(Question) Help deciding on a template for Siege

[Diamonas]

Good Morning all,

I'm having trouble deciding what kind of template I should play on Siege, I only have 1 account and not much to start with.

I was debating on playing a warrior of some kind, Gargoyle as a race.

I mainly PVM rather then PVP due to not wanting on deal with all the scripting etc... My age is showing, don't have the reaction I once did 20 years ago lol.

What's a good workable template for a warrior Gargoyle these days that is not completely relient on having prodo shard levels of rediculous gear?

 

[Barbarian]

Hello

How about a gargoyle thrower? Lots of different options with the template and doesn't require ammo, you can start off with one throwing weapon and Siege bless that.

If you look in the Warrior forums for posts by user LordGod he has a load of useful advice and templates.
I would pick one from

Wraith thrower
Necro swords/thrower
Ninja stealth thrower with anat/heal

I started on Siege a little while ago. You'd be amazed how far you can get with less than perfect gear, and there are helpful crafters around to assist you with custom orders that you might need

If you need more specifics then ask and I'll do my best.

 

[FrejaSP]

I too would say, start with a gargoyle thrower and add Mysticism and Imbuing.
You can easy find a crafters, who will sell you armor and weapon not inbued yet. Start with imbuing LRC on them so you do not need regs. The Mysticism skills will give you Cleansing Winds (healing) and Rising Colossus that will be a good help at the start. Being able to imbue your gear and collect the mats should keep you going.

Don't use skills for ninja, maybe some hiding until you get stronger and get better to replace lost stuff.

 

[Tyrath]

OH great another big footed, smelly , flappy winged Garg Welcome to Siege. And What Freja Said.

 

[Ol'Rac Nnod]

I too only have one account..I choose a mage/tamer.. as gate is the only way to long distance travel...although Siege has an awesome hub system set up for getting just about everywhere.
As yourself, I'm interested in pvm more so than pvp, so I've included stealth in my template, this also helps me return to my body numerous times to get my gear. You only need 30 in hide to train stealth now, and at 80 stealth ya don't fail your stealth check, since I've already gone the path of magery I can cast invis and just start walking into stealth..at 30 hide I don't rely on hiding to start the stealth unless I'm in my house lol.

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[Marisa Kirisame]

Diamonas, are you interested in a very peculiar PvP gargoyle thrower template I've been developing before I had to leave? It will take some testing but it should be fun.

 

[Tyrath]

Thrower is good due to not constantly replacing bolts and arrows, Mystic is good because..... well you can pretty much kill anything with a RC given enough time. Enough mage to be able jewel up to cast gate is handy and greater heals combined with a healing stone are effective. Hiding and Stealth are handy but not required, truth is most people are going to run away when they see you and those that want to kill you probably will whether you have it or not. But in PvM it is handy for retrieving your corpse and getting to where you want to be in a dungeon without getting hit by everything on the way there.

 

[Barbarian]

Another option you might like is a melee mystic - Weapon/Mystic/Focus/Tact/Anat/Heal/Chiv

You can play in Stone Form (immune to curse/poison, bandages can't be interrupted), you can also act as tank so that your Rising Colossus lasts longer. I've played this and it's a fun pvm template with lots to do and great defence.

 

[FrejaSP]

Another option you might like is a melee mystic - Weapon/Mystic/Focus/Tact/Anat/Heal/Chiv

The Focus will help mana but with Imbuing, you can easy add MR and MI to get the mana. I would drop focus when other skills goes up.

 

[Marisa Kirisame]

Cheh. Get focus and get friendly with a specialized imbuer. Don't go for partial solutions. Sadly, I've yet to train my imbuing - it's a few maxed skills later.

 

[FrejaSP]

Focus and Imbuing both support Mystic but the mana from focus can be gained from items as well and you only need to know a tailor to get the suits to imbue. With Imbuing, you can unraw magic stuff and get the relic for LMC, it will only cost the gems, that you can get from killing stuff.
Sure you will run in a way more expensive suit but it will only cost you some hunting and an not yet imbued suit.

Sure start in a crappy suit and with Focus. Focus go up fast, then when you get other skills up, put focus on a soulstone and get Imbuing to 120, then you can switch between them, depending of the power of your suit.
Not all like running in crappy suits and some hate the risk of running in more powerful suits so who you are, should effect your choice of skills.

I'm a warrior, I do not have focus, I get all my mana from my suit. I do have more than one account so I did run with Imbuing on Freja but right now, I am training Mystic and Imbuing to use with Archery and maybe healing or resist. I love, that I just can unraw the crappy loot instead if storing it for Tina Tink to unraw.

 

[Marisa Kirisame]

I ask thee, eternal times, why cannot you enjoy both regen from Focus and items? Most tailors also have imbuing as a complementary skill - I'm currently started at both. You can bring your unravel loot to your crafter friend for relics too. Then why hinder yourself, a mystic warrior, by getting a skill that in combat only complements Mysticism, instead of getting the skill that complements Mysticism AND gives mana & stamina regeneration? Imbuing's main use is out of combat anyway.

You're still very right in one thing though: not having Imbuing on a gargoyle character might feel like a waste of racial chance increase.

 

[Dizzy]

OH great another big footed, smelly , flappy winged Garg Welcome to Siege. And What Freja Said.

You can SMELL other players?

Is that n expansion pack?

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[FrejaSP]

I ask thee, eternal times, why cannot you enjoy both regen from Focus and items?

I did have focus on Freja but decided I wanted poison to support my archer template. Had to give up something and Focus was the only skill I was willing to give up. As long I can afford MR and LMC, I do fine without it.

 

[Marisa Kirisame]

I did have focus on Freja but decided I wanted poison to support my archer template. Had to give up something and Focus was the only skill I was willing to give up. As long I can afford MR and LMC, I do fine without it.

That is a different case, since you gain different combat abilities this way by sacrificing Focus. But if you only look at it from a combat point of view, Imbuing is only a demo-version of Focus.

 

[Klapauc]

Forget about gargoyle melee for a start. Pvm weapon choice for gargoyles does suck compared to human/elves , especially for low stam weapons that are easily usable on siege.
If you want a thrower, either copy an abc archer template or go sampire.
ABC Thrower is something like
120 throwing
105 bushido ( minimum needed for momentum strike )
100 healing
100 anat
100 tactics
100 resist
95 chiv
Actual values depend a lot on playstyle and personal choice, you can adjust them as you go to see what fits you best. You can bring that temp to basically everything, which is good, but its also incredible boring.

Throwing sampire is basically standard sampire build, except that you replace parry with spirit speak to be able to use curse weapon.
Both temps could have 120 imbuing instead of resist if you alter the other skill values a bit.

But i wouldnt do gargoyle dexxer anymore on siege, thinking about converting mine to human. Weapon choice sucks, next to no usable loot compared to humans , no easy to make studded suits for 55 lmc ( getting enough granite for decent stone armor is still very time consuming ) , no armored swampy and no joat for spellweaving and wraith form.

If you just want to play on siege without crafting, just make a 4x bard with either magery or myst / focus . Doesnt need anything except a blessed instrument, armor you can pick up just whatever you loot. Much less time consuming and is fun to play.

 

[Retlaw of Vesper]

If you just want to play on siege without crafting, just make a 4x bard with either magery or myst / focus . Doesnt need anything except a blessed instrument, armor you can pick up just whatever you loot. Much less time consuming and is fun to play.

That is almost my build. Mystic, Focus, Imbue, Magic, Music and pick one of the 3 bard skills I need at the time rest on soulstone. No special anything needed and can make my own LMC LRC etc gear from drops or cheap player crafted.

 

[TheScoundrelRico]

Create a thief...la

 

[Diamonas]

Marisa, about that thrower PvP template.
PM me the details.

I'm looking at the following haven't had time to test it yet.

Mysticism 120 115
Focus 80 100
Magery 80 100
Poisoning 100
Resisting spell 120
Ninjitsu 120
Tactics 100

Siege Bless Crystalline Ring

Using the Mysticism Mastery for Mystic Weapon.

 

[Uvtha]

Good Morning all,

I'm having trouble deciding what kind of template I should play on Siege, I only have 1 account and not much to start with.

I was debating on playing a warrior of some kind, Gargoyle as a race.

I mainly PVM rather then PVP due to not wanting on deal with all the scripting etc... My age is showing, don't have the reaction I once did 20 years ago lol.

What's a good workable template for a warrior Gargoyle these days that is not completely relient on having prodo shard levels of rediculous gear?

Same kind of templates work the same really, just slightly less effective having to rely on imbued gear most of the time. My advice to you would be train imbuing, because you'll need it. You can get people to make you armor, but it's much more of a pain and a price to get people to imbue for you.

I also chose to go one handed with a shield on my warrior set up, to get the extra stats on the shield, specifically damage, ssi, dci/hci.

My warrior temp is Necro 100, Chiv 120, 120 weapon, 120 tactics, 120 anatomy/120 resist (depending on target), 120 parry. Vamp form for survivability, chiv for damage/stamina works just fine. Studded leather for LMC, shield for stats.

Can deal with most things solo, and can do with bosses in a group. Can do rat spawn easily if you want to get your own scrolls.

 

[Sauteed Onion]

I say try cat form fisherman and chef. I have a big house by the mountains and my guild leader gives me plenty of meow mix.

 

[Barbarian]

I'm looking at the following haven't had time to test it yet.

Mysticism 120 115
Focus 80 100
Magery 80 100
Poisoning 100
Resisting spell 120
Ninjitsu 120
Tactics 100

Siege Bless Crystalline Ring

Using the Mysticism Mastery for Mystic Weapon.

I would ask what you plan to do with this template - unless I am missing something there doesn't seem to be a lot of synergy between the skills. For example:

- You have tactics so I'm assuming you plan to have a melee role, but have no melee defence other than a mystic mastery weapon or a mage weapon. You cant use weapon specials. Due to the crystalline ring you will have limited options for HCI unless you can get reliably 45 via shield, ring and weapon (again assuming no other unblessed artifact pieces).

- Ninja without stealth is great for defence IMO with its forms and images. You can auto attack a lot of things to death in dog form with mirror images, but you cant cast spells in animal form. Not sure if you can use images in rock form (or if you would need or want to).

- You can only use your poisoning via magery, it would be fun for strong interrupts/healing prevention and nox fields, but while you are casting you arent hitting anything.

- Healing - you have magery, cleansing winds and healing stone options. If you plan to be up close hitting stuff you will need 6/2 casting - again a problem due to the crystalline ring plan. You are looking at needing a lot of suit mods to make make this work well.

- Mana - you have four skills that require mana to operate, and only 5MR from 100 focus. This can be helped with being human and imbuing suits, but you need to take the cost of replacing gear into account as a newcomer to the shard.

It seems a bit all over the place to me. I think it would be better to specialise towards attacking primarily via either casting or melee, and if you want to make an interesting hybrid then tinker with it from there. Hybrid templates typically require more gear to make them work in my experience, which may not be ideal for Siege.

 

[Finegold]

Create a thief...la

OMG! I loved playing a disarm thief back in the day, thanks to you. Took patience, skill and practice. Used to be a blast. Do thieves still have a place on siege today? (and of course... picking things up off the ground does not = stealing)

 

[Victim of Siege]

There are no Thieves on Siege . . .