It's Time! VvV Arties

[Bo Bo]

can someone please remind the bo why we don't have access to VvV arties on siege. This is something that needs to happen. Yall made bo play your way for the last few years, and last night was the last straw. Bo did this hugely boring long ass quest and what was the reward a friggin title. are you kiddin the bo, bo spent hours farming for a title. Let the people who want to have access to these have it.
and please don't come with the argument the pvpers will kill us while we farm. well what the hell has happened over the last couple of years without the arties. yall still died to a pvper. Stop making bo play your game it sucks! a friggin scroll for a title. what a joke!

 

[TheDrAJ]

As long as anyone can use them - i have no problem with arties.
That way the Bo can make a fortune selling them.
Course I thought Bo was good enough not to need any arties.

 

[Tjalle]

What was the title?

 

[Forsaken]

What does some quest line for a title even have to do with VvV arties? .......

It won't happen, this server is too set on, 'All or not at all'. I would like to put my $0.02 in though and state that the current VvV system is so broken that if arties were implemented on Siege Perilous that you could literally put together PvP suits around VvV arties and go orange when PvPing, and leave VvV to be blue anytime you wanted. It is totally different than Factions in that aspect and they already lowered the stat loss tremendously. Farming towns for points/silver is simple enough and you get 2000 points to start with.

Either way though, this was an issue well before VvV was thought of here so....Good luck!

 

[Bo Bo]

As long as anyone can use them - i have no problem with arties.
That way the Bo can make a fortune selling them.
Course I thought Bo was good enough not to need any arties.

at what point in time have you ever gotten to wear any of bo's gear? why would it matter if you could or not? since you will never have the chance.
and if you want to wear the gear join VvV.

 

[Bo Bo]

What was the title?

it is some scroll

 

[Drakelord]

I voiced my Opinion concerning equipment from VvV ages ago and I still stated that if they allowed ALL to equip said gear once liberated from Bandits then I would be all for it. As it is now once you remove a piece off of a dead bandit you would not be able to equip it as your own, leaving only two options, sell it back to the owner or toss it in the trash. So they would have to have VERY deep pockets if they were disliked across the shard (As were a few from before that seem to not be around now).

 

[Forsaken]

As it is presently, I'd trash or cut up armor for about 98% of the server. I hate seeing trash gear and bare minimum imbued armor. It's why people will never win PvP.

20 yrs later and people still practically dress like GM armor days. Boring....

 

[Bo Bo]

I voiced my Opinion concerning equipment from VvV ages ago and I still stated that if they allowed ALL to equip said gear once liberated from Bandits then I would be all for it. As it is now once you remove a piece off of a dead bandit you would not be able to equip it as your own, leaving only two options, sell it back to the owner or toss it in the trash. So they would have to have VERY deep pockets if they were disliked across the shard (As were a few from before that seem to not be around now).

Seriously when was the last time you killed anyone that would be sporting VvV armor? when you answer with the word never, how does VvV armor affect you than?

 

[Drakelord]

Seriously when was the last time you killed anyone that would be sporting VvV armor? when you answer with the word never, how does VvV armor affect you than?

Never on Siege, normally I am the one killed. Besides, there are no items here. I do have some on Sonoma. Since they are blessed items the only way I was able to get them was a idoc, and I cannot wear them as they are owner bound. Any VvV items here would not be blessed. The exception being the one Siege item blessed. However, if they were to remove the owner bound tag then I would say go for it. Bring it here. Then if I was lucky enough to loot a bandit I could wear that item until such a time they looted me.

 

[Forsaken]

What a selfish response. Only if I could wear loot I get while stealthing around, do I want said items implemented. Lol gtfo

 

[TheDrAJ]

I luv it when pkers just want things easier for themselves. (and Bo - if you never die why do you need these items at all?)
The fact that controversy existed when this was discussed last time is proof that arties for VvV is not wanted by the vast majority of the shard's residents. All the non VvV people wanted was to be able to wear an item they might have gained by defending themselves.

 

[Tjalle]

(As were a few from before that seem to not be around now).

I guess Virem didn´t like me dry looting him over and over so he left...

 

[Freelsy]

I luv it when pkers just want things easier for themselves. (and Bo - if you never die why do you need these items at all?)
The fact that controversy existed when this was discussed last time is proof that arties for VvV is not wanted by the vast majority of the shard's residents. All the non VvV people wanted was to be able to wear an item they might have gained by defending themselves.

So no risk for you, yet you gain all the benefits. Sounds about right.

The games top items are too rare to risk losing on this shard. It's sieges ultimate downfall in my opinion. The game has evolved but the shards rules have not.

 

[TheDrAJ]

So no risk for you, yet you gain all the benefits. Sounds about right.

The games top items are too rare to risk losing on this shard. It's sieges ultimate downfall in my opinion. The game has evolved but the shards rules have not.

To get one I would have to kill a VvV attacking me (or buy one) - how is that no risk?

Plus my biggest objection is I know that you can exploit VvV to get items quickly.

 

[Tyrath]

To get one I would have to kill a VvV attacking me (or buy one) - how is that no risk?

Plus my biggest objection is I know that you can exploit VvV to get items quickly.

To get one (actually several) would be to join VvV. AS it is there is nothing worth joining VvV for on Siege IMO. At least with Factions I could farm and sell silver Only downside is you can get whacked in the GZs which is minimal risk since most everyone stealths into the banks.

 

[Bo Bo]

I luv it when pkers just want things easier for themselves. (and Bo - if you never die why do you need these items at all?)
The fact that controversy existed when this was discussed last time is proof that arties for VvV is not wanted by the vast majority of the shard's residents. All the non VvV people wanted was to be able to wear an item they might have gained by defending themselves.

Luv it when do nothings try to make siege harder than it needs to be.
Why would the Bo want access to pvp gear. HMMM maybe to pvp with. that gear is specifically made for pvp, hence making it easier to put a pvp suit together. you can not put pvp suits together very easily without this gear. If you ever pvped you would understand, but you don't want to understand. You just want to stand on other side of fence barking for no reason. When was the last time you were pked on siege? how many times have you been pked on siege since VvV started? what makes you think that number would increase if the VvV arties were added? It makes no sense, why we wouldn't get content that is intended to help pvpers? Are you saying that you are forcing bo into farming and crafting? So you are forcing the Bo to play your playstyle? WHY? Bo doesn't want to play pvm/crafter. Bo wants to pvp, why should Bo need farm to pvp?

 

[TheDrAJ]

Luv it when do nothings try to make siege harder than it needs to be.
Why would the Bo want access to pvp gear. HMMM maybe to pvp with. that gear is specifically made for pvp, hence making it easier to put a pvp suit together. you can not put pvp suits together very easily without this gear. If you ever pvped you would understand, but you don't want to understand. You just want to stand on other side of fence barking for no reason. When was the last time you were pked on siege? how many times have you been pked on siege since VvV started? what makes you think that number would increase if the VvV arties were added? It makes no sense, why we wouldn't get content that is intended to help pvpers? Are you saying that you are forcing bo into farming and crafting? So you are forcing the Bo to play your playstyle? WHY? Bo doesn't want to play pvm/crafter. Bo wants to pvp, why should Bo need farm to pvp?

I love personal attacks. Seems it is so easy to call other people names.

Do nothing? I've been on the shard much much longer than almost anyone. I play almost everyday (on average about 2+ hours).
Because I don't shoot my mouth off in general chat or go around griefing or killing people - I'm a do nothing?
PvP peeps try to kill me and ruin my playing style but do you hear me complain?

etc etc etc

I agree no one should be forced to pvp or pvm or to craft.
But what does this have to do with VvV artifacts? - nothing of course!
I think some players just want an easy button to gear up for pvp - and I don't care about that one way or another.
I just want a level playing surface for all.

I am not against VvV artifacts - I am only against the fact that people have to be forced to join VvV to wear them. Make them wearable by anyone and I have no problem.

 

[Bo Bo]

I love personal attacks. Seems it is so easy to call other people names.

Do nothing? I've been on the shard much much longer than almost anyone. I play almost everyday (on average about 2+ hours).
Because I don't shoot my mouth off in general chat or go around griefing or killing people - I'm a do nothing?
PvP peeps try to kill me and ruin my playing style but do you hear me complain?

etc etc etc

I agree no one should be forced to pvp or pvm or to craft.
But what does this have to do with VvV artifacts? - nothing of course!
I think some players just want an easy button to gear up for pvp - and I don't care about that one way or another.
I just want a level playing surface for all.

I am not against VvV artifacts - I am only against the fact that people have to be forced to join VvV to wear them. Make them wearable by anyone and I have no problem.

Bo didn't attack anyone! and you answered none of Bo's questions. All you are saying is you want to make the game harder for a part of the community you no ZERO about. The thing with vvv arties they are accessible to anyone who wants to pvp, because they are made for PVP! sure getting them might be easier than other items, but good luck keeping them. That is why they are more accessible.
as for how long you been on the shard so what you been here for years. not interacting with the community certainly doesn't make you part of something. maybe bo knows ya but not the fake name you using here. whatever stop tryin to change bo's thread to your pity party!

 

[Bo Bo]

I love personal attacks. Seems it is so easy to call other people names.

Do nothing? I've been on the shard much much longer than almost anyone. I play almost everyday (on average about 2+ hours).
Because I don't shoot my mouth off in general chat or go around griefing or killing people - I'm a do nothing?
PvP peeps try to kill me and ruin my playing style but do you hear me complain?
I am not against VvV artifacts - I am only against the fact that people have to be forced to join VvV to wear them. Make them wearable by anyone and I have no problem.

the more bo thinks on this the more bo is amazed. Where and when is all this killing and griefing going on? and who is runnin there mouth off in gen chat?? this seems like you have a hatred towards whatever shard you are playing, and for sure that isn't Siege.

 

[HoldenCaulfield]

Lol, it sounds like everyone in this thread would both be for VvV artifacts if they are useable by all. Is that correct, I think I comprehended all these posts?

So why is Bo not in support of useable by all? They would have to join VvV to farm them or kill someone who had them. Is there something I am missing or can you move forward with that proposal?

 

[Troll The T Hunter]

I think they should be useable by all. As Holden pointed out why do the pvpers care if someone who isn't in VvV has one? that's just one more person to pk and take it from.

 

[Bo Bo]

bo could care less about who could use them. Bo wants them on siege.
now bo is a realist the powers that be will say too much coding, and we would be back at square one.

 

[Tyrath]

bo could care less about who could use them. Bo wants them on siege.
now bo is a realist the powers that be will say too much coding, and we would be back at square one.

I don't think too much coding would be a viable excuse as the coding is there, it just needs activated on siege. While I don't PvP I think this should be implemented . If Bo finds me, Bo is going to kill me fast whether Bo is wearing VvV items or not. Making this gear readily available on Siege would improve the PvP aspect of Siege. It really would have zero impact on non PvPs. Sorry but as it is now there is not much Perilous on Siege Perilous. Its actually less dangerous on Siege that it is in Fel Prodo and something just seems wrong with that

 

[Blind Otto]

Someone or something killed me just the other day. I didn't see who it was, so I'm going to give Bo the credit.
Bo may have been wearing VvV equipment, or a snazzy wedding dress. I respect Bo too much to question Bo's choices of garb.
I do request that everyone start wearing studded leather with their name on it in braille studs so that I don't give Bo too much credit, or too little, every time that I die.
If anyone can think of a way to get the monsters to do the same, I'd appreciate it.
Thanks for listening.

 

[Freelsy]

If it's easy to remove the owned by tag, so be it. Bring the VvV artifacts to Siege.

 

[DarkLotus[FL]]

seems like the problem here is that the noobs that don't pvp don't want to have to go refarm the cities to get back their arties after dieing to a pvper with skill
SO with that being said just make all the VvV arties Blessed for the person and bring them back they are all antique so they will have to go farm for another eventually
THEN its just a matter of finding them when they are doing the city
Seems fair to me
But what do I know.

 

[Max Blackoak]

blesssed? absolutely not!

I'm not surprised that you out of all people suggest blessed artifacts though...

 

[Bo Bo]

VvV arties should be added. adding blessings is another convo. The Bo has believed for years that adding like 3-4 more blessings would actually increase population.

 

[Max Blackoak]

I'd be open to adding an additional Siege bless so everyone can have two items blessed - for most things this would be more than enough.

But having only the VvV artifacts blessed (and more than just one) would really be a bit too much of an imbalance in my opinion

 

[Max Blackoak]

...and in light of the recent invasion drops I absolutely see a need to have a blessed drop for dexxers that equals the ridiculous mods on those invasion books.
or unbless those books, although I understand that this is not a good idea after they have been in the game for so long now - they did this to the despicable quiver though, so...
The most obvious choice would be a talisman item similar to the enchantress' cameo with hci, dmg, ssi etc.

 

[n00bPvper]

So, when will they finally add the VvVs on Siege?

 

[TheDrAJ]

PROBABLY NEVER but who knows.

 

[Critical Gaming]

@Bo they don't even know half of the VvV system that they're against. Currently VvV on siege means you get a cool mount and can use supernovas and soon as I enlightened this DrAj guy about this in the last thread he wanted VvV horses and novas taken out LOLLLLL

Not a single argument he ever made has been applicable or sensible - it's always been selfish and non-entertaining of all valid arguments with demonstrated points. This is a guy you can't debate with. He's not researched or experienced in anything outside his little box.

VvV arties need to be on Siege otherwise it will forever be a (retardedly) broken trammie shard. Every single PvPer that came here who knows how VvV works was instantly able to see that VvV arties are the most obvious, easy fix to make Siege fun again. VvV as-original is actually a system that I think works on Siege better than prodo shards, as the points need to be continually farmed due to no insurance.

 

[TheDrAJ]

@Bo they don't even know half of the VvV system that they're against. Currently VvV on siege means you get a cool mount and can use supernovas and soon as I enlightened this DrAj guy about this in the last thread he wanted VvV horses and novas taken out LOLLLLL

Not a single argument he ever made has been applicable or sensible - it's always been selfish and non-entertaining of all valid arguments with demonstrated points. This is a guy you can't debate with. He's not researched or experienced in anything outside his little box.

VvV arties need to be on Siege otherwise it will forever be a (retardedly) broken trammie shard. Every single PvPer that came here who knows how VvV works was instantly able to see that VvV arties are the most obvious, easy fix to make Siege fun again. VvV as-original is actually a system that I think works on Siege better than prodo shards, as the points need to be continually farmed due to no insurance.

lol - do you actually read the threads?

 

[Nonel]

If it could be made so anyone could wear them, fine. No qualms there; it creates more of a farming market out of VvV which leads to more VvV encounters in towns. Awesome. However, if this cannot be done (a lot of the faction system that VvV piggybacked on is shared across shards, some things cannot be changed for 1 shard) than it shouldn't preclude VvV arties from being added. They aren't the overpowered monstrosities they were back when they were first introduced in factions. They really don't grant any advantage, outside of making it easier/quicker to get a basic functioning suit going. Ease of access has always been the key to getting new blood (or returning old blood) PvP'ing. This is a good thing.

 

[Igg A Pie]

personally i dont like the fact they nurffed the arties out mostly because i am a purest. i feel like if they introduce the content it should be used like it is suspossed to be. all the being said, i am just going to ask...............what is the difference if we have vvv arties or not though? the only reason i say that is, we are still all on the same playing field with or without them. if vvv arties were implemented, if you wanted the arties thru the vvv system for pvp you got them. if you want to use arties for pvm you could have them. without them implemnted, we all are on the same level as far as not having access to them, so stat wise we are all equal and we all share the same risk/reward of having to farm them for use.

I understand that if your vvv you are now orange and can be freely attacked and what not, but guys(and gals)............this is siege. it is a fel ruleset shard. we already live under the the fact you can be attacked where ever you go. im not sure what the difference is.

my only quick fix solution to this would be give the pvpers the arties in vvv and for the pvpmers increase the drop rate of arties in doom, navery, dreadhorn, ect....if the devs(or whoever) can change the code to get rid of vvv arties, surely they can ramp up the drop rate for arties or make doom drops available on all bosses. i wont say its a perfect solution but may be a good starting point