I'm not in love with EA

[Bobar]

So why do they think it is never necessary to say SORRY.

After near 4 months of mindless repetitive tasks to maintain loyalty we are told that logging in characters each day will stop the necessity to do them.

It now appears that they have got it wrong AGAIN and just logging does NOT necessarily stop decay.

So we are once more back to having to grind grind grind each relevant character every day for those of us who do not know if it is or not. How long before this gets resolved is anyones guess.

With regard to this imposition on the player base who were stupid enough to undertake maintaining Town Loyalty, will there be any kind of apology?.

Well, put it this way, I aint holding my breath,

 

[kelmo]

Just say no to the grind. I did.

 

[Sauteed Onion]

I started to worry as I was building up my Loyalty to britain because I had seen some people on here saying they were loosing loyalty even though they had be logging to make sure they didn't. I had been at adored for days before actually giving it one last little nudge last night and after like 5 rioter arrests and some garbage pickin and fire fighting, I checked my loyalty and was at Venerated.. then to make sure I got it, I went and immediately got my title.

I will not doubt in the slightest bit that some people ARE loosing loyalty, but it may be like the tamers who would occasionally deal aoe poison bug, and there is some kind of criteria for the loyalty decay that isn't known yet. Anything in particular that you can think of that you might be doing that could cause it? Do you go to Covetous and fight the waves there? Getting points for void pool or something may adversely affect your Loyalty. I dunno.

 

[Uriah Heep]

Just say no to the grind. I did.

Me too. The loyalty grind, and a few other things lately, have all seemed like i am paying every month to have a second job. So I just play what I always play, and one of these days something will catch my eye that I think would be fun. Best part of that part of the scenario was the raiders, but they were hard to find most times *shrugs*

 

[Uriah Heep]

Sauteed, doing anything in the game shouldnt affect loyalty. At least, there should be no unknown/hidden aspect to that. Remember the people who wrote the code and therefore should know whats going on are the ones who told us log in would be sufficient to keep it from decaying.

While it matters not to me, I have friends who are losing theirs even tho they logged in. :/

 

[Bobar]

[quoteI will not doubt in the slightest bit that some people ARE loosing loyalty.[/quote]

I do not doubt it either. The whole issue could have been clarified if, like so many of us asked for, we were able to see our actual points. As in their wisdom the Devs decided that was not in our best interests there is no way of knowing if you are losing Loyalty unless you see your standing drop.

What a great way to run a railway.

 

[Sauteed Onion]

Sauteed, doing anything in the game shouldnt affect loyalty. At least, there should be no unknown/hidden aspect to that. Remember the people who wrote the code and therefore should know whats going on are the ones who told us log in would be sufficient to keep it from decaying.

While it matters not to me, I have friends who are losing theirs even tho they logged in. :/

I was thinking it could be a bug in the code, which are not uncommon. I think for the moment, the minimum they could do if they aren't willing to permanently nix the decaying of "points" is at least temporarily shut it off and give it a thorough re-evaluation to ensure it is "working as intended".

 

[old gypsy]

It was fun at first, but after a while I got tired of feeling like I had no choice but to log in each day and go through the same repetitive actions just to maintain loyalty. I've since gone from Venerated to Respected and no longer care. I'm taking a "vacation" regardless of the outcome.

 

[Miri of Sonoma]

I get a message sometimes that " loyalty has been preserved" for people who don't have loyalty and never did. So I don't think it is working as intended.

 

[Adol]

I get a message sometimes that " loyalty has been preserved" for people who don't have loyalty and never did. So I don't think it is working as intended.

It's supposed to also maintain your Virtue status, so the message could be triggering from one of those, instead of city loyalty.

I have to agree with the disappointment overall though; there shouldn't be decay at all... remember that the banners still need loyalty to place, so there still needs to be some sort of final change, otherwise you won't ever be able to redeed those after the event ends. The grind is alienating as it is; I've never done the second or third parts, only the Nexus Deed because they are quite popular and the puzzles aren't too hard to do. I was considering more arresting if I could do it at my own pace without decay, to try and get some of the cities history for myself... but with them patching in a quick fix to our unhappiness which doesn't even work, well... as you can imagine, I've not had that urge return that's for sure.

 

[Sevin0oo0]

I think this is another reason why the Numbers should be shown (like fame/karma, etc), instead of being an 'ubber secret' and covered over with vague titles. That way, it seems coding could be checked in the Ultima of situations - In-Use. What they ended up with was 'ubber' alright, ubber disdain for them by players, and we don't secret our side. They want to hide these numbers, what they get in the end is 'hidden' credit card numbers by players. Figuring out things in a game are all well and good, but 'someone' needs to oversee this stuff, so when Devs get anal, someone can can say "WTF were your thinking?"

 

[Miri of Sonoma]

It's supposed to also maintain your Virtue status, so the message could be triggering from one of those, instead of city loyalty.

No the character has no (and never had) virtues either. So something is amiss or that particular message doesn't really mean anything.

 

[Sevin0oo0]

It's preserving your nothingness? I was thinking about this earlier, imo...The coding is correct, the logic path is flawed. The message is like an 'on' indicator

 

[Old Man of UO]

I get a message sometimes that " loyalty has been preserved" for people who don't have loyalty and never did.

I think it should say "Thy virtues remain intact."

 

[Lady Storm]

Sugar your not required to do squat in UO. You have the ultimate freedom to just sit and fish all day if you so desire..... This is one game you dont HAVE to do anything to play. If you dont wish to grind then dont. I for one will not fault you for it. Now if you want the goodies that go with it.... now your talking a bit of work...

 

[G.v.P]

Just say no to the grind. I did.

lol as soon as I found out it was going to take longer than a couple of days to achieve I gave up. guess I don't have the ultimate collector in me ;D

plus I heard you need loyalty to use the deeds, no?

 

[Sauteed Onion]

lol as soon as I found out it was going to take longer than a couple of days to achieve I gave up. guess I don't have the ultimate collector in me ;D

plus I heard you need loyalty to use the deeds, no?

I don't know of any loyalty deeds, I just arrested rioters, and gave 1k gold to protestors (didn't do that much the last 2 days of grinding). Took the greater portion of a week.

 

[Adol]

I don't know of any loyalty deeds, I just arrested rioters, and gave 1k gold to protestors (didn't do that much the last 2 days of grinding). Took the greater portion of a week.

Carry cooked fish steaks instead, and just drop the whole pile on them; they'll take 25 from the pile and return the rest, and the steaks weigh so much less than all the alternative routes to satisfaction, including Gold.

At Adored loyalty, you can spend 250,000 gold on a banner for that town, by right clicking the Captain by the chest with ropes in. However, you do need to stay at Adored to actually replace it. Someone who is a co-owner of the home can place their banners inside it even if you don't have the reputation, but they need of course to also stay above Adored to do so again in turn.

 

[Miri of Sonoma]

lol as soon as I found out it was going to take longer than a couple of days to achieve I gave up. guess I don't have the ultimate collector in me ;D

plus I heard you need loyalty to use the deeds, no?

as far as I know you still need loyaly to place the deed but what you need after that (as far as moving them later) is not clear to me

Oh thanks for the information Adol..good to know you don't need loyalty to place

 

[Ludes]

Isn't it part of the Ultima Online storyline fiction? I'm sure I read something about EA conquering the land of Ultima and bringing it to it's present state over a long siege.

 

[Madrid]

I have to agree with the disappointment overall though; there shouldn't be decay at all...

Agree 100% I'd like to see decay done away will all together.

I don't mind taking a hit to my fame, karma, loyalty etc if I die I or perform negative acts , that I can understand.

I've only seen the Message "Trammel & Felucca Moons" when using the CC. I haven't seen the message when logging in with the EC perhaps it could be client related. Has anyone else using the EC Client seen the message?

I appreciate the team trying to appease the players by removing the decay however the reality is there is no way I'm going to be logging in every day on my "Home Shard"with one character yet alone 7 characters not to mention the 3 other shards I have built up a long line of characters on. So in the end the idea it does very little to help with the problem of decay.

If Decay is really to be addressed it needs to be taken a step further by simply removing it entirely. Long overdue as it never should have been implemented into the game to begin with.

 

[Woodsman]

Sugar your not required to do squat in UO. You have the ultimate freedom to just sit and fish all day if you so desire..... This is one game you dont HAVE to do anything to play. If you dont wish to grind then dont. I for one will not fault you for it. Now if you want the goodies that go with it.... now your talking a bit of work...

Being required to log in every day or doing the same task over and over just to maintain something you've already earned is not "work", it's poor design and some other very strongly worded things I won't say publicly.

The devs did listen on a few things related to this and I believe they are listening on this one. I don't know what they were thinking about this one, but I think they'll listen to us, especially since many of us are taking kelmo's advice and just saying no to it.

 

[Adol]

as far as I know you still need loyaly to place the deed but what you need after that (as far as moving them later) is not clear to me

Oh thanks for the information Adol..good to know you don't need loyalty to place

If you use an axe on them they become a deed again, and if you want to put them back up, you do need to be at Adored or higher I'm afraid still. Hence why there's either got to be a change eventually to this item at least, because after the event ends, you'll never be able to redecorate with it once the current reputation is gone, or you log in every single day between now and redecoration day, and they fix the current decay prevention.

It's a very silly system indeed at the moment though.

 

[Martyna Zmuir]

While you must be Adored to purchase the banner, you only need to be Commended to place it.

 

[Ashlynn_L]

It seems a bit silly to me. I can understand having to be adored to claim it, but anyone should be able to place it. If they really wanted to place a restriction, they should have just made it one per character or something. I went and out and acquired some banners for a friend because she doesn't have the time to play much but she can't place them because she has no town loyalty. I hope that changes eventually.

 

[G.v.P]

as far as I know you still need loyaly to place the deed but what you need after that (as far as moving them later) is not clear to me

I just checked again to refresh my memory. A friend actually gifted me a banner, but because I don't have loyalty I can't use the deed.

 

[Meatbread]

God forbid all this crap didn't decay. Totally worth antagonizing the entire playerbase for no reason.

 

[MalagAste]

Just say no to the grind. I did.

I agree. I have decided to say NO to all of them.... no more sand sifting, no more killing robbers for artifacts to turn in..... no more punch cards... and no more arresting rioters for loyalty.....

 

[kelmo]

*chuckles* All I really mean by "Just say no" is if it is not something you enjoy and find fun, do the things that are fun for you. I just do not find flags and titles to be worth the effort on redundant nature of the actions to get them. Great for those that enjoy that sort of accomplishment. If I miss out on some things in the future, well that was my choice and the universe of UO goes on.

 

[Gorbs]

Here's how I would have done it: You should have been able to choose citizenship from exactly one town. By declaring your citizenship, your loyalty with that town would INCREASE every day regardless of whether you log into UO. After a set period of time (call it 3 months) your loyalty would plateau at Adored. You would still gain loyalty through the same actions we are now having to grind out. The higher levels would obviously require you to put in the work, but at least there would be no fear of decay. You could then actually tie important game content into the loyalty system instead of just deco and titles.