Gaining Justice?

[Poo]

umm....

was there a change on gaining justice here in the last month or so that i didnt hear about?

reason i ask, guild went active on a shard we havnt been on in a while, we have been pulling some champs, decided we want to do more, so i needed to get my Protector up to snuff.

no problem, go make a new player, kill 5 guild mates, turn him red.
then use the would be protector and kill that red every 5 minutes till Knight.

ive done it..... oh wow, literally 10's or 20's of times (was gonna say hundred's but it hasnt been that many)

so tonight i do it.... no gain.
kill that red like 20 times.... getting the "you have gained in justice" message, but no little jewels on the gump screen for justice.

so i thought maybe you cant gain in houses anymore (which ive had no problem doing before) so i go outside, kill the red, gain a jewel.
k problem solved.

5 minutes goes by, kill him again.
nothing.
get the message, no gain.

do it a couple more times.
still nothing.

so has there been a change in gaining justice that i missed?

 

[Orgional Farimir]

umm....

was there a change on gaining justice here in the last month or so that i didnt hear about?

reason i ask, guild went active on a shard we havnt been on in a while, we have been pulling some champs, decided we want to do more, so i needed to get my Protector up to snuff.

no problem, go make a new player, kill 5 guild mates, turn him red.
then use the would be protector and kill that red every 5 minutes till Knight.

ive done it..... oh wow, literally 10's or 20's of times (was gonna say hundred's but it hasnt been that many)

so tonight i do it.... no gain.
kill that red like 20 times.... getting the "you have gained in justice" message, but no little jewels on the gump screen for justice.

so i thought maybe you cant gain in houses anymore (which ive had no problem doing before) so i go outside, kill the red, gain a jewel.
k problem solved.

5 minutes goes by, kill him again.
nothing.
get the message, no gain.

do it a couple more times.
still nothing.

so has there been a change in gaining justice that i missed?

The amount of justice you gain per kill is based on fame and skill points. So if you made a new char (I am assuming with just 100-200 skill points) you will need to kill him hundreds of times to get up to Knight. Also I think the time limit is 7 mins, not 5, between gains in justice.

 

[Kellgory]

I think it depends on what level of Justice you are on. At the first level there is about a 4-5 minute wait before you can gain again, on the second level it is somewhere around 6-7, and usually on the last level I think it is almost 10 minutes. Plus on reds with low murder counts it might take two kills to gain a bubble at the higher level of Justice. It's been several years since I had to gain Justice, so it might have changed since then as well.

 

[Sevin0oo0]

I think it depends on what level of Justice you are on.

Thanks, looks like Stratics is out of date, simply stating; 1 offer per 15-minute limit. I had almost forgot about this virtue. I think they need to quit worrying about 'balance' and make opportunities open to All players. not sure how, but still, it's a part of the game a non-pvp'r can't experience

 

[Kellgory]

Thanks, looks like Stratics is out of date, simply stating; 1 offer per 15-minute limit. I had almost forgot about this virtue. I think they need to quit worrying about 'balance' and make opportunities open to All players. not sure how, but still, it's a part of the game a non-pvp'r can't experience

The amount of time you have to wait before being able to gain is linked to the level of Justice you're on. I think the 15 minute timer is if someone refuses your offer of protection, if they do that then your unable to offer protection to anyone for 15 minutes. I think Stratics needs to update the part about just needing to be on the server (ie dungeon vs T2A). I'm pretty sure now the protector has to be within the same spawn are, where in the past you could be doing the spawn in destard and still get scrolls if the protector was in covetous.

 

[Eyes of Origin]

I know someone who was trying to gain Justice the same way the OP is talking about and yes, he realized that it will take forever because the amount you get is based off the skill and karma of the red you are killing.

I went from 0 Justice to Knight in about *edit* 3 hours by killing my fully skilled necro mage.
The timer inbetween kills is just waiting for the corpse of the previous kill to disappear from the ground.
(this is easier then actually watching the clock or using a timer)

 

[Goldberg-Chessy]

I think it depends on what level of Justice you are on.

Thanks, looks like Stratics is out of date, simply stating; 1 offer per 15-minute limit. I had almost forgot about this virtue. I think they need to quit worrying about 'balance' and make opportunities open to All players. not sure how, but still, it's a part of the game a non-pvp'r can't experience

Not sure what you are saying?

Correct me if I am wrong but it seems that you have issues with the justice/protect system because non pvpers dont do it? They can do it btw, they just CHOOSE not to.

That would be like me saying I have issues with the fact that my red pvper cant get Doom artifacts because he doesnt leave Felucca. Huh?

 

[Picus at the office]

Thanks, looks like Stratics is out of date, simply stating; 1 offer per 15-minute limit. I had almost forgot about this virtue. I think they need to quit worrying about 'balance' and make opportunities open to All players. not sure how, but still, it's a part of the game a non-pvp'r can't experience

I can't think of a single reason that a tram based char would need or want to spend the time working justice. My sampire has a few points from defending spawns but I've never bothered with it. This said I find it next to impossible to raise justice outside of fighting factions since the silly, effort wasting, carebear hand holding Forged Pardon's were added to the game....such dribble this is. So now anyone can be a thorn in the side of anyone with no downside at all, rubbish.

 

[Tina Small]

I was told several years ago that the amount of justice you gain from a kill is based on the number of murder counts held by the red character you kill. The more murder counts they have, the more justice you gain.

 

[Chrille]

Skill lvl is the key, my "red" has highest skill at 70 or something but at 720 total. He has no fame or karma and I always get a dot when I kill him.

 

[Lynk]

It is 8 minutes per justice gain. Nothing else matters, just the timer and the fact that they are red.

If you kill someone before the 8minutes is up, the timer is reset and you have to wait 8 more minutes.

Signed,

Someone who recently worked up a stealth protector to knight of justice 5 days ago

 

[Poo]

i dont think ive ever had as many different responces to one question.
8 minutes
15 minutes
depends on skills
depends on kills
depends on the cat with the hat eating ham instead of spam.

i KNOW i did it every 5 minutes for years.
so was there a change?

guess ill just go test a couple different things and see what happends.

just thought maybe someone knew if and when a change did come down the pipe.

 

[Tjalle]

It is 8 minutes per justice gain.

This is my experience too.

Have never failed gaining with the 8 min timer...

 

[Orgional Farimir]

This is my experience too.

Have never failed gaining with the 8 min timer...

It very well could be 8 mins. I know there have been more than a few times where I have killed a red 7 mins apart and didn't gain any justice.

 

[Poo]

ok

so this is what ive found.

i went to the 8 minutes break with that new red.
nothing.

did it again.
nothing.

switched to my old red who is 720 skill, but has about the same kills as the new toon i made.
killed him 8 minutes later.
went up 2 jewels.

waited 8 minutes killed him again.
3 jewels.

waited 5 minutes and got 2 jewels.

another 5 minutes, got 2 more jewels to take me to 2nd level.

another 5 minutes, got 2 more jewels

another 5 minutes, got 1 more jewel

so it seems to be a bit of a mix.
capped out skill and 5 minutes, which is strange, cause ive dont it with new toons before and never had this problem,

at any rate, 5 minutes with a skilled toon is working.

 

[Barok]

Not sure what you are saying?

Correct me if I am wrong but it seems that you have issues with the justice/protect system because non pvpers dont do it? They can do it btw, they just CHOOSE not to.

That would be like me saying I have issues with the fact that my red pvper cant get Doom artifacts because he doesnt leave Felucca. Huh?

Yeah, but killing your alt over and over again isn't really pvping either, is it?

 

[Giles]

I did the same as you a few nights ago and had no problem. I have never gained justice before. For me it was only 3 minutes between gains

 

[Poo]

three!

ya, i have a stop watch count down thingy running on a 5 minutes countdown.
and if i kill the red even 2 seconds before the 5 minute mark i dont get the justice bump.

 

[Kojak]

the red I kill is on a 2 minute timer - to the second - been that way for over a year - it takes 3 kills for a dot near knight

 

[Raptor85]

Not sure of the timer, but the amount of justice gained is based on the total skill of the red you kill, Ideally you need to kill someone with 720 skill to ensure you gain 1 point per kill while attaining knight.

Doesn't it kinda defeat the point though to farm it? The point of the justice system was so that guilds would get a clue and bring pvper's who don't damage the boss to spawns, dedicated to protecting the others, with a bonus of extra scrolls, it doesn't decay fast and you naturally gain it killing raiders at your spawn anyways. (unless a LOT has changed since I last played on the prodo servers)