[Discussion] HUGE Rares Lot! Priced to sell.

[CCCP Orion]

Hello there my friends. Due to certain circumstances in my personal life I will no longer have the time to play Ultima Online as much as I want to. I am not quitting this game by any means, however I am going to place my full collection up for sale so that someone who does play more regularly can enjoy these rares and hopefully find them a nice resting spot.

I am not going to sell these items individually but rather as a bulk lot.

The price for the full collection is 45 plat. And from the estimates I have received, this if far lower than what selling each item individually can yield.

If you are interested please ICQ me at 619003242. I wish you all the best!

Full List of Items:
- Sentient Element of the Life Essence of Khantabeos the terror
- Sentient Element Core of the Aspect of Fire
- A life light of mankind (torch)
- Her Green Light (Lampost)
- I rolled the Dice and Beat Messanna playing Roulette on Origin (Glacial Dice)
- Contained Essence of the Time Lord
- The Sacred Anvil of Minoc
- Ingots of Highly Refined Sky Iron
- A noxious flame once used in the eradication of a once great kingdom (Wall torch)
- Ornate Encrusted Armguards
- Warning light of a Vigilante
- A captured northern light used to guide the way of wandering travelers

Armor Sets
- Queen Dawn Armor set x 2
- Crux Set with Knight Lieutenant Cloak and Master Saergent Sash with Sheild.
- Crux set with Sash and Sheild – no cloak
- Catalyst of Evil armor set
- Traccor Set
- Phoenix Armor set X2

- Lieutenant of Brit Royal Guard (non replica)
- Standard Livery Coat of a Footman of Castle Blackthorne
- Cloak of Minax
- Ancient Meer Eternal Staff (Able to be equipped)
- Corroded Armor Plating
- Iron Workers Ringmail Tunic
- Ancient Ruby Lantern Containing the forgotten Fires of Felluca
- A Starlight forged Treasure chest
- Fallen Champion
- Black Halbred
- Two Tone Halbred
- A Faction Skirt
- Azure Dragon Replica
- Blue Weld Stuffy Originally Handsewn

- The Wave of Nightmarish Dreams x 2
- Surging Flame
- Quite Wave of Tokuno
- Anju Sermani – A Magical spell from old sosaria
- A living Rift
A collection of Top end PvP Jewels/armors estimated value of 3 bil + (Low end Estimate) (One of a kind items, very unique)

 

[slippjeem]

Too Bad, I'd be interested in box #2

 

[Scott]

Yep, if you part out, let us know... I've got my eye on a few items, but not the whole lot...


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[Kylie Kinslayer]

Count me in on the "hoping you part it out" crowd.

 

[Longtooths]

tagged

 

[Qikdraw]

I see a lot of things I would like, most I cannot afford, but some things I can.

 

[CCCP Orion]

I appreciate all the feedback, I will consider parting this collection out individually in the future, if no interested parties surface for the full lot. Thanks again everyone.

 

[Manticore]

You'll get closer to what you want if you break it up. That takes time so count that as "time = money". If you want to sell in bulk whatever the prices you got quoted from others take another 50% off because you're basically transferring the "time = money" of selling off duplicates to the new owner.

There are many reasons why you'll never get anywhere close to what you want out of it:

1. The quotes you've gotten could be biased in many ways:
a. People who gave you the quotes also have the items and he/she got suckered in paying top dollar so don't want the item to devalue
b. People who gave you the quotes don't know what they are talking about
c. People who gave you the quotes originally sold it to suckers who paid more than their worth.

We all know many players are there for the profits, it's part of their income stream. So maximizing profits is their only mission and not for collectors to get a great feeling heh.

2. Lets face it, most items in the past 3 years once they settle down are worth 50-60 mil and this season especially more are in the 50 mil or less range. Take the Europa crystals for example, on the day of the drop people wanted 150-200 mil thinking it's the best piece of slice bread on the planet. Then 150...125...100...75...50....I think I finally went down to 40 mil just to sell the last one. You can basically go down my list and see 99% of items follows that trend.

3. There are many items that are so poorly created that it can't get more than 15 mil off the start.

4. Your collection is great don't get me wrong, but too many themes for any one collector to pay 45 plat then trying to sell off what they don't want. Honest value as bulk, consider lucky if someone like Nails would even offer 10-15 plat. I use him because there aren't too many bulk buyers with that kind of gold on hand to begin with. In fact, 99% on the board sell the items they get from events and Nails is the ONLY person I know that even buys bulk anymore.

But then again, I could be wrong. However, I am more right than wrong over the years hehe.

 

[Promathia]

2. Lets face it, most items in the past 3 years once they settle down are worth 50-60 mil

This is such a complete exaggeration and so misleading for lesser informed collectors.

 

[TheGrimReefer]

Honestly, I would give the 40 if I had it and do exactly what Manticore said, piece it out myself. I collect Armor sets so those would be what I would be interested in along with a few other items. Rest would go to other collectors

 

[lineman]

This is such a complete exaggeration and so misleading for lesser informed collectors.

Not really, you do get your occasional item that a little thought went into that is worth more but for the most part its just the same old graphic renamed and colored. (edit) Just to be clear I am not talking about sellers items. His items are really nice and hard to come by especially the sets. Just agreeing with some of what Manti says that most items the last cpl years are a little generic and easily acquired.

 

[Longtooths]

You'll get closer to what you want if you break it up. That takes time so count that as "time = money". If you want to sell in bulk whatever the prices you got quoted from others take another 50% off because you're basically transferring the "time = money" of selling off duplicates to the new owner.

There are many reasons why you'll never get anywhere close to what you want out of it:

1. The quotes you've gotten could be biased in many ways:
a. People who gave you the quotes also have the items and he/she got suckered in paying top dollar so don't want the item to devalue
b. People who gave you the quotes don't know what they are talking about
c. People who gave you the quotes originally sold it to suckers who paid more than their worth.

We all know many players are there for the profits, it's part of their income stream. So maximizing profits is their only mission and not for collectors to get a great feeling heh.

2. Lets face it, most items in the past 3 years once they settle down are worth 50-60 mil and this season especially more are in the 50 mil or less range. Take the Europa crystals for example, on the day of the drop people wanted 150-200 mil thinking it's the best piece of slice bread on the planet. Then 150...125...100...75...50....I think I finally went down to 40 mil just to sell the last one. You can basically go down my list and see 99% of items follows that trend.

3. There are many items that are so poorly created that it can't get more than 15 mil off the start.

4. Your collection is great don't get me wrong, but too many themes for any one collector to pay 45 plat then trying to sell off what they don't want. Honest value as bulk, consider lucky if someone like Nails would even offer 10-15 plat. I use him because there aren't too many bulk buyers with that kind of gold on hand to begin with. In fact, 99% on the board sell the items they get from events and Nails is the ONLY person I know that even buys bulk anymore.

But then again, I could be wrong. However, I am more right than wrong over the years hehe.

99% of items are at or under 50mil???? Please let me buy out your collection for 50m per piece.

This guy has very good items, 167ish individual pieces @ 50m each...thats 8.35billion ....bwahahaha whatever....

Your rationalization is ludicrous. I understand wanting to undervalue a potential sale to buy lower. However, 50m a piece for 99% of the items in the last three years is a ridiculous generalization. If I had the 40bil I would buy and part out myself.

Nails is not the only person buying in bulk, if that is the only person you know I would suggest getting out more.

 

[Promathia]

Not really, you do get your occasional item that a little thought went into that is worth more but for the most part its just the same old graphic renamed and colored.

...So you personally don't care for them. That still doesn't make Manticore's statement true. "Lets face it, most items in the past 3 years once they settle down are worth 50-60 mil"

Lets just look at last year. Ill be VERY conservative and lean on the low end of it all: Look at all these "50m" items. (again, I am still omitting quite a few items) All of these drops from last year are 150m+ STILL. I also completely left out the Asian servers. This is 83 items that dropped last year, and you could add many more to the list. Its a complete farce to keep peddling the "Rares are worthless nowadays" rhetoric that a few disgruntled older collectors like to spew out.

There SHOULD be a good variety of items (Again, only so many graphics in the game they can even use). There SHOULD be a nice curve of item worth, which allows perfect entry for new collectors or anyone in general.


ATLANTIC:
Jan 14 - A Translucent Crystal Statue Of Adamu Edom The Ascended Britannian (25)
Jan 21 - A Finely Hewn Ebony Chest Of Drawers With An Intricate Design Of Infernal Markings (25)
May 19 - Ancient Ruby Lantern Containing The Forgotten Fires Of Felucca (25)
Jun 23 - An Infernalized Statue Bearing the Toil and Dilapidation of Generations in Felucca (25)
Aug 27 - Ancient Tourmaline Statue Left Behind By The First Rulers Of Felucca (?)
Sep 1 - Fungi Recovered From The Ancient Corridor Where A Lady Was To Be Forgotten (?)


BAJA:
Feb 27 - Remembering The Time's Past (?)
Mar 30 - A Tattered Logbook Detailing The Voyage Of The Ghost Ship Celeste (10)
Apr 29 - A Fragment Of The Armageddon Spell, Written In The Language Of The Wisps (20)
May 25 - Soul Sepulcher (?)
Jun 15 - A Large Spirit Cap (20)
Jul 13 - Bottles Of Wine Poisoned With Spiritcap Extract (20)
Nov 18 - A Corrupted Shard Of The Gem Of Immortality (20)


CATSKILLS:
May 01 - Stacked Heads Of Void Beasts (15)
Jul 29 - Hanging Daggers (?)
Aug 22 - Banner Of The Kingdom Of Pike (15)
Sep 26 - Orcish Visage The Frozen Skull Clan (15)
Oct 24 - A Wriggling Tentacle (15)
Nov 26 - Trophy Of Glubgub The Moldy (15)


CHESAPEAKE:
Mar 22 - Ranger Garb (15)
Apr 23 - champion of Chesapeake (20)
Aug 28 - Dolphin's Essence Of Goodness (20)
Nov 27 - Mirror Of Truth (20)

DRACHENFELS:
Apr 17 - A Painting Of Ephyram's Spirit Lost In Eternity (15)
July 17 - I Gave (my Life) And Took (this Wonderful Crystal) From Felucca, Drachenfels (15)
Dec 14 - A Frozen Solid Crystal Formed From The Ice Queen's Soul (15)

EUROPA:
Sep 15 - A Vase Filled With Screaming Voices And Blood Of Dead Heros In Felucca: Fear The Mad King (10-20)
Oct 21 - A Luxury And Magical Lantern Holding The Residual Reason Of The Mad King (20)
Nov 17 - The Cursed And Burnt Between The Mad King And The Witch Rowena (15)
Dec 8 - The Forgotten And Corrupted Fire Of Christmas: Fear The Grinch! (15)

GREAT LAKES:
Jan 26 - Snake In The Grass (20)
Feb 16 - Gothic Teddy Bear (20)
Mar 22 - The Waters Of Lost Balema (20)
Mar 29 - Cursed Candles From A Demonic Ritual (20)
Apr 30 - Thou Has Been Slimed (20)
Jun 18 - Living Rose-Gold Coral From The Waters Of Nujel'm (10)
Jul 30 - Ghostly Dolphin Guide (20)
Aug 2 - Biting Rat Of Muroidea (20)
Nov 22 - Dove Of Peace (20)
Nov 30 - Snowpiglet (20)

LAKE AUSTIN:
May 29 - A Chestpiece Bearing The Insignia Of Traccor The Dark One (15)
Jun 11 - A Pair Of Gloves Bearing The Insignia Of Traccor The Dark One (15)
Aug 27 - Bone Legs Bearing The Insignia Of Traccor The Dark One (15)
Oct 15 - Pumpkin Spider Statue (10)
Nov 19 - Mysterious Fruit (15)


LAKE SUPERIOR:
May 31 - Dead Lord Boots (10)
Jun 17 - A Container Holding The Evil Essence Of Valerie Vondont (15)
Dec 17 - The Sacred Anvil Of Minoc (20)

LEGENDS:
Apr 28 - Replica Of The Ancient, Blood-Stained Armor Of The Dread Lord, One Of The Six Knights Of Mondain (10)
May 26 - Replica Of The Ancient Armor of The Wandering Knight, One Of The Six Knights Of Mondain (10)
Aug 25 - Replica Of The Tranished Rusted Armor Of The Lady Of Despair (10)
Sep 29 - Replica Of The Charred, Smoldering Armor Of The Burning Baron, One Of The Six Knights Of Mondain (10)
Oct 20 - Replica Of The Neburous Armor Of The Eldritch Knight, One Of The Six Knights Of Mondain (10)
Nov 17 - A Shield From A Bygone Era Emblazoned With An Iron Serpent, Engraved: "Fides Nostra Sustinet" (~100)
Dec 22 - An Old, Worn Mouse Toy Lost By Dom The Cat But Recovered In His Quest To Save Christmas (10)

NAPA VALLEY:
Jan 25 - The Roasting Pig King (15)
Feb 15 - A Magical Statue: Its Form Takes The Shape Of The Observer's One True Love (15)
Mar 28 - Imprisoned Spirits Waiting To Claim An Unsuspecting Body (15)
May 30 - Rugged Leather Ranger Boots (?)
Jun 20 - A Noxious Flame Once Used In The Eradication Of A Once Great Kingdom (15)
Aug 15 - The Legendary Anvil "Heart Of The Mountain", Forged From A Fallen Star (?)
Oct 24 - Heart Of The Ocean (15)

OCEANIA:
Jun 19 - The Siren Thelxiope Got Imprisoned Within An Intricate And Magic Wax Sculpture (15)
Jul 19 - The Wave Of The Nightmarish Dreams (20)
Sep 11 - A Depowered Magical Plate Tunic Used By The Catalyst Of Evil (15)
Oct 11 - A Depowered Magical Plate Helm Used By The Catalyst of Evil
Nov 17 - A Depowered Magical Plate Legs Used By The Catalyst Of Evil (15)
Dec 1 - Depowered Magical Plate Arms Used By The Catalyst Of Evil (15)

ORIGIN:
Apr 12 - Bacon & Beer Brawl 2016 (10)
Jun 24 - Assassins Of Evil Defeated - June 2016 (10)

PACIFIC:
Jan 28 - An Alluvium Vessel Encompassing The Residue Of The Legendary Lithos - Titan Of Earth (15)
Feb 11 - A Passionate Rosebush Augmented With True Beauty: "Omnia Vincit Amor Et Nos Cedamus Amori" (15)
Mar 17 - A Personal Jar Enclosed With The Tempestuous Aura Of The Legendary Stratos - Titan Of Air (20)
Apr 15 - A Pulsating Alabaster Pillar Inscribed With The Countenance Of Titans Bound To The Tetrasomia (15)
Aug 25 - A Blood Soaked Deadwood Tree Immortalized By The Horrid Murders Of Bane: Ashmedai (25)
Sep 29 - A Starlight Forged Treasure Chest Used To Conceal Lost Relics (15)
Oct 27 - An Eclipsed Wolverine Conceived By The Sacred Bloodline Awakening (15)
Dec 29 - A Holiday Tree Mantled With The First Snow Of The Winter Solstice (15)

SONOMA:
Mar 23 - An Ancient Cure (10)
Apr 20 - A Tapestry Commissioned By The King As Reward For The Capture Of The Imposter (>50)
Jun 22 - Crate Of Goods Marked With The Zento Seal (15)
July 10 - A Mysterious Power Source (?)
Aug 24 - An Oil Puddle (?)

 

[lineman]

Not trying to hijack thread and I think Manti was just saying he could probably make what he was looking for if he sold items individually which I kinda agree. I am not saying that there are no good drops, but there are more generic drops than good these days . Just look at some of the big rares dealers vendors, majority of the stuff coming out these days sits on vendors for under 100m, Although I did pay a cpl hundred mill for a soothsayer mirror recently so its not all bad. And im not saying Manti statements are true just some of them I agree with. Just my opinion.

 

[Promathia]

Not trying to hijack thread and I think Manti was just saying he could probably make what he was looking for if he sold items individually which I kinda agree

But that clearly wasnt the part of his post I was commenting on ( I agree, splitting up is the best option, except for the sets of course)

2. Lets face it, most items in the past 3 years once they settle down are worth 50-60 mil

Which is clearly not true as much as any of you say you didnt like the items.

this season especially more are in the 50 mil or less range.

Well lets take a look, mind you we are only at the start of the 6th month. By my count across just the US servers, with a conservative estimate, we have atleast 30 items which are 150m+

You could make an argument that this year has been poorer than other years, or that some of the EMs currently active aren't as good as the ones prior. But once again, its only June. Its a bit early to make a passing judgement.

Think of yalls status in the community. How many newbie collectors will see the great Manticore say things like this, and just assume what they get is only going to be worth 50m?

 

[Captn Norrington]

I agree that Manticore's post was a huge generalization and 99% of items are definitely not worth only 50m.... however his general point of item prices dropping farther than they usually do seems to be true from what I've seen. Personally, I'm rather cheap when buying things so tend to notice lower prices on items more than others might... as the lower prices are the only things getting me to buy a lot of newer items.

If you go only to the well known sellers vendors, the prices will start out around 150m on most items, and in about 2 weeks it'll be down to 75m. Sometimes drops even farther than that if they want to just get rid of it already. Non-rares collecting players who just happen to get a rare somehow often sell them for even cheaper than that, because they just don't care to let it sit on their vendor for weeks and want it sold fast.

Some newish items I have recently bought from the vendors of people on this forum, some who have posted in this thread:

The snakes special serpentwyne - 28m

The shield of the new Legends armor set - 50m

The helmet of the new Legends armor set - 40m

The platemail chest of the new Legends armor set - 52m

The top half of the two part antique skeleton - 45m

The bottom half of the two part antique skeleton - 24m

Skull of Yughor crow the shadowlord - 14m

The mad toymaker's mini battle-bot - 35m

An effigy of the creature known as the slender - 61m

I rescued a cove guard from the orc abductor - 70m

A mountain climber who rested a moment too long - 55m

Daemon of the dark unknown, digested by atogau (2) - 8m and 12m

Spyglass of Despair - 5m (might have been a typo for 50m, I'm not sure)

It's not like I go out there and spend hours looking for all these cheap rares either, literally all I do is run around Luna and the area directly outside Luna once every day or two checking the same 30ish vendors I know have rares stocked on them sometimes. That is all it takes to find all these rares at low prices. So if I am able to find a large number of decent rares (in my opinion anyway) with almost no effort, at very low prices, then yes Manticore has a point that rares are not worth anywhere near what they used to be.

 

[Promathia]

If you go only to the well known sellers vendors, the prices will start out around 150m on most items, and in about 2 weeks it'll be down to 75m. Sometimes drops even farther than that if they want to just get rid of it already. Non-rares collecting players who just happen to get a rare somehow often sell them for even cheaper than that, because they just don't care to let it sit on their vendor for weeks and want it sold fast.

Some newish items I have recently bought from the vendors of people on this forum, some who have posted in this thread:

The snakes special serpentwyne - 28m

The shield of the new Legends armor set - 50m

The helmet of the new Legends armor set - 40m

The platemail chest of the new Legends armor set - 52m

The top half of the two part antique skeleton - 45m

The bottom half of the two part antique skeleton - 24m

Skull of Yughor crow the shadowlord - 14m

The mad toymaker's mini battle-bot - 35m

An effigy of the creature known as the slender - 61m

I rescued a cove guard from the orc abductor - 70m

A mountain climber who rested a moment too long - 55m

Daemon of the dark unknown, digested by atogau (2) - 8m and 12m

Spyglass of Despair - 5m (might have been a typo for 50m, I'm not sure)

Your post is so inherently deceiving purely based on your lack of knowledge (Which is ok). GL and ATL items are lower in price than any other shard because 1. Highest pop + 2. Continual use of 2+ bosses, greatly increasing the drop amounts

GL: Again, uses 2+ bosses
Daemon of the dark unknown, digested by atogau - Everyone drop, multiple bosses
A mountain climber who rested a moment too long - Overused graphic, multiple bosses
The snakes special serpentwyne - Was atleast 3+ bosses

Origin: A shard known for crap items
I Rescued A Cove Guard From The Orc Abductor - Again, overused graphic

ATL: Has been using 2+ bosses
An effigy of the creature known as the slender - Listed as a 50 drop
The top half of the two part antique skeleton - Has gone up in price after bottom half dropped
The bottom half of the two part antique skeleton - 100% doesn't work on its own

Legends: These items you bought are getting harder to find
The shield of the new Legends armor set (Noone knew this would be a set, so it sold low at first, but is hard to find now)
The helmet of the new Legends armor set (Rightfully cheap due to the new knowledge of set + more people going for it)
The platemail chest of the new Legends armor set (Noone knew this would be a set, so it sold low at first, but is hard to find now)

Napa:
Spyglass of Despair - Cheap item, but clearly a typo @ 5m

Catskills:
The Mad Toymaker's Mini Battlebot - Just a mediocre item IMO

Baja:
Skull of Yughor crow the shadowlord - Graphic has been used a lot, very close to looking like other items with that graphic


So no, this does not validate Manticore's statement at all. Again, most items that are cheap on vendors have a REASON they are cheap. Sure there are many factors such as:

1. # of bosses
2. Shard population/how many people at that specific event
3. Multiboxers

But to completely generalize it, especially based on your examples? Completely misleading. You listed 13 items you bought which were below 100m. I listed 113 items from last year + this (Which could be higher) which are all at 150m or higher, with quite a few which have actually risen in price.

 

[blend]

Hi Guys
Where is the next rare festival? I just see Tagged.
We quit gathering in the game, hijack like this thread is new style Rares Fest?

 

[Manticore]

well, sometimes I go a little bit overboard to prove a point. So let's say I adjust that ~50 mil to say 75-100 mil would that would cover the majority of the drops? These posts are focusing on one thing and missing the big picture (Linemen got it and a couple others). I'll even drop the 99% and say 75%. That's still my point. I can't tell you the number of PMs I've gotten from players since this post that basically telling me they are just hording the items they've gotten and don't even bother to sell them because they think the current prices are too low. What happens when they decide one day to hell with it and start selling, do you think the prices will go even higher? Most likely not.

May be it's my perception but that's what I've seen consistently over a while now off vendors and 2-3 months ago I've moved 40-50 plat worth of rares off my vendor and many of the deals I made were side deals for bulk prices. Factoring in the number of free items I tossed in to complete these deals, ya, I'd say that's about right.

Don't get me wrong, there are great items out there and they seemed to gravitate towards specific EMs over time, e.g. Napa Valley , I'd say 99% there the drops are great and hold their value above the 100 mil mark. GL, Europa, Atlantic items are great too except there are so many per event now that it drives down the prices just out of sheer numbers. Hokuto items are consistently the top Asian drops over time. Especially when they do stealing events and only a couple of people who gets the information ahead of time and steals them for their museums (oops my bad).

Origin drops, well LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

in all seriousness, I love this game and collecting. I will always sell in general lower prices than anyone and will always be cheap to buy as well

 

[DarkLotus[FL]]

well, sometimes I go a little bit overboard to prove a point. So let's say I adjust that ~50 mil to say 75-100 mil would that would cover the majority of the drops? These posts are focusing on one thing and missing the big picture (Linemen got it and a couple others). I'll even drop the 99% and say 75%. That's still my point. I can't tell you the number of PMs I've gotten from players since this post that basically telling me they are just hording the items they've gotten and don't even bother to sell them because they think the current prices are too low. What happens when they decide one day to hell with it and start selling, do you think the prices will go even higher? Most likely not.

May be it's my perception but that's what I've seen consistently over a while now off vendors and 2-3 months ago I've moved 40-50 plat worth of rares off my vendor and many of the deals I made were side deals for bulk prices. Factoring in the number of free items I tossed in to complete these deals, ya, I'd say that's about right.

Don't get me wrong, there are great items out there and they seemed to gravitate towards specific EMs over time, e.g. Napa Valley , I'd say 99% there the drops are great and hold their value above the 100 mil mark. GL, Europa, Atlantic items are great too except there are so many per event now that it drives down the prices just out of sheer numbers. Hokuto items are consistently the top Asian drops over time. Especially when they do stealing events and only a couple of people who gets the information ahead of time and steals them for their museums (oops my bad).

Origin drops, well LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

in all seriousness, I love this game and collecting. I will always sell in general lower prices than anyone and will always be cheap to buy as well

lol that traccor suit alone is worth more than 50m a piece and if you don't believe go ahead and try and find a piece. that suit is worth 5plat and he payed 4.7p for it at last raresfest

 

[Beeble]

lol that traccor suit alone is worth more than 50m a piece and if you don't believe go ahead and try and find a piece. that suit is worth 5plat and he payed 4.7p for it at last raresfest

I dont think Manticore was specifically suggesting all the items in this collection are worth less than 100mil, i think in fact he specifically stated earlier he doesnt mean that at all.

I would interpret what he said as a commentary on the recent prices of items on the market. It does seem of late that many item drops have reduced in price sold dramatically from initial listed price to now average value.

Alot of recent items, (recent in my statement to mean over last few months) have started around 300mil on here or in game and then you can now find alot of them on auction safes and vendors for less that 100m.

So i think his point at this moment is that alot of recent items are selling for less than 100mil. I dont think he was suggesting this collections items are worth less than 50m. The general direction of this thread has been less about the actual items on this sale, and more a discussion on the current values of rares on the market.

Well, that is how i read it

 

[DarkLotus[FL]]

his suits is the big chuck of the change in that bulk deal and to sit back and say 50m each than 100-125m each shows how ignorant he is being I will gladly pay anyone 100-125 for any crux piece....marble armor set piece...,traccor piece....phoenix piece I really hope manticore will sell me these items at the price he thinks they are worth because that sir WILL be a great day for me "you'll be lucky to get a 10-15p offer for this collection" lol lets try and lowball this poor sap on his collection...

45p is a fair price its time for you little kids to put on your big boy buying pants or go home.

 

[Beeble]

"45p is a fair price its time for you little kids to put on your big boy buying pants or go home." - lol, I think ...though, its not a 100% FACT.....but most people are at home when playing UO......but i jest..I get your point. Though i think you missed his.

Though i would say, i wish i could find someone selling items i want at far below value (I want older items though - and no, not older than all the items here, again im referring to recent drops). I seem to pay top value most times. Though i guess, when your actively looking to buy an item, and out asking people if they they would sell, then the price is High but when your looking to Sell an item and asking people to buy off you, the price is lowered. (Well it seems to always be that way for me...I dont think i win at Business! lol)

 

[Scott]

@Manticore is getting a bad wrap because people take parts of his phrasing and beat it like a dead horse. I would say past 6-8months of typical items are all going really cheap and his philosophy makes sense- not 3 years though.
When it comes to collections, and nice older items like these, price will be way better- because there are a lot of desired items here.

BUT - Manticore is also correct that there are few people who have that kind of gold AND are willing to spend it on someone else's collection.

All he was trying to say and what I am continuing to say is Parting it Out is the better option... more time consuming, but will get him his numbers he's after.

@DarkLotus[FL] - Big boy pants - those have nothing to do with how much money - ehhem- gold you have... I fully expect to see you post an offer here with your "big boy pants". 45p - all you sir!



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[DarkLotus[FL]]

have you ever went to sell to a collector on stratics? this is what is usually posted by their door

 

[DarkLotus[FL]]

@Manticore is getting a bad wrap because people take parts of his phrasing and beat it like a dead horse. I would say past 6-8months of typical items are all going really cheap and his philosophy makes sense- not 3 years though.
When it comes to collections, and nice older items like these, price will be way better- because there are a lot of desired items here.

BUT - Manticore is also correct that there are few people who have that kind of gold AND are willing to spend it on someone else's collection.

All he was trying to say and what I am continuing to say is Parting it Out is the better option... more time consuming, but will get him his numbers he's after.

@DarkLotus[FL] - Big boy pants - those have nothing to do with how much money - ehhem- gold you have... I fully expect to see you post an offer here with your "big boy pants". 45p - all you sir!



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"BUT - Manticore is also correct that there are few people who have that kind of gold AND are willing to spend it on someone else's collection."and the that's like the only thing correct in there is yes it will be hard to find a buyer at 45p and if I could I would but I cant right now I'm hoping he will part it out =D

 

[Scott]

I am a collector on Stratics - go look at house in Luna! I am not broke - but I'm also not paying 45p for a collection that I want roughly 5p worth of stuff in... it's just logic... less people to pay big gold amounts - especially during UO summer time when all rares tend to slump anyway... BUT with the overpopulated market- it's a risk to buy bulk if you only want a few items in the collection...


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[DarkLotus[FL]]

I agree scott that's the only thing is that most people whom collect suits have the ones up for sale but to degrade his collection as a whole is just not right in my opinion

 

[Scott]

I agree scott that's the only thing is that most people whom collect suits have the ones up for sale but to degrade his collection as a whole is just not right in my opinion

Agreed!
Hoping he doesn't take a 20p offer and waiting in anticipation for this to become an open sale (not auction) for groupings of items.

He won't have to wait too long to sell the bulk of these individually.


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[DarkLotus[FL]]

Promathia I'm not being combative but these numbers are wrong

LAKE AUSTIN:
May 29 - A Chestpiece Bearing The Insignia Of Traccor The Dark One (15)
Jun 11 - A Pair Of Gloves Bearing The Insignia Of Traccor The Dark One (15)
Aug 27 - Bone Legs Bearing The Insignia Of Traccor The Dark One (15)

there was probably 40-50 legs

 

[MrUber]

I agree that Manticore's post was a huge generalization and 99% of items are definitely not worth only 50m.... however his general point of item prices dropping farther than they usually do seems to be true from what I've seen. Personally, I'm rather cheap when buying things so tend to notice lower prices on items more than others might... as the lower prices are the only things getting me to buy a lot of newer items.

If you go only to the well known sellers vendors, the prices will start out around 150m on most items, and in about 2 weeks it'll be down to 75m. Sometimes drops even farther than that if they want to just get rid of it already. Non-rares collecting players who just happen to get a rare somehow often sell them for even cheaper than that, because they just don't care to let it sit on their vendor for weeks and want it sold fast.

Some newish items I have recently bought from the vendors of people on this forum, some who have posted in this thread:

The snakes special serpentwyne - 28m

The shield of the new Legends armor set - 50m

The helmet of the new Legends armor set - 40m

The platemail chest of the new Legends armor set - 52m

The top half of the two part antique skeleton - 45m

The bottom half of the two part antique skeleton - 24m

Skull of Yughor crow the shadowlord - 14m

The mad toymaker's mini battle-bot - 35m

An effigy of the creature known as the slender - 61m

I rescued a cove guard from the orc abductor - 70m

A mountain climber who rested a moment too long - 55m

Daemon of the dark unknown, digested by atogau (2) - 8m and 12m

Spyglass of Despair - 5m (might have been a typo for 50m, I'm not sure)

It's not like I go out there and spend hours looking for all these cheap rares either, literally all I do is run around Luna and the area directly outside Luna once every day or two checking the same 30ish vendors I know have rares stocked on them sometimes. That is all it takes to find all these rares at low prices. So if I am able to find a large number of decent rares (in my opinion anyway) with almost no effort, at very low prices, then yes Manticore has a point that rares are not worth anywhere near what they used to be.

not sure the point in posting this list... by no means is it a "average" or a good assesment for value of the above items.. just some random good low buys .. *(shrugs i feel bad for Orion and what ppl are doing to the poor guys post lol)

 

[Lord Nabin]

Straight auction no reserve tends to deliver a current and accurate price.

Other than that you all are

 

[Archnight]

Thread has been cleaned up. Let's please keep this on topic without derailing or trolling. All posts that do not follow will be removed and warnings will be issued. Thanks for your understanding

 

[Bucs Den Inc.]

Has the rares bubble finally burst?! Contact Messana for the bailout!


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[Kirthag]

*lurk, lurk, tags, lurk*

 

[CCCP Orion]

After much consideration, I have decided I will be pricing out all of these items individually. Please mark this thread if you are interested in bidding on the items. I havn't decided how to run the auction yet, but I have 2 ideas

- Open Bidding, but a hidden reserve (if it's not met the item doesn't sell) I'd like to know if this method has ever been used and/or if its frowned upon.
- If not the above then I will list my own reserves and let the auction run for a time frame (I havn't decided yet)

These are just some of my thoughts, but in any case I will have a decision made in a few days and then officially open up every item up for bid. The Auction will start on 6/14 9PM Pacific Standard Time / and I will update this thread accordingly.


Thanks again for all of your inputs and suggestions.

-Orion

 

[Assia Penryn]

@CCCP Orion - You'll be missed. I'll keep your rose safe until your return.

 

[PoTTy MouTh]

After much consideration, I have decided I will be pricing out all of these items individually. Please mark this thread if you are interested in bidding on the items. I havn't decided how to run the auction yet, but I have 2 ideas

- Open Bidding, but a hidden reserve (if it's not met the item doesn't sell) I'd like to know if this method has ever been used and/or if its frowned upon.
- If not the above then I will list my own reserves and let the auction run for a time frame (I havn't decided yet)

These are just some of my thoughts, but in any case I will have a decision made in a few days and then officially open up every item up for bid. The Auction will start on 6/14 9PM Pacific Standard Time / and I will update this thread accordingly.


Thanks again for all of your inputs and suggestions.

-Orion

Hidden reserve not really a good idea. just my thought tho

 

[CCCP Orion]

Thank you @Assia Penryn, and I your Valentine's Teddy!

 

[Qikdraw]

Please mark this thread if you are interested in bidding on the items.

Please consider starting a brand new thread with the individual prices. This one is already too long. Start fresh and let this one slide away. Too much comentary in this one.

I haven't decided how to run the auction yet, but I have 2 ideas

- Open Bidding, but a hidden reserve (if it's not met the item doesn't sell) I'd like to know if this method has ever been used and/or if its frowned upon.
- If not the above then I will list my own reserves and let the auction run for a time frame (I havn't decided yet)

The second one is better (at least in my opinion). Let people see your reserve so they can make sure to buy what they are after outright. Please take the next few days to research pricing though, if you set your reserves too low you'll miss what you're hoping to get. You might take a look at the Sakura Rares Fest page for ideas on pricing. Some items went above what they're worth simply because people wanted them, some items where a steal too. But its a good starting point anyway.

Good luck with your auction, I will be bidding on a few items for sure. Some meanies will probably outbid me though.

 

[lineman]

If I was you and wanted the most gold you could get, I would wait for next rares fest and just have one silent auction house reserved for your items. I have found that summer is a bad time to sell items as allot of people take a break this time of year. I am sure there will be a fall fest as there has not been one in a few months. Unless of course you are in a hurry. Anyway good luck. Nice items there.

 

[PoTTy MouTh]

If I was you and wanted the most gold you could get, I would wait for next rares fest and just have one silent auction house reserved for your items. I have found that summer is a bad time to sell items as allot of people take a break this time of year. I am sure there will be a fall fest as there has not been one in a few months. Unless of course you are in a hurry. Anyway good luck. Nice items there.

this was already done and look what happened alot of FAKE BIDDERS Ruined the whole silent auction for other people!!! Bidding People Up With No intention of Ever Paying for anything.

 

[Smoot]

If I was you and wanted the most gold you could get, I would wait for next rares fest and just have one silent auction house reserved for your items. I have found that summer is a bad time to sell items as allot of people take a break this time of year. I am sure there will be a fall fest as there has not been one in a few months. Unless of course you are in a hurry. Anyway good luck. Nice items there.

rares fests are supposed to be for all, not for one person to monopolize. 2 houses is more than enough for a respectable fest. any more than that and it seems like a flea market. festivals are not meant to be a dumping ground or an easy out to sell off collections.

just thought that needed to be put out there.

 

[lineman]

rares fests are supposed to be for all, not for one person to monopolize. I 2 houses is more than enough for a respectable fest. any more than that and it seems like a flea market. festivals are not meant to be a dumping ground or an easy out to sell off collections.

just thought that needed to be put out there.

. Just an option for seller that I thought should be mentioned. And by the way plenty of collections have been sold at fests. If you put buy outs on items the stuff moves fast if prices are not ridiculous and you can avoid allot of the fake bidding crap from the last fest.

 

[Queen Arya]

Well if he had his own house with teleporter to the rares fest that might work too

 

[Smoot]

The reason many were turned away at the last raresfest was 100 items were accepted from one person, on the very first day of submissions. way too many items. extremely risky because many went for next to nothing because of this, while yes many also went very high (due in part to fake bidding driving up prices un naturally). personally i think allowing 1 person to submit unlimited items, or having so many items that a fair market value cant be ensured is disrespectful to the community.


While we're on the topic, too many silent auction houses, and low-value items also makes for horrible vendors. The quality of items on vendors at the last fest was the worst ive seen since i can remember. I feel this was because of low standards for what would be accepted for the silent auctions, as well as too many items being accepted.

However, that being said, if that game will be played at the next fest, id like to reserve 1 entire main house for myself like you suggested. and the other main house can be shared by olcher and orion. hear that folks? raresfest submissions are closed. everyone else will have to peddle their wares in the 10 other afterthought houses. i dont think anyone in their right mind would think that was anything close to fair or what fests are supposed to be.

I respect anyone taking the time to put on a fest, and there were many elements of the sakura fest that were top notch. deco was superb. lots of games and activites. however i dont think anyone could say that it wasnt also plaqued by problems. im hoping that these can be learned from so the next fest can run more smoothly, and be more manageable.

 

[Merlin]

I am glad to see the collection being broken up by pieces, as I believe you will maximize value that way and open it up for more people to participate.

My suggestion is that you create a new thread, and possibly consider multiple threads (i.e., one for the suits, maybe another one or two for everything else).

Whenever I see these rare's threads that have dozens and dozens of items... the auction ending becomes a quagmire and difficult to for bidders to follow when you have 10+ different people bidding on different items and several falling into the 10 minute rule or dealing with minimum increments, etc.

Just my two cents. Good luck!

 

[Captn Norrington]

The reason many were turned away at the last raresfest was 100 items were accepted from one person, on the very first day of submissions.

I have no idea what you mean by this.... because Brian and I were the ones handling item submissions at that rares festival and there were not many items turned away.... In fact I can only think of 2 people's items I had to turn away completely, and that was because they tried to submit them like 8 hours before the auction ended and there were no spots left that late in the festival. My houses were the first ones to fill up, but I was still able to give pretty much all additional submissions to Brian to put in his houses, and I was able to add about 40+ extra to mine due to various buyouts throughout the festival. Yes, there was one person with nearly an entire house filled with their items, but that did not really impact other people's submissions due to the extra auctions that were opened later on.

There were two silent auctions originally, and Brian opened four new ones on top of that specifically to keep accepting items and avoid turning any away, bringing it to a total of 6 silent auctions during that festival, and only one was used for that particular person with a lot of submissions.

 

[Smoot]

@Captn Norrington there was never feedback asked for from the sakura raresfest, and i didnt say anything at the time, during all the problems, because it wasnt in the interest of a fest going on. six month later, yes if anyone would like advice im happy to give that if asked via icq or a public discussion thread.

fact of the matter is, the 2 main houses were filled up on the first day (also this right around Christmas)
We were told there was no more room because many items were submitted all at once (obviously from 1, or very few players).
The fest was extremely long, and seeing all the problems myself and others left before the other houses were opened.
I do not count the "other houses" - im not going submit my high end rares into some back alley house, or in direct competition with i dont know how many houses. Having 1 house full of one persons items just didnt seem communtity oriented. i shouldnt have to beg, or wait, just to submit a few items 1 day after submssions were opened.

I do not mean to sound harsh, like i said i appreciate the efforts. but yes im not going to lie and say i was happy with the last fest. I left after the first few days, the major problems with submissions etc etc. I did feel extremely slighted at being turned away only 1 day after submissions were opened. I have a good feeling that there was no limit to the number of items an individual was allowed to submit. so others either left, or never bothered transfering. keep in mind this was like a day before Christmas Eve.

All in all, like i said there were many problems, but i hope they can be learned from. Perhaps i am just oldfashioned or outdated, and my idea of quality fest is different. As always, if someone wants a fest up to their personal standards they can put one on themselves. which i will most likely be do in upcoming months.

This is what i meant by my post, and why i originally took offense 6 months ago. I did not transfer to enter items into a fest with a slew of houses. I transferred to showcase my high end rares in the 2 original main houses. which were filled up and I was turned away.

Both of my silent auction houses are now full due to an unexpected surge in submissions (I was given almost 100 items in the last 3 hours).

However, we do have a backup plan. @BrianFreud is currently building two additional silent auction houses so people can continue submitting items to the rares festival!

Starting in a few hours, I will be gone until January 2nd. If you would like to submit items for the rares festival silent auctions, please give your submissions directly to @BrianFreud while I am gone. Brian will also be in charge of the official opening of the auction houses, so please send any questions about that to him.

This is currently what we have:

Silent Auction House #1 - Captn Norrington (completely full)
Silent Auction House #2 - Captn Norrington (completely full)
Silent Auction House #3 -BrianFreud (under construction)
Silent Auction House #4 - BrianFreud (under construction)
Traders Auction House - BrianFreud

This is looking like it's going to be an amazing rares festival, I hope everyone has lots of fun!