In game EVENTs : just for a few or as much open to all as possible ?

[WootSauce]

Popps, serious question, how often do you try to attend Em events? I ask because this is basically all i do in game, and i have no problem doing so. Please detail how often you check your resources, and which ones that you consult - both stratics and otherwise. I typically find each event broadcasted through multiple sources, so i am failing to see your point here.

 

[Zyon Rockler]

I think there is a difference in perspective. You have to remember it might be just a game but I pay real money to play it and if i'm paying my money for these events and I am not being told about them so that I can participate, then why should I pay to play the game?

This is my perspective. I demand quality and I want things to work a certain way and that's all there is to it.

When I play UO it's so that I can forget about the rest of the world. That's why we have surround sound and big screens and pay thousands of dollars for our computers and thousands of dollars for our internet connections, so that we can choose whatever it is that we want and do that. So, when i'm playing UO, then the way I get my information is through UO.

Why would I want to go to Stratics. This takes you out of the game and places you back into real life. Now all of a sudden you're no longer in UO, you're on a website, searching for something you're not even sure exists.

This is bad game design in my opinion. Why don't they put a letter in my mailbox that I have locked down at my tower? I open my mailbox and there is a letter, it says, "Please come to our event," or maybe the town crier could actually tell you there is an event in advance. Are these concepts really that complicated and why can't the EMs say in chat, "I'm going to start an event soon." This would make the game to easy?

There are alot of issues with the events. Letting people know that they exist is the first step. If they can't even do that, they might as well forget it because all it is going to do is get people upset and before long there is going to be a problem. It's simply human nature.

Town criers used to tell you that orcs were sighted for like, one week before an orc actually spawned in said area. So people knew about the events and they would grow over time so that more and more people would know about it. A couple weeks would pass before the climax, where the whole shard would then know the conclusion. Now, we just log on and find out that we missed more events. Those are the facts.

 

[popps]

Many people know about the events and simply choose not to come.[/FONT]

Now, that looked interesting to me........

Are you perhaps saying, let me understand if I got it right, that a good number of players actually have knowledge of the Events where they can get rares (haven't Events become a "new rares" factory.... ?) to then sell for tens upon tens of UO millions and they simply choose not to go rather than because they had no idea about the Event or knew about it with too little advance notice that they could organize their lives to attend ?

Gold is so much unwanted to players in this game ?

Quite surprising......

I think otherwise, though.......

 

[popps]

Town criers used to tell you that orcs were sighted for like, one week before an orc actually spawned in said area. So people knew about the events and they would grow over time so that more and more people would know about it. A couple weeks would pass before the climax, where the whole shard would then know the conclusion. Now, we just log on and find out that we missed more events. Those are the facts.

Do Events really need special items (the "new" rares, so to speak....) to have people participate ?

I say no.

I see Events as role playing fragments within a storyline and items should NEVER be the reason to participate to them.

Yes, I can understand the reason, sometimes (definately not all the times...), that a special item might be created and given to some players for the roleplaying purpose but to see Events just work as a factory for "new" rares where many players' only interest is then to cash in tens upon tens of UO millions from them is sad for me.

Special items obtained from Events should NOT be tradeable with other accounts, period. Once a special Event item is created and given to a participant of that Event the special item bonds permanently with that account and should not even be touchable by any other account. Can only be deleted in a trash bin or displayed in a house locked down, but not given to anyone else.

Players should attend to Events for the fun of it, to participate to a storyline and be part of it but never to profit from them.

I do not know others but personally, I think that I would enjoy my participation to Events much more and have much more fun if those Events were attended only by players interested in the Event "per se" and not in the special items that they might profit from it......

There is so little in this game for roleplaying and already so much to profit from.

It would be a nice thing if Events were left a niche to enjoy roleplaying in a roleplaying game that has so little roleplaying and not be yet another means of profit for players who already have so many other ways to profit gold in this game.

I am convinced that Events would be much better for the game and all players if participants could not profit from the special items that are created in them.

 

[Farsight]

Do Events really need special items (the "new" rares, so to speak....) to have people participate ?

I say no.

I see Events as role playing fragments within a storyline and items should NEVER be the reason to participate to them.

I say yes.
1. Events wouldn't be the same without the people involved, even if I don't like some of their behaviors or understand their play style.
2. The official UO staff should cater to as much of the player-base as they can. If they only catered to the roleplayers, then there would be huge shouts of favoritism (even more-so than there already is).

Yes, I can understand the reason, sometimes (definately not all the times...), that a special item might be created and given to some players for the roleplaying purpose but to see Events just work as a factory for "new" rares where many players' only interest is then to cash in tens upon tens of UO millions from them is sad for me.

Sad for you, maybe, but different people play differently. I don't understand how people can sit around and make armor day after day, but I wouldn't call their playstyle "sad".

Special items obtained from Events should NOT be tradeable with other accounts, period. Once a special Event item is created and given to a participant of that Event the special item bonds permanently with that account and should not even be touchable by any other account. Can only be deleted in a trash bin or displayed in a house locked down, but not given to anyone else.

If you don't like that items can be traded, then don't trade them. Different strokes... etc. (this is getting to be a theme for this post)

Players should attend to Events for the fun of it, to participate to a storyline and be part of it but never to profit from them.

They do attend for the fun of it. Profit, to some, is fun.

I do not know others but personally, I think that I would enjoy my participation to Events much more and have much more fun if those Events were attended only by players interested in the Event "per se" and not in the special items that they might profit from it......

You repeat yourself, so I repeat myself. See above repetitions.

There is so little in this game for roleplaying and already so much to profit from.

It would be a nice thing if Events were left a niche to enjoy roleplaying in a roleplaying game that has so little roleplaying and not be yet another means of profit for players who already have so many other ways to profit gold in this game.

For my "niche" roleplaying, I don't need a paid UO employee to guide my actions. Roleplay is an every day activity in my UO. Sorry that you don't see the same thing.

I am convinced that Events would be much better for the game and all players if participants could not profit from the special items that are created in them.

Profit is... ahh, forget it. I've said it enough.

 

[Lord Chaos]

This!!! Honestly do you have to have someone telling you everything you need to do all day long?

Because thats how the world works. We have calenders and planners in mobile phones, we have people scheduling what we need to do, etc.

I do my thing at work and I know what I'm supposed to do and when I don't need someone telling me...

Its a job...if you start comparing this to a computer game, then there's something wrong.

School same thing...

Its education, something vital in life, again not a game. Please stop comparing things which have nothing to do with eachother.

Why do you need someone telling you what you are missing in a game your supposed to be playing for fun to enjoy because you like it?

So you CAN play it and have fun. Instead of NOT playing.

 

[popps]

2. The official UO staff should cater to as much of the player-base as they can. If they only catered to the roleplayers, then there would be huge shouts of favoritism (even more-so than there already is).

I will answer to this because that is what I believe gets to the core of what Events should be, IMHO.

How many ways do players have to make profit in Ultima Online ? A LOT.

How many opportunities are there in Ultima Online which was born a multiplayer roleplaying game to do roleplaying ? Hardly any if not from self organized players which clash against the limits of what players can do in the game and change it.

Event Moderators have quite more possibilities than players to run roleplaying storylines and make small changes to the game which yet fit in nicely with the role playing.

What I am trying to say, is that Events seem to be perfectly tailored for roleplaying, especially when run by Moderators even with the limited powers they have and I do not see why this unique and sole chance that role playing can find a haven in Ultima Online should be endangered by other players not much interested in Events for their role playing characteristics but only because of the profit that the specially created items can bring.

That is, is my opinion, I would like and prefer to see Events be the exclusive territory for role playing in Ultima Online and have players seeking profit opportunities go look elsewhere in this game. It is not that UO lacks opportunities to make gold, does it ?

 

[Fink]

I'm fairly sure an updated gump would require a publish or client patch, which the EMs don't do. And it would be different for every shard, surely.

Just go see the town crier.

 

[MalagAste]

No I'm serious and Yes Popps this may come as a "shock" to you but I know dozens of folk who actually KNOW there is an event happening.... but they choose not to join.

How do I know they know..... I've told them.

And this may come as a biggers shock... but some folk don't care about "rares" or things of that nature.

And other folk don't care for PvM... just like many don't care for PvP... it's a players choice.

If you choose to remain in the dark by not reading about the events and checking the EM website and things of this nature then I'm sorry but you'll stay in the dark.

As for the start up screen... I never see it. I use the EC and in order for me to speak in vent while in the game I have to boot the game from the exe not the patcher.... therefore I never ever see that screen unless I know there is a patch... how do I know there is a patch? I read Stratics, the UO Herald and many other websites to keep informed because I care to know about my game.

I would be actually irritated as all get out if I had to put up with some stupid gump telling me crap I already know everytime I log into the game... by the time I log in to play... I've already committed myself to playing... not more reading... I've already done that. By that time I am ready to play and go to the new adventure what ever that may be.

Infact by the time I log into game and they put any stupid gump in likely case is I'd have known about said event happening for quite some time.

Perhaps you should use a day planner or calendar to not "miss" things.... read and put them into your calendar... and quit trying to mess up things for everyone else because of your lack of ability to find information you so desperately desire or because you are so lazy that you feel that everyone should drop everything to tell you what to do and when to do it.

Infact I'll go so far as to say this... I'd much rather the DEV's spent their time doing development things than tell you about every little thing going on in game that you could already know if you just used the tools already available to you.

 

[RavenWinterHawk]

Now, that looked interesting to me........

Are you perhaps saying, let me understand if I got it right, that a good number of players actually have knowledge of the Events where they can get rares (haven't Events become a "new rares" factory.... ?) to then sell for tens upon tens of UO millions and they simply choose not to go rather than because they had no idea about the Event or knew about it with too little advance notice that they could organize their lives to attend ?

Gold is so much unwanted to players in this game ?

Quite surprising......

I think otherwise, though.......

Popps
I see tons of events. I don't go. Why? Lag.
Seriously, the time, the lag, the hours of the event. Its not worth it.

What do I do? I wait till the xshards bring the stuff. I buy a few for a lower price then silliness. I try and make about 20%. Once I make some profit I buy the event items I like and keep them.

I really don't understand why you think your generalization represent the UO world. Your opinions count sure. But you tend to make a lot of generalized statments and proceed from there.

 

[Lord Chaos]

I'm fairly sure an updated gump would require a publish or client patch, which the EMs don't do. And it would be different for every shard, surely.

Just go see the town crier.

You seem to have a common theme...play it the Fink way or go.

Honestly most of us have better things to do than to go to a computer with UO and check every day...some of us have lives to tend.

 

[Lord Chaos]

As for the start up screen... I never see it. I use the EC and in order for me to speak in vent while in the game I have to boot the game from the exe not the patcher.... therefore I never ever see that screen unless I know there is a patch...

How odd, my EC works just fine with Vent.

I would be actually irritated as all get out if I had to put up with some stupid gump telling me crap I already know everytime I log into the game... by the time I log in to play... I've already committed myself to playing... not more reading... I've already done that. By that time I am ready to play and go to the new adventure what ever that may be.

Yet you want to make it a daily hassle for the vast majority of players. (aka just about all other MMOs out there and many UO players)

and quit trying to mess up things for everyone else because of your lack of ability to find information you so desperately desire or because you are so lazy that you feel that everyone should drop everything to tell you what to do and when to do it.

Or maybe YOU should stop holding UO back and get with the times.

 

[Lord Frodo]

Popps and Lord Chaos in the time you spent posting in this thread you could have looked at every Shard Forum, EM Forum, EM web site and logged into ever shard and talked to the Event anouncers.

Let me get this straight. You want a gump coming up every time you log in to tell you what is going on and what up coming events are planed on your shard. You both spend more time on Stratics then playing UO so why do you really care what is happening in UO. Lets just have an NPC for everyone to walk around with them and tell them what to do next. That way you will not miss out on anything. In the time it took me to type this I could have check my Shard/EM Forums, EM web site and talked to the Event anouncer on my shard and played UO. Instead of posting one more post go check all 4 of these resources and then go play UO. Leaving forum and logging into UO. Ta Ta

 

[Lord Chaos]

Popps and Lord Chaos in the time you spent posting in this thread you could have looked at every Shard Forum, EM Forum, EM web site and logged into ever shard and talked to the Event anouncers.

I don't want to check more than a few sites every day, period. Its dumb that a game relies so much on external sources to announce whats going on.

Let me get this straight. You want a gump coming up every time you log in to tell you what is going on and what up coming events are planed on your shard.

No, they could simply use the login screen. Its an embedded browser that goes to a webpage, simply have a selection on that webpage to select which shard(s) you want news from and then it will only display news from there, both regular, maintenance and event news. I did that on another webpage, it took like 15 minutes of work to do.

You both spend more time on Stratics then playing UO so why do you really care what is happening in UO.

Because 1. I have to post on Stratics, the devs are here and 2. I have more places where I can post than I can game. (like cell phones, laptops, netbooks, etc.)

And I care about what happens in UO because I pay for it and I play it.

Lets just have an NPC for everyone to walk around with them and tell them what to do next. That way you will not miss out on anything. In the time it took me to type this I could have check my Shard/EM Forums, EM web site and talked to the Event anouncer on my shard and played UO. Instead of posting one more post go check all 4 of these resources and then go play UO. Leaving forum and logging into UO. Ta Ta

I don't want to go check 4 different places every day just on the off chance I *MIGHT* get some event information. I am not often terribly interested in those events anyway, but this needs to be for more players than just a few. Its silly that UO has 8+ PAID employees to entertain some maybe 200+ people across all shards out of 100.000. I would honestly rather see them have 8 paid employees working on game wide events and making them better, instead of a small scope social events.

 

[Martyna Zmuir]

Now, that looked interesting to me........

Are you perhaps saying, let me understand if I got it right, that a good number of players actually have knowledge of the Events where they can get rares (haven't Events become a "new rares" factory.... ?) to then sell for tens upon tens of UO millions and they simply choose not to go rather than because they had no idea about the Event or knew about it with too little advance notice that they could organize their lives to attend ?

Gold is so much unwanted to players in this game ?

Quite surprising......

I think otherwise, though.......

*sigh*

On GL we have had an event EVERYTuesday night since March of '09. Every. Fracking. Tuesday. Players would have to be braindead not to know about them at this point. They are advertised by lantern in Britain and Luna, here on Stratics, on the GL EM website, and the GL UORPC site. They aren't hidden and mysterious by any stretch of the immagination.

Some. Choose. Not. To. Come.

Just because you may go to events to get an item you can sell for obscene ammounts doesn't mean the rest of us are.

Take some responsibility to be self informed about what's happening on your shard and stop expecting things handed to you on a silver platter.

And Popps, get off the broken record about EM items being sold. Its going to happen, there is no way to stop it - nor should there be. We don't want to listen to you complain about it.

 

[Martyna Zmuir]

Because thats how the world works. We have calenders and planners in mobile phones, we have people scheduling what we need to do, etc.

Then stop being LAZY and go to your shard's EM website. Think of it as a dayplanner for events. EVERY shard has one, and they are all in the same spot.

SHARDNAME.uoem.net

One more site to check, I hope it doesn't break you.

Its a job...if you start comparing this to a computer game, then there's something wrong.

Its called an analogy. Look it up.

I'm fairly sure an updated gump would require a publish or client patch, which the EMs don't do. And it would be different for every shard, surely.

Just go see the town crier.

You seem to have a common theme...play it the Fink way or go.

Honestly most of us have better things to do than to go to a computer with UO and check every day...some of us have lives to tend.

No, Fink is right and you're just lazy.

Yet you want to make it a daily hassle for the vast majority of players. (aka just about all other MMOs out there and many UO players)

Cry. Us. A. River.

One more site to click from your favorites list and you will be all informed.

Oh the humanity!

Or maybe YOU should stop holding UO back and get with the times.

Yes, the interwebs are SO last century... UO is whats behind the times.

I don't want to check more than a few sites every day, period. Its dumb that a game relies so much on external sources to announce whats going on.

You would rather troll Stratics then check one more website every day. Thank you for letting us know where your priorities are.

Because 1. I have to post on Stratics, the devs are here

This is just funny.


To sum it all up: Take the time out of your obviously busy Stratics trolling schedule to find out how the EMs on your shard announce their events. If you don't bother to make that minimal effort then, well, we don't care what you have to say.

 

[MalagAste]

As for the start up screen... I never see it. I use the EC and in order for me to speak in vent while in the game I have to boot the game from the exe not the patcher.... therefore I never ever see that screen unless I know there is a patch...

How odd, my EC works just fine with Vent.

I would be actually irritated as all get out if I had to put up with some stupid gump telling me crap I already know everytime I log into the game... by the time I log in to play... I've already committed myself to playing... not more reading... I've already done that. By that time I am ready to play and go to the new adventure what ever that may be.

Yet you want to make it a daily hassle for the vast majority of players. (aka just about all other MMOs out there and many UO players)

and quit trying to mess up things for everyone else because of your lack of ability to find information you so desperately desire or because you are so lazy that you feel that everyone should drop everything to tell you what to do and when to do it.

Or maybe YOU should stop holding UO back and get with the times.

I've never missed an in-game EM event save the ones scheduled on Sundays when I'm on call.

But you know what... I always know when they are.

I'm not holding anyone back... your own lazy attitude is holding you back.

Trust me I've been to more EM events and in-game events than probably 90% of the playerbase. Does that make me something? No...

Do I care if you miss one... No.

Is it my fault that 60% of the playerbase is too lazy to read a forum? No.

Is it my fault that even 50% of the players don't have the slightest clue what's on the flash screen at start-up? Nope.

Do I care? Nope.

Do I need some in-game crap to waste DEV time fixing something that isn't broken... Nope.

Seriously let go... perhaps if you played UO more and trolled less you'd have more time for UO events.

Just a thought.

 

[Lord Chaos]

I've never missed an in-game EM event save the ones scheduled on Sundays when I'm on call.

Well...perhaps that says something about you if you run around doing all that checking and running for events all the time.

I'm not holding anyone back... your own lazy attitude is holding you back.

Its not a lazy attitude, its you holding it back by arguing against it. Just go about your merry way and don't bother the discussion then.

Is it my fault that 60% of the playerbase is too lazy to read a forum? No.

No, but most of the player base really have good priorities and prioritize RL over a game and the inconvenience of lazy devs.

Is it my fault that even 50% of the players don't have the slightest clue what's on the flash screen at start-up? Nope.

The start up screen doesn't even work for many players. Its not worked for a long time and it hasn't been fixed.

Do I need some in-game crap to waste DEV time fixing something that isn't broken... Nope.

Guess what...we pay for the game just as much as you do (if not more), so what we deem important is important.

Seriously let go... perhaps if you played UO more and trolled less you'd have more time for UO events.

I don't care so much about some half cooked event...I do however care about the game and this is one of the things that makes people go to other better games that can figure things out, like announcing events.

 

[Gidge]

Now, that looked interesting to me........

Are you perhaps saying, let me understand if I got it right, that a good number of players actually have knowledge of the Events where they can get rares (haven't Events become a "new rares" factory.... ?) to then sell for tens upon tens of UO millions and they simply choose not to go rather than because they had no idea about the Event or knew about it with too little advance notice that they could organize their lives to attend ?

Gold is so much unwanted to players in this game ?

Quite surprising......

I think otherwise, though.......

Not everyone is a money grubber, and at the LS EM events when i do attend, i have stated specifically that i will kill things, but i DO NOT want to be part of the guard. i do not want a sash or recognition, SO that blows your theory.

Some DO play for the love of the game. Now i have people in my own guild that even with the UO Splash screen telling of the new treasure map features, that they logged in and with us talking about it said and i quote... "What new map stuff?"

Even if you provide info they won't see it.

Again, quit trying to dumb the game down. If you wish to hold everyone's hand, (on your shard) and/or need more play buddies, "You" take the initiative and make gates, drop runes with time and date marked, become a citizen of your community to get people involved. Use some of this typing energy you seem to have so much of and put it to good use.

You spend a lot of time reading/posting to these forums, put it to good use,
type in game, or raise your concerns with your local EM's. Talk to their face instead of behind their backs.

 

[Petra Fyde]

A little FYI.

Number of events I know about - most of them
Number of events I attend - very few
Number of event items I own - None, zero, zilch not a one.
Number of event items I have sold - none, zero, zilch, not one.
Number of event items I have bought - none, zero, zilch, not one.

Contrary to your stubbornly held belief
some people play just because they enjoy playing
some people don't need 'events' to entertain them, they have enough imagination to entertain themselves.
some people are not interested in amassing gold and will happily give away just about anything they're not actually using for their own characters.
Please disabuse yourself of the notion that everyone playing this game is an avaricious nincompoop incapable of independent thought or act.

 

[Martyna Zmuir]

I've never missed an in-game EM event save the ones scheduled on Sundays when I'm on call.

Well...perhaps that says something about you if you run around doing all that checking and running for events all the time.

Yeah, it shows that Malag likes to be a well-informed player and is actually interested enough to put forth a little effort.

I'm not holding anyone back... your own lazy attitude is holding you back.

Its not a lazy attitude, its you holding it back by arguing against it. Just go about your merry way and don't bother the discussion then.

Sorry, running from the truth makes it no less true.

Is it my fault that 60% of the playerbase is too lazy to read a forum? No.

No, but most of the player base really have good priorities and prioritize RL over a game and the inconvenience of lazy devs.

Please. You know no more about the wants/desires/whims/priorities of the playerbase than the Devs do.

Is it my fault that even 50% of the players don't have the slightest clue what's on the flash screen at start-up? Nope.

The start up screen doesn't even work for many players. Its not worked for a long time and it hasn't been fixed.

The start up/patch screen really isn't at issue here. Popps wants it to be, but, its not.

Do I need some in-game crap to waste DEV time fixing something that isn't broken... Nope.

Guess what...we pay for the game just as much as you do (if not more), so what we deem important is important.

*rolls eyes*

Based on your comment below, you are only 'deeming this important' so you can get your troll in for the day.

The Devs have far more important things to fix. Handing information to lazy players on a silver platter is not one of them. If you choose to remain uninformed, its your own damn fault.

Seriously let go... perhaps if you played UO more and trolled less you'd have more time for UO events.

I don't care so much about some half cooked event...I do however care about the game and this is one of the things that makes people go to other better games that can figure things out, like announcing events.

Please, follow these people to the other games.

 

[MalagAste]

I've never missed an in-game EM event save the ones scheduled on Sundays when I'm on call.

Well...perhaps that says something about you if you run around doing all that checking and running for events all the time.

I'm not holding anyone back... your own lazy attitude is holding you back.

Its not a lazy attitude, its you holding it back by arguing against it. Just go about your merry way and don't bother the discussion then.

Is it my fault that 60% of the playerbase is too lazy to read a forum? No.

No, but most of the player base really have good priorities and prioritize RL over a game and the inconvenience of lazy devs.

Is it my fault that even 50% of the players don't have the slightest clue what's on the flash screen at start-up? Nope.

The start up screen doesn't even work for many players. Its not worked for a long time and it hasn't been fixed.

Do I need some in-game crap to waste DEV time fixing something that isn't broken... Nope.

Guess what...we pay for the game just as much as you do (if not more), so what we deem important is important.

Seriously let go... perhaps if you played UO more and trolled less you'd have more time for UO events.

I don't care so much about some half cooked event...I do however care about the game and this is one of the things that makes people go to other better games that can figure things out, like announcing events.

Ok you are a total dolt.... did you just read what the heck you just said?

Ok you want them to waste time coding in crap into the splash screen for people because why?

Obviously not for you you just said you don't care.. and if you read the dozen or more other posts neither does anyone else ... and if you read up there to what Gidge just said she justifies my feelings... and what I myself and Martyna have continued to say.......

IT wouldn't do a dang bit of good if you had it tatooed on everyones face the instant they logged in.... most of them pay little to NO attention to the splash screen any forum and notice any anything because they don't care...

Honestly I think the only thing you do care about is posting your BS... and propaganda....

You and Popps are in a league all your own... and thankfully I'm not in that self delusional mindset that makes me feel that I need to be told everything about the game before I log in because I like to discover the game for myself

And as far as the events go ...... It's not to hard to remember on GL's that there is an EM event EVERY Tuesday night..... infact it's rather simple.... like knowing what day it is.

I can only assume you belong to the same mindset as some other folk I know who can't seem to recall after 12 years or more that Garbage day is Freaking Tuesday so Monday is the time to put the trash out.

You want a personal reminder of things get a secretary... and quit whining.

 

[Petra Fyde]

After careful consideration I've come to the conclusion that this topic is sufficiently heated to require this:

and sufficiently pointless to require this:

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