I don't know but it is looking like...

[Widow Maker]

All the talk about anti-cheat help was just more lip service.

We seem to have even MORE people blipping around the screen and running over trees and gravestones..

 

[ingsmsico]

this is the statement from May 21. (it has been 23 days)

note the bold text

We have collected data on 3rd party programs running in UO. At this time we are filtering the data to make certain we are not getting any false positives. Also, please know UO Assist and Mapper are not in jeopardy. We are going after very specific scripts. We have discovered some interesting trends, and will continue to monitor for some time. But … you should know how we will press forward with finding offenders.

All of the information is collected server side. The server checks for scripts running on the offending player. Please know that all the information is collected and verified server-side, this insures the CSR has confirmed data than using his or her “gut” to judge a violation. The server will check for any scripts in violation that may be running on the offending player. With that information, our Customer Support staff will be able to effectively and efficiently take action to protect the integrity of UO and keep it a fair playing experience for all.

We are hoping that as we identify and action particular players, that the news will spread and other players will join the cadre’ of those who choose to play the game as it is intended.

Again, this is stage one. This effort will take some time … and we know it’s taken a lot of patience on the community’s part to get here, but we’ll continue to improve, and we hope that this will generate renewed interest in the community in a progressively “clean” and enjoyable gaming environment.

We’re trying to come up with something creative, just, and yet… medieval for repeat violators. J

 

[Violence]

So in about a week, a month will have passed.. I've seen several of those "particular players" as Cal calls them, on Europa, still up to what they have always been doing... The usual suspects, as it is. rolleyes:

Now.. Honestly I've noticed no real increase. I could be wrong of course. The thing is, if you're up to date on information and perceptive enough then you should be able to tell which characters are played by the same players(that's to say, the same cheaters). If not, I can understand how you may think there's an increase. Then again I also see no decrease in cheaters' numbers. This is as far as PVP is concerned, I've no idea what's going on with resources farming, dupes, or anything else.

While I'm trying to be patient since this is somewhat of a "last stand" for me regarding Ultima Online, I've resorted to not bringing this up any more. It never helped in the past and it won't help now. Instead, I'm giving this whole affair another month or two and if nothing gets done I'm out. Until then I simply avoid fighting against said particular players, trying to enjoy my fights with people who don't cheat for sure and running champ spawns with my team.

That all shouldn't be too hard to do if you do enjoy UO(all the more so if you also PVM I suppose), so that's my advice to you if you want it.

Also, in my mind, if EA/M let their legit and loyal customers down this time as well.. Then those customers who will opt to keep paying, will be simply stupid. To be honest, the way this is going I wonder if I'm just stupid myself- For deciding to wait and pay even for 1-2 months more, only basing it all on EA/M going through with it this time.. It's really going against the odds, considering the past.

I'll find out I suppose.

 

[Hildebrand]

It's a shame that UO is riddled with cheats and bugs galore yet we pay $10-$15 per month. Meanwhile, there are other solid games that are "A" titles that are seemingly cheat free & bug free and are FREE or soon to be free.
I just keep hoping that some day soon the cheats are resolved.

 

[Lythos-]

For starters, it takes time to perfect such said system to indeed make sure nothing else will set off a false alarm. We ALL know how the gm/customer service is so this HAS be to taken slow and perfected before implimented. If not we could be screwed.

Lastly, the op stated running through trees. This is false, however certain people CAN run through gravestones and crates. This is an art mod change on the users end and in no way detectable by any method. I don't like it one bit either and in one of my previous posts i suggested the devs change the tiles to make these items passable by everyone to even the playing field.

 

[Cetric]

this is the statement from May 21. (it has been 23 days)

note the bold text

That approach might have worked two years ago.

 

[Coppelia]

If there are still cheaters after that empty threat, EA will frown intensively. Spread the word. rolleyes:

 

[RawHeadRex]

We have collected data on 3rd party programs running in UO. At this time we are filtering the data to make certain we are not getting any false positives. Also, please know UO Assist and Mapper are not in jeopardy. We are going after very specific scripts. We have discovered some interesting trends, and will continue to monitor for some time. But … you should know how we will press forward with finding offenders.

All of the information is collected server side. The server checks for scripts running on the offending player. Please know that all the information is collected and verified server-side, this insures the CSR has confirmed data than using his or her “gut” to judge a violation. The server will check for any scripts in violation that may be running on the offending player. With that information, our Customer Support staff will be able to effectively and efficiently take action to protect the integrity of UO and keep it a fair playing experience for all.

We are hoping that as we identify and action particular players, that the news will spread and other players will join the cadre’ of those who choose to play the game as it is intended.

Again, this is stage one. This effort will take some time … and we know it’s taken a lot of patience on the community’s part to get here, but we’ll continue to improve, and we hope that this will generate renewed interest in the community in a progressively “clean” and enjoyable gaming environment.

We’re trying to come up with something creative, just, and yet… medieval for repeat violators.

 

[Lord Chaos]

We are hoping that as we identify and action particular players, that the news will spread and other players will join the cadre’ of those who choose to play the game as it is intended.

Or more likely it will simply make more and more people quit.

 

[Lord Chaos]

Also, its likely because of their detection that the client is more disconnect and crash prone than ever. Hell, get "Connection Lost" sometimes when just walking around, not even having UOA or UOC running.

 

[RawHeadRex]

Or more likely it will simply make more and more people quit.

let the chips fall where they may.

 

[Picus at the office]

Well it sure seems like they can come out with all sorts of fixes and stuff but the real issues never seem to come.

Factions, while defending the base is boring IMO it was fine. Huge expasion, nice eye candy and fun for a month but it's almost ran out of content for me and hence back to fel I go. New client, again?

To think of all the time and cost these three listed items have used and speeding is still just a everyday event makes me want to sigh.

If EA/M has a slight clue it would take all but a second for them to log on ANY server to see the speed happen every day. Stuck with thier collective heads in the sand.

 

[RawHeadRex]

Well it sure seems like they can come out with all sorts of fixes and stuff but the real issues never seem to come.

Factions, while defending the base is boring IMO it was fine. Huge expasion, nice eye candy and fun for a month but it's almost ran out of content for me and hence back to fel I go. New client, again?

To think of all the time and cost these three listed items have used and speeding is still just a everyday event makes me want to sigh.

If EA/M has a slight clue it would take all but a second for them to log on ANY server to see the speed happen every day. Stuck with thier collective heads in the sand.

took me a minute to digest this.
IMHO they are doing both. Continuing to develop new content while trying to address the 'third party' issue. They know about speeders and scripters in the game, no need to log in to see it with their own eyes. imho the only people who will 'leave' are the ones from other shards trying to compensate for their latency/lag while visiting other shards to pvp. they won't leave the game entirely.

 

[Arcus]

took me a minute to digest this.
IMHO they are doing both. Continuing to develop new content while trying to address the 'third party' issue. They know about speeders and scripters in the game, no need to log in to see it with their own eyes. imho the only people who will 'leave' are the ones from other shards trying to compensate for their latency/lag while visiting other shards to pvp. they won't leave the game entirely.

Do you know how long they have been addressing the speed hacking and scripting issue? Its been far to long for anything that they say to be taken seriously. They need more action less talk.

 

[Viper09]

I believe that they are taking their time to make sure it is perfect in function and really making sure it works properly before actually using it full-scale.

I hope at least. I hope because I wouldn't think they would create a program to deal with a deep issue such as 3rd party programs and not actually utilize it.

 

[Llewen]

We seem to have even MORE people blipping around the screen and running over trees and gravestones..

You do realize that there are no gravestones in the enhanced client, and you can turn them off by turning off the desolation in the classic client? However, that doesn't account for trees...

 

[RawHeadRex]

You do realize that there are no gravestones in the enhanced client, and you can turn them off by turning off the desolation in the classic client? However, that doesn't account for trees...

so just to be clear on this... turning off desolation (per char) won't set off any bells and whistles and is completely legal ? Has it been officially said it's ok to do so ? What else is 'ok' to alter in the uo.cfg ?

 

[dukarlo]

You cheaters better stop or EA will say stop again.

 

[dukarlo]

I believe that they are taking their time to make sure it is perfect in function and really making sure it works properly before actually using it full-scale.

I hope at least. I hope because I wouldn't think they would create a program to deal with a deep issue such as 3rd party programs and not actually utilize it.

You do realize they said the same things with Punkbuster back in 2006 dont you?

 

[RawHeadRex]

Do you know how long they have been addressing the speed hacking and scripting issue? Its been far to long for anything that they say to be taken seriously. They need more action less talk.

I hear ya, it's been a long time.

 

[Llewen]

so just to be clear on this... turning off desolation (per char) won't set off any bells and whistles and is completely legal ? Has it been officially said it's ok to do so ? What else is 'ok' to alter in the uo.cfg ?

Changing your uo.cfg is perfectly legal, but feel free to ask the question in the ask the devs forum.

If it was illegal, a guide to editing your uo.cfg wouldn't be found here on Stratics. Even if it was put up in error it has been there for years and for sure some dev would have seen it and raised a flag by now. Not to mention it has come up in discussions on Stratics many times over the years.

edit: And in fact there is an official news item in the news archive on uoherald.com that discusses editing your uo.cfg and specifically turning off the Felucca desolation. It's in the notes for the Renaissance release. Just hit ctrl-f when you visit the page and enter "uo.cfg" to find the reference.

 

[RawHeadRex]

Changing your uo.cfg is perfectly legal, but feel free to ask the question in the ask the devs forum.

If it was illegal, a guide to editing your uo.cfg wouldn't be found here on Stratics. Even if it was put up in error it has been there for years and for sure some dev would have seen it and raised a flag by now. Not to mention it has come up in discussions on Stratics many times over the years.

edit: And in fact there is an official news item in the news archive on uoherald.com that discusses editing your uo.cfg and specifically turning off the Felucca desolation. It's in the notes for the Renaissance release.

thank you Llewen.

 

[KidJoe]

I know we should all go and down load the newest cheat engine out there what ever it maybe called and then all be playing with the same buffs so noone is cheating anymore jwe'd ust all using the same dumb junk!.

 

[Lord Chaos]

let the chips fall where they may.

I enjoy the game and certainly don't want some busybody ******** ruin it. So just go away.

 

[LivinItUp]

I think the OP is just trying to count his/her days before they get busted!

Ironic isn't it?

http://vboards.stratics.com/showpost.php?p=1001092&postcount=131

 

[AesSedai]

We are hoping that as we identify and action particular players, that the news will spread and other players will join the cadre’ of those who choose to play the game as it is intended.

Or more likely it will simply make more and more people quit.

let the chips fall where they may.

- ^2 let the chips fall where they may.

This 'people' will be voting, once again, with closed accounts if the anti-cheat campaign does not show some progress soon-ish. I think I have 4 months left on the 6 month cycle (my account should be several months older but I have lost several months due to shutting it down on different occasions solely due to abusive players and EA's inadequate & lengthy solutions to combat said abusers of UO).
All the same, I will easily give them a few months to show some progress before complaining, since they have talked recently about action they have and are taking.

 

[Lord Chaos]

And likely you'd quit anyway if it didn't live up to your standards, not to mention you're in a small minority. So please do us all a favor and quit already, so the rest of us can enjoy the game.

 

[AesSedai]

And likely you'd quit anyway if it didn't live up to your standards, not to mention you're in a small minority. So please do us all a favor and quit already, so the rest of us can enjoy the game.

- A psychic you are not. I enjoy playing games with honorable players and I enjoy UO. And since when do you think I'd take advice from you? And even over my own thoughts? So take your: 'quit already if you are against cheating' -chaos elsewhere.
You tell me what / now I tell you what: Why not focus on getting EA/M to change the rules and declare that cheating is allowed, so that those of us with that play games by the rules will be afforded every advantage that cheaters abuse? Then you can really see what happens to our game of UO when it has no rules...

 

[Lord Chaos]

Because the game is just fine as it is, it has survived just fine for nearly 13 years now. I don't want to see it destroyed by some whiny minority that won't just play the game and butt out of what everyone else is doing.

 

[Old Man of UO]

And likely you'd quit anyway if it didn't live up to your standards, not to mention you're in a small minority. So please do us all a favor and quit already, so the rest of us can enjoy the game.

Okay... if we are the minority as you claim, where's you proof? Just one valid link on that please. Just more loud noise from people trying to stop all the cheating so they can have an unfair advantage of those who play according to the rules.

 

[Lord Chaos]

Okay... if we are the minority as you claim, where's you proof? Just one valid link on that please. Just more loud noise from people trying to stop all the cheating so they can have an unfair advantage of those who play according to the rules.

Its been shown time and again, even on the polls here on Stratics that is heavy anti-cheat, its still a minority.

Can you link to anything that shows that you're in the majority despite it defies a millenia of social research and experience from any other game out there?

 

[Old Man of UO]

Its been shown time and again, even on the polls here on Stratics that is heavy anti-cheat, its still a minority.

Can you link to anything that shows that you're in the majority despite it defies a millenia of social research and experience from any other game out there?

Charlatan. Again, lies and more lies, more of the same. Make up some more numbers, will you?

I am not the one claiming minority/majority.... you did and you can't back up your claims. Your polls are non-statistical and meaningless, and you can't even show one, let alone a "millenia of social research and experience from any other game" since online gaming has been around less than 15 years, let alone a millenia.

 

[Lord Chaos]

Charlatan. Again, lies and more lies, more of the same. Make up some more numbers, will you?

I am not the one claiming minority/majority.... you did and you can't back up your claims. Your polls are non-statistical and meaningless, and you can't even show one, let alone a "millenia of social research and experience from any other game" since online gaming has been around less than 15 years, let alone a millenia.

Human behavior has been around for longer than a millenia and as has the study of it. Its completely backed up, if you're so lacking in well lets not go there, then thats your own fault.

Just quit the game already so it can progress, instead of cater to a tiny whiny minority here.

 

[Old Man of UO]

Human behavior has been around for longer than a millenia and as has the study of it. Its completely backed up, if you're so lacking in well lets not go there, then thats your own fault.

Just quit the game already so it can progress, instead of cater to a tiny whiny minority here.

LOL... alright, this conversation is over. You have nothing to back up your arguments so you start with the personal attacks.

Why is being against cheating a bad thing? LOL

 

[ingsmsico]

the UO Developers have never done anything about cheating in PvP and they are never going to do anything about it.

it looks like the dueling system that was found in Cliloc files will be the "Solution"

 

[ingsmsico]

face reality people, the UO Developers have never done anything about cheating in PvP and they are never going to do anything about it.

it looks like the Trammel dueling system that is being designed and found in Cliloc files will be the "Solution"

 

[Picus at the office]

Through my own social interactions in the game I can assure you that the vocal anti-cheat people here are the vast minority out on the field. I know of one person, myself not included of course, who does not use a aid of some discription, one. I am a very active member of the small PvP scene on Napa and I can tell you that 99% of the players have "advantages". It doens't matter if it is a old Napa person or a player that transfered shards, all the same. I've ran into "trammies" who normally don't set foot in fel but are there for the champs who use so it's not just the bad PvPers.

I've said it before many times, just deal with the speeding and the rest shall be fine. EA could deal with it all but I doubt that will happen, the speeding has to stop. IMO speeding will be the death blow not the scripters who have little impact on the game regardless of what they are doing.

 

[Llewen]

Just quit the game already so it can progress, instead of cater to a tiny whiny minority here.

LC, you've lost. Third party app and script detection is live right now, doing it's job. The only reason we haven't seen much evidence in game yet is that the devs are being extremely careful about how they procede, because you are right about one thing, there are a lot like you playing UO right now, and probably they do form a majority.

So you raise an interesting question. Why are those who use third party cheats in UO in the majority? I can tell you part of the reason, and it has nothing to do with your fabricated reference to "thousands of years" of research. It has everything to do with the fact that a lot of the honest players have been either driven away, or corrupted by the culture of cheating that exists in UO.

Anyway, feel free to continue with the personal attacks, and the lies, and the utter nonsense that you generally post, because you've lost LC, and you are going to see that very clearly, I expect before the end of this year.

Oh, and you keep complaining about your client crashing, and the clients of so many of your near and dear friends. I can tell you that both the classic and the enhanced clients have never been more stable than they are right now. So why exactly does your client, and the clients of all your dear friends keep crashing? Why, oh why?

Things that make you go... hmmmm....

 

[Old Man of UO]

LC, you've lost. ...

Heh, I just find it ironic that a supporter of these illegal programs is telling the anti-cheaters to "Just quit the game already so it can progress."

 

[Beer_Cayse]

What's that (paraphrased) Shakespeare line? Ahhh, yes ... "Lord Chaos doth protest too much, methinks"

Reference linky

Observation & general question:
I have noticed a whole lot more people on these boards all concerned over the anti-cheat code implementation. Do we have more users of undesired products than originally thought?

 

[Beer_Cayse]

I can confirm that it is perfectly fine to tailor the uo.cfg file. I recall some of the former Devs even supplying some of the tips on doing things. First on the list was the desolation settings for many.

 

[RawHeadRex]

Its been shown time and again, even on the polls here on Stratics that is heavy anti-cheat, its still a minority.

Can you link to anything that shows that you're in the majority despite it defies a millenia of social research and experience from any other game out there?

you don't dictate to anyone. you are one of the crutch using putz twinks that need to leave, not us.

 

[Petra Fyde]

If I hadn't been fully sure it was within the terms of service to edit that file I would never have updated the information in it and it would not still be visible on the forum.

Whenever one of these threads is started it descends into the usual 'everybody does it' and 'the game would die without it' litany of feeble excuses. The same lame tale as cheating spouses use in real life to excuse their behaviour.

This thead has become a troll convention.

The convention is now closed.