I just dont see it having enough support.Come November, proposition 19 *will* pass...
Legalize it? We're gonna...
Come live here and talk to the citizens of the state. The only "average joe" I know who doesn't support it are the dealers themselves, since they stand to lose billions of dollars collectively.I just dont see it having enough support.
Why would dealers hate this? They would be able to legally carry goods around. If they are smart enough to not get seen making a sale they are okay. Dealers good will be cheaper than the states im sure, therefore they will still have much business. Untill marlboro or camel comes in and takes over....Come live here and talk to the citizens of the state. The only "average joe" I know who doesn't support it are the dealers themselves, since they stand to lose billions of dollars collectively.
Let's see. CA might actually be able to balance their budget. Prison overcrowding greatly reduced. Illegal "pot farms" on state land will cease, leaving LEO's more time to deal with more serious crimes. One of the top Mexican exports being decriminalized will lead to less border conflict...there's more, but I'll wait for some retorts before going on...
Not disparaging you, but I think it's a sad state of affairs when it's assumed that you can't put something in some soil and throw water at it without permission from the government.I didnt understand anyone could grow legally. I thought you needed some kind of business license.
I think there will be a restructuring of the entire system, but if you are currently a dealer and REALLY know how to run your end of the business then there will always be a niche market of marijuana smokers for your to be able to continue your business and thrive.The current dealers are freaking out because demand for their product will plummet, as will the price.
Sure, they can carry it around and sneak sales, but when there's no demand for the product (anyone can grow in a 5'X5' area) and the price has plummeted (again, anyone and everyone can grow) you might seriously reconsider the jail time.
There's a lot more to it. Proposition 19 basically legalizes growing across the state, but it also allows all counties and municipalities to set their own regulations and restrictions, up to and including a complete ban.
I think the pot heads will vote. If its one thing that "pot heads" are active on... its weed. They may not win, but they will make an effort.I think there will be a restructuring of the entire system, but if you are currently a dealer and REALLY know how to run your end of the business then there will always be a niche market of marijuana smokers for your to be able to continue your business and thrive.
I look forward too the vote with weary eyes in November. There are A LOT of supporters... ya pot heads, and pot heads are NOTORIOUS for simply not voting.
but there is also a lot of opposition even from the an economic stand point if you think legalization is going to bring in some absurd amount of money from taxes you're completely wrong because the prices are going to fall so fast that the "huge taxes" people currently envision aren't going to happen.
I honestly dont want it legalized(just in California) because i dont want BIG BUSINESS getting there ****ing hands on it. Marlboro and Camel selling bull**** grass from mexico is gonna **** me off. Plus were does that leave Californians when we travel......we take weed across state lines are now arrested and thrown in jail in nevada? That'd be really ****ing sweet for all the Californians it happens too.
Just food for thought....
You have an accident.
It has been 2 weeks since you smoked marijuana.....
Since it stays in your system for almost a month you are charged for DUI drugs.
You pay almost $3200 to bond out of jail even though you hadnt smoked in 2 weeks the MJ is still in your system.
/agreeProbable cause is great in theory, but "smelling it on you" is hardly something that can be proven false.
Disclaimer: I don't think every cop is out to get me, but there's no way to tell the good from the bad until you're either sent on your way home or being arrested, and it's well within the power of every cop to screw up your life on a whim.
Not in Washington state. I voted for it and pushed hard however they recently claimed they were 1000 votes short of making it to Nov balletCome November, proposition 19 *will* pass...
Legalize it? We're gonna...
Is N49ATV leet spelling for negative? Here man hit this feel better about it all okay?Meh, I guess cause im not a smoker, I dont see any reason to legalize it. It will cause issues for sure, and there will be billions spent on trying to prove people were high when getting in an accident, just due to period THC is in the body. Unlike liquor, which is in and out.
I cant see this being a good thing. Let the dealers keep doing thier thing, and let the pot heads smoke it in the privacy of thier own backyard, or house. But last thing im gonna want is some ******* sitting on a patio down town, chain smoking joints because he can, and I gotta smell the **** while I try and have a date with my gf, or dinner with the boys, or even have my kid on the patio with us, cause its a nice day.
And how are you gonna control the second hand smoke aspect of it? Where I live, there is 0 smoking allowed in bars, or restaurants, and its nice not to have to deal with someone elses problem.
Is N49ATV leet spelling for negative? Here man hit this feel better about it all okay?
Uh, link?There are folks whom have gotten it and died cuz the grower put some crap on it that maybe is outlawed in regards to herbicides and pesticides.
Prop 19 isn't about the G-man taking control of the industry, it's about regulation, control, and taxation. From Wikipedia:I do not trust anything utterly run by the govt. either for our safety/human consumption.
Read about the subject you are ranting on before embarking on said rant, please. In fact, here you go...Proposition 19, also known as the Regulate, Control and Tax Cannabis Act of 2010, is a California ballot proposition which will be on the November 2, 2010 California statewide ballot. It legalizes various marijuana-related activities, allows local governments to regulate these activities, permits local governments to impose and collect marijuana-related fees and taxes, and authorizes various criminal and civil penalties.[1] In March 2010 it qualified to be on the November statewide ballot.[2] Yes on 19 is the official advocacy group for the initiative.
As of July 2010[update], even if the proposition is passed, the sale of marijuana will remain illegal under federal law via the Controlled Substances Act.
Effects of the bill
According to the State of California analysis, the bill will have the following effects.[6]
[edit] Legalization of personal marijuana-related activities
[edit] Local government regulation of commercial production and sale
- Persons over the age of 21 may possess up to one 1 ounce (28 g) of marijuana for personal consumption.
- May use marijuana in a non-public place such as a residence or a public establishment licensed for on site marijuana consumption.
- May grow marijuana at a private residence in a space of up to 25 square feet for personal use.
[edit] Imposition and collection of taxes and fees
- Local government may authorize the retail sale of up to 1 ounce (28 g) of marijuana per transaction, and regulate the hours and location of the business.
- Local government may authorize larger amounts of marijuana for personal possession and cultivation, or for commercial cultivation, transportation, and sale.
- Allows for the transportation of marijuana from a licensed premises in one city or county to a licensed premises in another city or county, without regard to local laws of intermediate localities to the contrary.
[edit] Authorization of criminal and civil penalties
- Allows the collection of taxes specifically to allow local governments to raise revenue or to offset any costs associated with marijuana regulation.
- Maintains existing laws against selling drugs to a minor and driving under the influence.
- Maintains an employer's right to address consumption of marijuana that affects an employee's job performance.
- Maintain existing laws against interstate or international transportation of marijuana.
- Any person who is licensed, permitted or authorized to sell marijuana, who knowingly sells or gives away marijuana to someone under the age of 21 results in them being banned from owning, operating, or being employed by a licensed marijuana establishment for one year.
- Any person who is licensed, permitted or authorized to sell marijuana, who knowingly sells or gives away marijuana to someone older the age of 18 but younger than 21, shall be imprisoned in county jail for up to six months and fined up to $1,000 per offense.
- Any person who is licensed, permitted or authorized to sell marijuana, who knowingly sells or gives away marijuana to someone age 14 to 17, shall be imprisoned in state prison for a period of three, four, or five years.
- Any person who is licensed, permitted or authorized to sell marijuana, who knowingly sells or gives away marijuana to someone under the age of 14, shall be imprisoned in state prison for a period of three, five, or seven years
5X5 garden is a good sized closet/spare room, and some space will be taken by chemicals and lighting and watering.Well, we keep beer, wine and liguor looked up or in a fridge, inside our homes. How are you going to keep teens and younger out of a 25' sq garden that is outside your home? If this prop passes there it will be stricly regulated and probably cause more headaches in the short time than it cures for those of you that partake. In the long-term it will probably help us as Americans learn how to deal with drugs/ alcohol and their affects in the same way our neighboors in parts of Europe have. But that will take another generation or two of education, experience and public service announcements on tv.
LOL what a ****ing myth. Zen, whatever obituary or whoever you heard this from its complete garbage.It was not an urban legend. YOU can go back to 1969-1971 and look for the obituaries. You have to remember back then DDT was still legal and folks used it on things they grew, be it lettuce or pot. The obits did NOT say the pot caused the deaths of a 14 yr. old, a 16 yr. old and a few older folks. The law enforcement and medical coroners concluded that these few deaths back then were due to pesticides upon the pot.
DDT hysteria was rampant back then along with acid rain etc. DDT was banned for use in USA and they formed a new agency called the EPA/ the Environmental Agency cirica 1970/71.
I am simply stating, any grown product for human consumption be it legal or illegal can have it's risks ! Regulating pot or it's growth thus possibly legalising it, may REDUCE unwarrented deaths because unless we grow it ourselves be it lettuce or pot even no one knows WHAT was used on something that can become fatal for human consumption !!
Even legal drugs get recalled by the FDA when these prescriptions cause more side effects or deaths than originally thought in testings.
Thus my thought processes that IF pot would be legalised it should also be a substance checked like our lettuce or beer or wine to make sure the grower or producer of said product is NOT lacing anything with something chemically harmful that may make users sick or die from said product/s be they lettuce our eggs or pot !
Till then smoking or consuming any illegally produced uninspected products created by *the pusherman* friend or foe to us /usa then one foolishly assumes that any product one does not grow/produce themselves,
will have no consequnces and is *safe*.
Be it moonshine pot or worse, illegal products unchecked, always will have their consequences ... risks.
[youtube]rpoEmlxUPeQ[/youtube]
LOL what a ****ing myth. Zen, whatever obituary or whoever you heard this from its complete garbage.
First of all DDT would be extremely hard to smoke in the amounts it would take to kill you outright. Second of all, even HIGH levels of DDT are not proven to be fatal to humans.
Its all the other **** that DDT does to your body, cancers, immune system, reproductive system.
but DDT wouldn't just instantly kill you if you inhaled it with some marijuana. You wouldn't take a puff then 24 hours later be dead
But whatever, keep repeating some unproven bull**** created by 80 years of anti marijuana propaganda
the utility bill alone would put the brakes on that.
*laughs* I had someone snatch and go, with my nice ripe tomatoes out of my yard ! The neighbors' dog, likes my tomatoes.Anyone will not attempt to grow pot, the reason being.... can you imagine how many people will be yard snatching if someone tried growing it in their backyard? And as far as growing it indoors, the utility bill alone would put the brakes on that.