Pool should refill itself slowly over time. Having to recast it when not fighting is just a useless annoyance.

 

[chad]

While this may be true, you don't see issue with a 60 Skill Perk ripping through a 240 skill perk?

No. Also, it's 120 skill points. Eval has no effect on it, only magery. (scribe as well, if you have it).

 

[Vaelix]

No. Also, it's 120 skill points. Eval has no effect on it, only magery. (scribe as well, if you have it).

120 Magery, 120 Resist, 100 Inscribe..

According to a vague forumla on UOguide

http://www.uoguide.com/Magic_Reflection

 

[Mervyn]

Seems a bit excessive for a basically level 1 spell (Casting speed).. but alrighty, thank yas.



Final Edit : My problem with that is... Basically 60 Necromancy is able to ruin a 120 Mage, 120 Resist, 100 Inscribe (240 Total skill) Spell, with a level 1 cast.. That doesnt seem "Balanced" Maybe Im biased because Im the scribe mage here but seriously.. Its 180 more skill invested and getting countered by a mere 60.

The person who is evil omening your magic reflect requires at least 60 necro, this will break their sdi 30 cap to sdi 15.

evil omen is not OP

 

[Vaelix]

The person who is evil omening your magic reflect requires at least 60 necro, this will break their sdi 30 cap to sdi 15.

evil omen is not OP

You're missing the point..

The point im trying to make is this..

60 Skill vs 240 Skill.. 60 Skill wins.

My template has 240 skill invested into Magic Reflection modifier, being trumped by 60 Skill.

That is all.

 

[CovenantX]

60 Skill vs 240 Skill.. 60 Skill wins.

Basically when i read this part of your post I had to reply with... How does one lose to Evil Omen alone?

Evil Omen does nothing by itself & duration of Evil Omen is also based on spiritspeak vs targets resisting spells.

Focused Mages, not only get a bonus to magic reflection pool, but also a higher spell damage cap for pvp, and 5% casting focus. (Gm Scribe)

 

[Vaelix]

Basically when i read this part of your post I had to reply with... How does one lose to Evil Omen alone?

Evil Omen does nothing by itself & duration of Evil Omen is also based on spiritspeak vs targets resisting spells.

Focused Mages, not only get a bonus to magic reflection pool, but also a higher spell damage cap for pvp, and 5% casting focus. (Gm Scribe)

You're completely missing the point as well..

I'm not losing to Omen alone, Im not even necessarily losing to omen at all..

Its just that..

A 60 Skill level 1 spell, is basically ruining my 5th level 240 Skill spell in one go.. that seems a bit much to me.

Im risking a moderately long cast Magic Reflection, just to have it basically stripped by a nearly instant cast Omen.. The fact that Omen is effective with only 60 Necro compared to my 240 Skill investment is just salt in the wound.


Look at it this way..

As a mage, I have to cast a flamestrike and eat the reflected Flamestrike damage to get close to the same effect.

And thats with more required skill, more required cast time, and taking the damage from a 7th level spell.

Vs

Less required skill, drastically lower cast time, and no damage if the Reflecting mage cannot utilize the reflected omen.


In that scenario the spell with lower risk / cast time / skill investment is comming out on top.


All Im asking is that you either invest higher skill / higher cast time / or have higher risk, to counter the spell that I've done all three to achieve said refletion effect.

 

[Omnius]

guy running necro forfeits his raised sdi cap to run necro... you're trying to compare apples to apples but the scenario requires you compare apples to oranges.

 

[SugarSmacks]

The person who is evil omening your magic reflect requires at least 60 necro, this will break their sdi 30 cap to sdi 15.

evil omen is not OP

Omen is not OP?
Really?
What do you base this opinion on?
The fact it casts EXTREMLY FAST or the fact it stacks with EVERY SPELL?

Take a good necro and put him against anybody good on a different template and the necro will win. Too many people disagree because they dont know how to play a necro correctly, but its a pretty obvious result when you realize the power.
Now add poison to necro and its not just beyond OP it actually makes UO look stupid. But by all means lets have a game where we only need 3 buttons for pvp right lol!

 

[Mervyn]

Omen is not OP?
Really?
What do you base this opinion on?
The fact it casts EXTREMLY FAST or the fact it stacks with EVERY SPELL?

Take a good necro and put him against anybody good on a different template and the necro will win. Too many people disagree because they dont know how to play a necro correctly, but its a pretty obvious result when you realize the power.
Now add poison to necro and its not just beyond OP it actually makes UO look stupid. But by all means lets have a game where we only need 3 buttons for pvp right lol!

I play a necro with poisoning, quite well i might add, but i have less faction points on it than other chars, it's a paper scissors rock thing, in order to have necro and poisoning, you must lack in mana regen/med and/or dci.

I have 3 times as many points on my mystic and equal points on my rage (ranger mage)

 

[chad]

120 Magery, 120 Resist, 100 Inscribe..

According to a vague forumla on UOguide

http://www.uoguide.com/Magic_Reflection

It appears you're correct on the formula! It's still a moot point IMO. It's a "perk", that if used appropriately can be extremely detrimental. 1/64 spells, bud. Pick and choose when to use it and you may win certain fights because of it. I don't think they should have ever reinstated the actual reflection of spells, but that's a different argument for a different day.

 

[chad]

Omen is not OP?
Really?
What do you base this opinion on?
The fact it casts EXTREMLY FAST or the fact it stacks with EVERY SPELL?

Take a good necro and put him against anybody good on a different template and the necro will win. Too many people disagree because they dont know how to play a necro correctly, but its a pretty obvious result when you realize the power.
Now add poison to necro and its not just beyond OP it actually makes UO look stupid. But by all means lets have a game where we only need 3 buttons for pvp right lol!

Disagree. The better player wins 99% of the time. It has nothing to do with template.

 

[SugarSmacks]

Disagree. The better player wins 99% of the time. It has nothing to do with template.

Who would expect you to say different when you play that overpowered template.

Seeing you fight someone on a template that wasnt as gimp as yours would be a surprise.

 

[chad]

Who would expect you to say different when you play that overpowered template.

Seeing you fight someone on a template that wasnt as gimp as yours would be a surprise.

I haven't played a necro in six months, let alone a poison necro.