Does anyone happen to have a backup of UOKR?

[Magnus]

Hey all,

Does anyone have a copy of UOKR before the last patch - specifically one that is patched to " 2.59.0.2 - July 14, 2009", or even after? I want to do some research on a couple of the files that were in it, and the highest I can find is from 2008 and it isn't very useful.

I'd even take someone just zipping up an install if possible.

 

[HoneythornGump]

I wish I did....

I loved KR! Absolutey loved playing UO in high resolution.

And I want that song that's played in Britain. Somone posted it awhile back.

 

[Magnus]

I love(d) KR, thats even my video you're linking to! It was so hard back then, I had such a bad computer and a terrible internet connection.

 

[Zalan]

Not trying to derail your thread. What was their reasoning for killing KR and going with the EC?

 

[MalagAste]

Not trying to derail your thread. What was their reasoning for killing KR and going with the EC?

Because people cried about change... and they were too lazy to make KR work. So they scrapped it and brought the ugly CC graphics into KR instead of fixing the real problems with KR.

 

[Magnus]

Not trying to derail your thread. What was their reasoning for killing KR and going with the EC?

Ah, what a tale.

See, Kingdom Reborn was created to celebrate the 10th anniversary of UO in 2007. EA, in their typical fashion pushed it out extremely early and it was at best beta quality at release. Because of this, it left a bad taste in a lot of peoples mouths, and the limited resources UO had at the time (which now look like almost unlimited in comparison) made it a slow and difficult process to fix it and improve the client.

Some of the artwork wasn't quite finished, and the performance of the client required a decent computer, since it uses the Gamebryo engine (The same one that at the time was famous for the Elder Scrolls Oblivion, and Civilization 4) which really wasn't suited for 2D/2.5D artwork, ending up requiring polygonal billboards to represent all mobiles. Unfortunately because of this, people with computers that were 5-8yrs old, which apparently was the majority of the UO population at the time, had issues playing the game at all.

Then there was the issue that seems to plague the vocal minority in UO - any change is bad change. New graphics, new UI, scared them and they hated it. Regardless of the fact they patched in CC graphics and added a lot of classic client UI elements. What I suspect happened is that during the development of Stygian Abyss, which initially was to be for the KR client only (and begin converting UO to being non-tile based) they realized they didn't have the resources and decided to scrap it (KR actually worked with the closed SA development shard for some time, so I think this happened quite late).

However they knew they couldn't just go back to 2D, so hence why we have the abomination that is the EC now. With lower resolution graphics, and less features then what we had almost a decade ago. For example look at this image:

This is art for an elemental, at their actual size. While neither of them are large, the EC artwork is pitiful, there is no detail or depth because it has been shrunk so far down. You can actually put KR graphics in the EC client, and most of them will work - you can get better looking mobiles, however I have been unable to get the terrain to work due to differences and alterations in its layout, which is unfortunate. In addition, the actual client is as buggy, and I've found more crash prone then KR ever was. Though I guess it isn't surprising considering that Mesanna is an avid Classic Client fan.

I may appear slightly angry about this, and I am - but only because I think UO is still one of the best MMOs out there, even today - yet we're stuck with either a supremely outdated client, or a client that looks like Frankenstein's monster. I need Dermott of LS to come back me up, but he seems to have disappeared.

 

[Dot_Warner]

I still have KR installed on an older machine. Which file(s) did you need? Its patched up to the last publish before they killed it.

 

[Magnus]

I still have KR installed on an older machine. Which file(s) did you need? Its patched up to the last publish before they killed it.

I would prefer the entire client, so I could then archive it (perhaps on Archive.org), I am doing a couple things with the files - I am in the process of creating a UI for the EC, and seeing about exchanging files between clients - so the most up to date I can get would be the best.

I'd appreciate either/both if you could!

 

[The Craftsman]

What was their reasoning for killing KR and going with the EC?

Because quite frankly, it was crap.

 

[kelmo]

Crafty... You have to work on that negative attitude.

 

[HoneythornGump]

What's crap is the CC Client e.g the Crap Client.

Mesanna was the worst thing that ever happened to UO imnsho. Last thing UO needed was a Jurassic Lead Producer who can't see the forest for the trees in terms of trying to keep UO relevant, and keep the game alive by attracting new players which ain't going to happen when continue to support a client with 20 year old graphics right out of Ultima VIII.

The reason this game continue to go down the ****ter despite having great content is because the graphics suck...low resolution sucks... period.

@Magnus Hook me up with an MP3 of that song if you get your hands on the KR client....what was it called? "Midnight in Britain"?

 

[Zalan]

There is always SotA being made by Lord British. Its a little pricey.

 

[Lord Frodo]

Because people cried about change... and they were too lazy to make KR work. So they scrapped it and brought the ugly CC graphics into KR instead of fixing the real problems with KR.

Excuse me people were not crying about the change as much as they were crying about KR running on one machine but not another that was the same or better and no one knew what the cause was. Or how about the fact that the KR Client was such a computer hog and was very hard on most peoples systems. Fixing the problems in KR was indeed the problem or better yet finding out why the problems were there to begin with was the hard part.

 

[Magnus]

Excuse me people were not crying about the change as much as they were crying about KR running on one machine but not another that was the same or better and no one knew what the cause was. Or how about the fact that the KR Client was such a computer hog and was very hard on most peoples systems. Fixing the problems in KR was indeed the problem or better yet finding out why the problems were there to begin with was the hard part.

I would disagree about it being a computer hog, I ran KR on max without issue on a 2ghz/1gb/intel gpu. There were problems, but generally people had far too outdated machines and blamed the game for it instead of their own systems. Sadly, because of this they abandoned it rather then fixing it.

 

[Lord Frodo]

I would disagree about it being a computer hog, I ran KR on max without issue on a 2ghz/1gb/intel gpu. There were problems, but generally people had far too outdated machines and blamed the game for it instead of their own systems. Sadly, because of this they abandoned it rather then fixing it.

WRONG People with super high end CPUs couldn't run it or two people with the exact same CPUs, one could run but the other could not and yes it was a computer hog. And by the way UO learned with 3rd Dawn about restricting an expansion with a client and there was no way SA was going to be KR only.

 

[Dot_Warner]

I would prefer the entire client, so I could then archive it (perhaps on Archive.org), I am doing a couple things with the files - I am in the process of creating a UI for the EC, and seeing about exchanging files between clients - so the most up to date I can get would be the best.

I'd appreciate either/both if you could!

I will stuff it in a zip file....its still going to be huge though...

 

[Dot_Warner]

The KR client was horribly UNOPTIMISED as it was still in beta when EA Japan stupidly gave a release date to someone and the rest of EA chose to honor it. (Morons!)

The client's item art was been farmed out to some random art place that obviously hadn't ever seen UO, let alone its item art. They also couldn't draw/animate worth a damn.

Most of the world art, building pieces, plants, etc was far superior to what the EC has now.

The avatars and paperdolls were just pancaking awful...and for the most part, still are.

 

[Magnus]

I will stuff it in a zip file....its still going to be huge though...

Thanks! I appreciate it!

 

[drcossack]

What's crap is the CC Client e.g the Crap Client.

Mesanna was the worst thing that ever happened to UO imnsho. Last thing UO needed was a Jurassic Lead Producer who can't see the forest for the trees in terms of trying to keep UO relevant, and keep the game alive by attracting new players which ain't going to happen when continue to support a client with 20 year old graphics right out of Ultima VIII.

The reason this game continue to go down the ****ter despite having great content is because the graphics suck...low resolution sucks... period.

@Magnus Hook me up with an MP3 of that song if you get your hands on the KR client....what was it called? "Midnight in Britain"?

Get over it with the "jurassics" comments. It's beyond old.

 

[Sauteed Onion]

I'm always surprised when I read these threads. Always.

 

[Magnus]

I will stuff it in a zip file....its still going to be huge though...

@Dot_Warner Any updates on this? I realize its a large file and can take some time.

 

[Dot_Warner]

@Dot_Warner Any updates on this? I realize its a large file and can take some time.

I'll be able to poke at it more later today and hopefully get it uploaded.

 

[Magnus]

I'll be able to poke at it more later today and hopefully get it uploaded.

Thanks, I really appreciate it!

 

[Tyrath]

I would have been the first to abandon the CC for the KR client if it worked, it actually ran fairly well on my old computer and would barely run on my brand new top of the line computer if it would run at all. Loved the art, loved the overall feel, and really thought they were on to something as did many other CC fans. You did at least expand on the real reasons it was scrapped, but don't blame the players for choosing the stable client that was and has been the most dependable. I am not even going to go into the Cardinal Piece of Crap they call the EC client, beyond it being dysfunctional and ugly all in one package.

 

[Yadd of Legends]

I'm always surprised when I read these threads. Always.

Surprised to see yet another Client Wars thread, as if something new will suddenly pop out of somebody's a --- I mean out of the air?

 

[Magnus]

Surprised to see yet another Client Wars thread, as if something new will suddenly pop out of somebody's a --- I mean out of the air?

Ha, yeah. That boat has sailed, it wasn't my intention to start this again, I just want some files from the old client. I mean, if somehow complaining would bring back the client it would have happened before now. Or we could talk about the canceled 3D project from even before KR, but yeah.

 

[drcossack]

Ha, yeah. That boat has sailed, it wasn't my intention to start this again, I just want some files from the old client. I mean, if somehow complaining would bring back the client it would have happened before now. Or we could talk about the canceled 3D project from even before KR, but yeah.

The old 3D client after LBR or whatever xpac it was? (I just looked it up recently, so you'd think I would remember.)

I used it at first, then switched to the "2D" client (the current CC); I don't remember much of the old 3D client, but I do remember thinking blood elementals looked cooler. I think I completely stopped using it around the time that Paragons were added to Ilshenar, since that client had them in their default color, and the only way to know they were was by their overhead name; I think I was still on dialup at the time, so if I ran into one...

 

[Sauteed Onion]

The 3rd dawn client?

 

[drcossack]

The 3rd dawn client?

That's the one.

 

[Nonel]

Too many man boobs in the Third Dawn client. But, I loved the dance moves!

 

[MalagAste]

Too many man boobs in the Third Dawn client. But, I loved the dance moves!

I miss all the emotes we had then...

 

[Gameboy]

I miss all the emotes we had then...

emotes

 

[Archnight]

I really wish they would bring back the KR client for UO's 20th Anniversary... call it UO:KR 2.0. This would be a step in the right direction, shame they don't see it that way... our game looks best in 2-2.5D, not 3D

 

[Tyrath]

I really wish they would bring back the KR client for UO's 20th Anniversary... call it UO:KR 2.0. This would be a step in the right direction, shame they don't see it that way... our game looks best in 2-2.5D, not 3D

I would drop the CC in a heartbeat if they put out a version of KR Client that was complete, stable and had acceptable performance. That would take a decent sized dev team though and if we have learned nothing else, we have learned that pushing beta quality clients out is a disaster. My thought for KR was they should have made 1 shard for KR and worked the bugs out of the basic client, achieved perfection on the basic platform over the course of a year and then deployed it globally. To go as far as they did with it and then just drop it was a big black eye.

 

[Archnight]

drop the CC in a heartbeat

I don't agree with this part, I think that was the second problem with the roll out since they said after a certain % is reached in KR they would close the CC. The game needs to remain in it`s native 2D as well, either through the CC client OR an option within KR to switch to the 2D graphics. This is the only way it would work for everyone

 

[Tyrath]

I don't agree with this part, I think that was the second problem with the roll out since they said after a certain % is reached in KR they would close the CC. The game needs to remain in it`s native 2D as well, either through the CC client OR an option within KR to switch to the 2D graphics. This is the only way it would work for everyone

Nooo I was not saying globally ditch the CC, I would have personally dropped it for the KR client. Whether anyone wants to admit it or not the CC is the backbone of UO and is like old faithful. And I would have probably continued using the CC for several things like high spawn or large gatherings, the more eye candy the worse the lag. The CC handles those situations much better for me than higher graphics and animations.

 

[Uvtha]

The KR client was horribly UNOPTIMISED as it was still in beta when EA Japan stupidly gave a release date to someone and the rest of EA chose to honor it. (Morons!)

The client's item art was been farmed out to some random art place that obviously hadn't ever seen UO, let alone its item art. They also couldn't draw/animate worth a damn.

Most of the world art, building pieces, plants, etc was far superior to what the EC has now.

The avatars and paperdolls were just pancaking awful...and for the most part, still are.

Yeah, I actually thought the monsters were really nice monstly. But yes... the item art was just horrible.

 

[deadite]

KR could have been a contender, but Stratics was in classic form back then. Mesanna isn't the only jurassic in this park... this place is full of them. Remember PunkBuster? People here were losing their minds because they thought their computers were going to be "hacked". LOL. It was like listening to my grandparents freak out about a computer virus reported by Fox News. Anyway. That was right before they had conniption fits about KR replacing their precious 1990s client. Too bad EA didn't have the cajones to move forward anyway.

Never has a game been so stagnated by it's own community.

Just waiting on Shards Online. Brinkmann seems to get it, at least.

 

[Dol'Gorath]

I totally forgot KR had different music too. When you went into Brit in that video I remembered... Is there a way to rip the music files? God the KR terrain looks so much better than those CC tiles in the EC client.

 

[Lord Frodo]

KR could have been a contender, but Stratics was in classic form back then. Mesanna isn't the only jurassic in this park... this place is full of them. Remember PunkBuster? People here were losing their minds because they thought their computers were going to be "hacked". LOL. It was like listening to my grandparents freak out about a computer virus reported by Fox News. Anyway. That was right before they had conniption fits about KR replacing their precious 1990s client. Too bad EA didn't have the cajones to move forward anyway.

Never has a game been so stagnated by it's own community.

Just waiting on Shards Online. Brinkmann seems to get it, at least.

#1 you are CLUELESS when it came to PunkBuster and them being allowed to have access to your entire system and what are we as UO players suppose to do just let EA/UO do what ever it wants when it came to making a new client? Lets see we had 3rd Dawn that was a fail, we had KR which was a fail and we have the EC which IMHO is also a fail but to you we are just suppose to blindly let the Devs do what they want. What I also find funny is that you must think that Stratics represents the majority of the UO player base to have such a great influence on the DEV Team.

 

[HoneythornGump]

Never has a game been so stagnated by it's own community.

 

[deadite]

#1 you are CLUELESS when it came to PunkBuster and them being allowed to have access to your entire system...

LOL. Nobody cares about your fetish porn collection. And trust me, Google and Facebook know a hell of a lot more about your intimate details and financial situation than PunkBuster ever would.

 

[Lord Frodo]

LOL. Nobody cares about your fetish porn collection. And trust me, Google and Facebook know a hell of a lot more about your intimate details and financial situation than PunkBuster ever would.

You just proved how childish you truly are, attack people with baseless facts. Google and Facebook do not have the same access to your system that PunkBuster would have and if your personal info is out there then you are going to the wrong places or you are giving info to the wrong places, the only information out there is public information.

 

[AdamPD]

They really did waste a collosal amount of money and time on the 3 "3d" clients.
I always remember the first one they released, Third dawn was it? They made it so you could only enter Ilshenar if using the 3D client, then people found a way around it, by logging out in Ilshenar and logging back in with the 2D client
So they fixed that, then eventually caved in and added 2D support, probably because very few were using the 3D client.
Then came UOKR and now the enhanced one
I often wonder what kind of updated, high res 2D client/art could've been made with all that wasted time/money.

 

[Grimoric]

Hi, I was wondering if anyone still has UOKR and if that would be possible to get a copy of it? I'm looking for 2.59.0.2 or have it been lost forever?

I have the following full versions 2.45.4.2, 2.46.0.3, 2.50.0.3, 2.53.0.2 and 2.58.0.6.

-Grim

 

[Tyrath]

Hi, I was wondering if anyone still has UOKR and if that would be possible to get a copy of it? I'm looking for 2.59.0.2 or have it been lost forever?

I have the following full versions 2.45.4.2, 2.46.0.3, 2.50.0.3, 2.53.0.2 and 2.58.0.6.

-Grim

I have a couple CDs of every version, in a ammo crate somewhere in one of the out buildings. If/when I run across that crate I will gladly send you one. Of course it might be 1-2 years before I find it. My organization of loot IRL is only marginally better than my Organization or lack of in game Of course that one I may put extra effort into as it has my UO toys in it as well.

 

[Grimoric]

I have a couple CDs of every version, in a ammo crate somewhere in one of the out buildings. If/when I run across that crate I will gladly send you one. Of course it might be 1-2 years before I find it. My organization of loot IRL is only marginally better than my Organization or lack of in game Of course that one I may put extra effort into as it has my UO toys in it as well.

Thank you for your offer, the issue is that this CD is most likely 2.53.0.2 to my knowledge there were no other CD releases of the client.

OSI/EA don't have any old patches left (they claim they have deleted all) after the closing of their old patch server. The only possible way is to find already installed versions or backups. The best way is by finding the RTP/PAT files but this it is really unlikely, this files were stored in the patch directory and deleted after each patch.

I have collected patches and clients for a long time now and just started to look into the Kindown Reborn client.

Kingdom Reborn had the following known patches:

• 1.0.0.10
• 1.0.0.14
• 1.0.0.16 (LAST BETA)

• 2.44.0.15
• 2.44.0.25
• 2.45.0.3
• 2.45.0.6
• 2.45.1.2
• 2.45.1.5
• 2.45.3.10
• 2.45.3.11
• 2.45.3.13 (UOKR.EXE SAVED)
• 2.45.3.3
• 2.45.4.2 (FULL INSTALL SAVED) (OSI-DOWNLOAD)
• 2.45.4.3
• 2.45.4.4 (UOKR.EXE SAVED)
• 2.45.5.4
• 2.45.5.6 (UOKR.EXE SAVED)
• 2.45.6.3 (UOKR.EXE SAVED)
• 2.45.7.3
• 2.46.0.3 (FULL INSTALL SAVED) (OSI-DOWNLOAD)
• 2.46.1.6 (UOKR.EXE SAVED)
• 2.46.1.9 (UOKR.EXE SAVED)
• 2.47.0.8 (UOKR.EXE SAVED)
• 2.47.1.10 (UOKR.EXE SAVED)
• 2.47.1.5
• 2.47.1.6 (UOKR.EXE SAVED)
• 2.47.1.10
• 2.48.0.3 (UOKR.EXE SAVED)
• 2.48.0.7 (UOKR.EXE SAVED)
• 2.50.0.3 (DIRECTORY SAVED)
• 2.51.0.3 (UOKR.EXE SAVED)
• 2.52.0.4 (UOKR.EXE SAVED)
• 2.53.0.2 (FULL INSTALL SAVED) (OSI-DOWNLOAD/OSI-CD)
• 2.54.0.6
• 2.54.0.7 (UOKR.EXE SAVED)
• 2.55.0.3
• 2.56.0.6
• 2.57.0.15
• 2.57.0.16
• 2.57.0.17 (DIRECTORY SAVED) (MOD: Modified sins file version in patchlog stop at 2.45.7.3 and dont match uokr.exe version. Still, there are files that have been updated in 2.53.0.2 for the last time accordingly to a logfile from 2.58.0.6)
• 2.58.0.6 (DIRECTORY SAVED)
• 2.58.0.7
• 2.59.0.1
• 2.59.0.2
• 2.60.0.0 (EOL - UOKR DEATH SWITCH)

 

[ShriNayne]

I hated KR back in the day, but back then I hadn't really played any other games, now when I see it again I wish they had made more of an effort to get it accepted, things might be very different now if they had.

 

[Grimoric]

I hated KR back in the day, but back then I hadn't really played any other games, now when I see it again I wish they had made more of an effort to get it accepted, things might be very different now if they had.

The biggest issue was that they allowed classic to be run at the same time. The optimization and speed were a lot better on classic. This left payers on UOKR to die in PVP situations. This was one of the major issues that made players reject the client. Then we had the new graphics that a lot didn't like either sins it was to "screaming".

 

[petemage]

I hated KR back in the day, but back then I hadn't really played any other games, now when I see it again I wish they had made more of an effort to get it accepted, things might be very different now if they had.

Fast forward 2019: Everyone with a mondern mindset is no longer working on UO and those developers that are left only use the CC and add features that are 10 years behind what the old EC team did a decade ago (sortable and searchable jewelry box anyone?). Needlessly to say, all new additions to the EC are not properly moddable but only "least effort" counterparts of what they do for the CC.

Still they have enough pom-pom wavers which cheer over panifully horrible stuff like the jewelry box, the recent book fixes (only done because it was screwing people in the CC, dont fool yourself thinking they wanted to improve anything in the EC), the EJ bank box and basically everything they add these days.

As a EC player you got to accept that the devs would rather see you play any other game than doing anything for your client. Maybe one day someone will buy UO, kick the current staff and make something out of it.