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Juo'nar (roof) Being Discorded

Wilma

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When Jou'nar discords a tamer, how far down does the tamer's skill go? If a tamer had natural 120's on taming and lore, but also had taming and lore skill jewels on, if that tamer got discorded, would those jewels have any effect on the outcome of the total skills lost to the discord? Would an enchanted apple get rid of the discord effect, and if so, how much time would the tamer have to eat that apple before losing control of his/her pet?
 

Anon McDougle

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When Jou'nar discords a tamer, how far down does the tamer's skill go? If a tamer had natural 120's on taming and lore, but also had taming and lore skill jewels on, if that tamer got discorded, would those jewels have any effect on the outcome of the total skills lost to the discord? Would an enchanted apple get rid of the discord effect, and if so, how much time would the tamer have to eat that apple before losing control of his/her pet?
Even more perplexing is what is his actual attack and why doesn't it show in buff bar
 

Pawain

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I have never been discorded on the roof. But, It discords your real skill to a value, your jewels do not count anymore.


At 120 Skill, vulnerable enemies will have their Resists and Skills reduced by 28%.

For Resists, this is a straight subtraction (if 90 pre-discord, they will be reduced to 62 after being discorded).

For skills, they are reduced by 28%:
120 Skill becomes 86.4
115 Skill becomes 82.8
110 Skill becomes 79.2



Apples or remove curse does not remove discord, it has to time off.
You can hide to remove it sooner or maybe invis works.
Your pet may not obey but they are not supposed to go wild anymore unless they are a Giant Beetle. You can thank McDougle and Frodo for that change.

I get a De Buff:

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Anon McDougle

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I have never been discorded on the roof. But, It discords your real skill to a value, your jewels do not count anymore.


At 120 Skill, vulnerable enemies will have their Resists and Skills reduced by 28%.

For Resists, this is a straight subtraction (if 90 pre-discord, they will be reduced to 62 after being discorded).

For skills, they are reduced by 28%:
120 Skill becomes 86.4
115 Skill becomes 82.8
110 Skill becomes 79.2



Apples or remove curse does not remove discord, it has to time off.
You can hide to remove it sooner or maybe invis works.
Your pet may not obey but they are not supposed to go wild anymore unless they are a Giant Beetle. You can thank McDougle and Frodo for that change.

I get a De Buff:

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This debuff is from junar?
 

Anon McDougle

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In typical UO stupidity an undead paladin is given an discord attack without having discordance...
 

Pawain

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The only Place I have been discorded is at Mel by the Satyrs. Done lots of Roofs, maybe I stay back far enough.

Yes they give special mobs powers. I have never lored him so I dont know if he has discordance.
 

Anon McDougle

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The only Place I have been discorded is at Mel by the Satyrs. Done lots of Roofs, maybe I stay back far enough.

Yes they give special mobs powers. I have never lored him so I dont know if he has discordance.
If you'd read to understand rather than just argue you would have seen i posted his stat sheet
 

Pawain

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If you'd read to understand rather than just argue you would have seen i posted his stat sheet
You posted one from a site that is made from guesses. If you want to believe it go ahead.
 

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Juo'nar doesn't possess the actual Discordance skill. What he has is actually a special melee ability that can occur when he melee attacks you. Most call it "Necrotic Touch" or "Unholy Touch", it temporarily lowers your skills for like 10-15 secs, hiding/invissing or going off screen has no effect on it's duration.
 

Pawain

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Juo'nar doesn't possess the actual Discordance skill. What he has is actually a special melee ability that can occur when he melee attacks you. Most call it "Necrotic Touch" or "Unholy Touch", it temporarily lowers your skills for like 10-15 secs, hiding/invissing or going off screen has no effect on it's duration.
Good Info. Thats why I never had it hit me. I use my pet. lol I have even made a box in a corner with E Fields so they cant get close to me. :)

The devs can give Mobs special powers as I said. There are many of them.
 

Anon McDougle

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Good Info. Thats why I never had it hit me. I use my pet. lol I have even made a box in a corner with E Fields so they cant get close to me. :)

The devs can give Mobs special powers as I said. There are many of them.
Should show in buff/debuff bar regardless of what it's called...as i said sloppy coding
 

Pawain

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Should show in buff/debuff bar regardless of what it's called...as i said sloppy coding
When you and popps make a game you can code everything in. I am fine with new stuff not mixing in the spaghetti.

Does the roof work? Yes. Does this need fixed? No.

If you are so concerned, go fix that wiki page that says discordance. Or you just complain and do nothing?
Be proactive and not just negative after the fact.
 

Anon McDougle

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When you and popps make a game you can code everything in. I am fine with new stuff not mixing in the spaghetti.

Does the roof work? Yes. Does this need fixed? No.
Tell that to the OP that lost a pet no wait you'll blame it on them
 

Pawain

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Tell that to the OP that lost a pet no wait you'll blame it on them

Like I said if they lost a pet, it was a Beetle and YOU and Frodo are to blame for that.

Do I need to link the thread I told you this would happen and you said too bad we want EJs not having beetles.

And The OP never said they lost a pet.
 

Pawain

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I had nothing to do with those pet changes silly
First all pets were not going to be able to go wild. Publish 110 then changed it because you and Frodo kept whining about EJ accounts having beetles that don't go wild. Don't act like you do not hate EJ accounts, Silly!

Then in these three threads you 2 were defending beetles going wild.

 

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First all pets were not going to be able to go wild. Publish 110 then changed it because you and Frodo kept whining about EJ accounts having beetles that don't go wild. Don't act like you do not hate EJ accounts, Silly!

Then in these three threads you 2 were defending beetles going wild.

If i defend them going wild how could I be responsible for them making it so they cant??
And just because i want to limit EJ to haven only doesn't mean i hate them . I do however hate the let's go free to play with pay to win but not admit model the developers have given us..
 

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for them making it so they cant??
Umm you 2 were wanting them to go wild because you did not want EJ accounts to use them, The publish originally made all pets not go wild. But you 2 got it changed so Pack pets would still go wild because you were afraid EJ accounts would somehow exploit it. I don't know how I can explain this to you better.
 

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My you're special for my next move i will use my total influence over the developers and get instruments made equipable and my top hat made into a valid transmog target sometimes your ignorance is overwhelming
 

Pawain

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You just want to deny the Devs do things that players ask, even when they do what you 2 asked for. Mr. overwhelming.
 

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Good Info. Thats why I never had it hit me. I use my pet. lol I have even made a box in a corner with E Fields so they cant get close to me. :)

The devs can give Mobs special powers as I said. There are many of them.
When your pet hits Juo'nar, he can teleport you to him. Sometimes he'll switch to attacking the tamer then, especially if he hits the Tamer with AoE from Wither or Poison Strike right after he teleports the Tamer to him. The Tamer can be afflicted with Necrotic Touch then.
 

Ungoliant

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I run 115 necro on my sampire because of instances of being 'discorded' by Juo'nar dropped me out of vampiric embrace when I ran necro at 100.
 

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When Jou'nar discords a tamer, how far down does the tamer's skill go? If a tamer had natural 120's on taming and lore, but also had taming and lore skill jewels on, if that tamer got discorded, would those jewels have any effect on the outcome of the total skills lost to the discord? Would an enchanted apple get rid of the discord effect, and if so, how much time would the tamer have to eat that apple before losing control of his/her pet?
One tip: for juo’nar, issue an ”all guard me”, and then optionally hit juo’nar with an attack/spell to immediately cause the pet to engage. Don’t issue other commands to the pet until juo’nar is dead, if possible.

i believe “overcapping” taming and lore +15 with jewels can compensate for the necrotic touch. ‘135‘ taming, ‘123’ lore for typical 5 slot pets. That was the case long ago, anyway - If the reduction values to taming and lore exceed -15, per the skill tracker window, adjust the overcapping to keep taming 120, lore 108.

as noted, the pet won’t go wild if you issue commands and skills have dropped below 120 Taming, 108 lore.
However, if the pet disobeys due to an command, and too low skill, it’s generally no longer attacking or defending itself…
 
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Anon McDougle

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One tip: for juo’nar, issue an ”all guard me”, and then optionally hit juo’nar with an attack/spell to immediately cause the pet to engage. Don’t issue other commands to the pet until juo’nar is dead, if possible.

i believe “overcapping” taming and lore +15 with jewels can compensate for the necrotic touch. ‘135‘ taming, ‘123’ lore for typical 5 slot pets. That was the case long ago, anyway - If the reduction values to taming and lore exceed -15, per the skill tracker window, adjust the overcapping to keep taming 120, lore 108.

as noted, the pet won’t go wild if you issue commands and skills have dropped below 120 Taming, 108 lore.
However, if the pet disobeys due to an command, and too low skill, it’s generally no longer attacking or defending itself…
And pets no longer go wild ever
 

Scott1234

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Shouldn't we really be asking why does a lich paladin have a disco attack?
why bother? The odds of it changing are approximately zero.

And pets no longer go wild ever
See my text you replied to: “the pet won’t go wild if you issue commands and skills have dropped below 120 Taming, 108 lore.”
the important part is the pet stops attacking and defending
 

gwen

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Shouldn't we really be asking why does a lich paladin have a disco attack?
It is from same long list of questions like "why dread pirate don't drop dread pirate hat", "why you cannot cast spells /use specials in Unicorn or Cu Sidhe form" and many more.
 

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Shouldn't we really be asking why does a lich paladin have a disco attack?
D&D lore. In Dungeons & Dragons, the touch of most Liches is highly necrotic, able to inflict a variety of debilitating effects on the victim, from physical weakness, disease, paralysis, or sometimes even death or soul weakness to anyone physically grabbed by a Lich. In the Forgotten Realms' "Haunted Lands" book series, the lich Szass Tam (who happens to be the arch villain in the upcoming D&D movie) accidentally killed his prisoner, Yaphyll, by grabbing her.
 
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