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<Devs> Why doesn't Siege Perilous have a EM?

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Martyna Zmuir

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Because with the seers and EMS mystery was part of the game, which is what makes it a game in the first place. Mystery also involved a kind of intuition within game that makes people "dig it" ... a feeling that something important is happening and that we are not merely wasting our time.

Stuff built meant something, and people fighting evil fought true evil, politics ; philosophy.

But when the story touched "real life" in that some people started profiting BIG MONEY from a virtuality, that is when the seers had a storyline that was interesting because it was tangible.

It was also in line with the other Ultima storyline, the avatar had finally a chance to make a difference contrary to the single player games which had a "destiny".

But it also was menacing to certain industrialists, more truth meant less money, and things unveiled with the powerful emotion crowds like this can have ; well it became a true danger to capitalism.

So when this happened ppl started fraud, selling duped gold for real life money, and the indulstialists (nor EA nor anyone in particular that we know of) who pulled the strings managed a big stunt.

They manage to fire everyone who were so involved they were the true "game masters" and thus ruining the continuity of the experience ; at the same time they wrote a IN GAME privacy clause that made it so ppl could not be "scrutinised" and then this HUGE disclaimer that in fact protected the true ORGANISED fraudsters.

So thats two birds with one stone ; thats even one metaphysical bird over that.
That was rather confusing, to be honest...

The Seers didn't form some secret cabal to start selling items, that was one corrupt GM that did ALL that. One person. Not the Seers.

That also wasn't the reason the volunteers were 'fired,' not even close. EA was sued under US law for labor violations. The US doesn't allow for-profit companies to have a volunteer staff. The volunteer programs were cancelled because EA decided that ending it all was easier than paying for the support UO deserved. In the end, EA lost in court - UO lost more in the long run.

The modern, paid EMs have their work cut out for them. They not only have to shore up the shoddy metafiction, but provide unique plot lines on their shard. Some are better than others, thus some shards have more going on.

Take GL for example. The EMs do roleplay. They interact with the players and their stories change as a result of what we do and say. We've even held trials of EM characters on GL... Trials where the end result was in the player's hands, not the EMs. (One of these trials went on for FIVE HOURS. The EMs stayed the entire time. That’s dedication.)

The EMs add a much needed dynamic in UO. Unique plotlines, unique characters, unique locations, and yes even unique items from time to time. Each shard should have the opportunity to enjoy the entertainment they bring, regardless of how any whiners show up.

Simply put, bringing back the EMs is THE best thing Cal has done for UO. Hands. Down.
 

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Do you even know who and what you are talking about ?

With all due respect I think you have no idea. I was there, I was 14 years old and my memory is crispy clear.

GM Datura who was held responsible for selling over 100 THOUSAND USD $ of gold and fined ONLY 3000$ for the "e-crime". She was 18 y.o. at the time and I knew her.

If you think this girl, who was just being introduced by many other "cool" Gms AND seers, whom I also know to the world of underground parties, drugs and techno music all night... she even had an interview about it which you can find here. By reading the interview if you have not a clear idea on how machiavelic this girl was (NOT) then you will know a bit of truth.

Ever wonder why most senior gms and seers only logged in at 3 PM... they partied all night on the money they were making during the day. And they boasted about it when I was there, many times.

Thing is, they know we only knew them by alias, and they also boasted about how they opened all those dummy accounts with gift CCs where they stored all the gold they were taking away from the hackers, so even if they got caught, they would pay the fine and just continue.

Most of those players were in the FoA and their character IRL was just like their character in game, they were truely evil. They had those rituals where they sacrificed virgins and they did those in private, without any other players present... there was the Zog Cabal and they magiks they did were true black magicks taken out of some shady books, kabalistic magics at that which I was able to cross-link.

I was totally traumatised by that as a kid, but also by the fact they had elected me on atlantic to be the choosen one, the one who is genuinely evil and serves as a source of chaos in their midst. And I was good at that, spontaneous RP...

They dropped it in green acres, and few elite players had runes there, only thing left to do is bring the gold inside small houses scattered everywhere.

I was a seer assistant myself (I was just about to be robed when this happened, thus the grudge) and I have seen this all with my own eyes. I have also seen other well know UO figures found empires upon that principle, empires that span until WoW brigning millions perhaps even billions to undeserving hands who now hire chinese kids to do the "legalised" job.

The real reason you are brigning up for the lawsuit is totally bogus, for one main reason. This is a game and all volunteers were paying to PLAY a seer. I was paying to PLAY a seer, there is no LABOR there and the disclaimer could have been EASILY adapted.

You are being naive, and I'm sorry to say that, but this is a smoke screen ; a total bad joke which makes me want to puke because I studied law myself and went over this with my lawyer friend.

But... I agree, EMS are great and I never tought otherwise.

It is the censorship applied to many of the EMs, that frustrates me. Because the powers that be are still at work here, and everything has a reason to be.

And Uuvtha, I know what you did, I'm just trying to make you all see that there is a DEEP, Ultima WORTHY, reason that this is happening, and its all political. I NEVER suggested to close siege, in fact I am thinking about joining BECAUSE of what it stands for.

And the guardian is laughing at your expense right now.
 
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EA still retracted seers, counselors and so on because there could have been a lawsuit.

They said they would look into it to bring them back, but it seems the only decent way is to pay them.

And I think the original lawsuit started with AOL volunteers suing AOL and EA just decided to stop before the same could happen to them.
 

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AOL was a service, UO a game...

And you just need to read the new disclaimer that followed to see the intention behind it.

I find it also important to emphasize that we are not looking for someone responsible here, but definately somewhere someone had enough power so that Richard Gariott himself let his "baby" go, setting aside from an objective point of view, his virtuous kings life.
 

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The real reason was that there was gold selling on a quite massive scale and noone at EA knew exactly who was involved and who wasn't.

But anyhow without the whole team, the continuity we so cherished was broken, and that in my opinion was the culprit because EA and all corporations were becoming enemies of the "good common sense and community".

The only decent way to have a storyline is with seers, gms AND counselors ; everyone knows that now that we see how EA handles EMs by not even giving them the power to squelch.

GMs run the show, place everyone and give orders for synchronous deployment.

Seers peek into the lives of the most prominent members of the community so that each REAL ROLEPLAY background can be taken into account and weaved in real time with the characters in the story. Then he moves on to guilds and a complex societal system thus results from the combination of economy, story and lore.

Counselors are there to guide the players to find their roles, to advance and not be a quitter, because it all means something ; it is the noblest job and the least prone to corruption. Although the rune to green acres that my friend had came straight from a senior counselor.

And thats what happens here, corruption.

The most funny thing is that I know how with a simple script to prevent that ; turning privacy into its real GAMING counterpart which is intimacy.

This is a bit adultish of a discussion for me, but I'm interested.

It's obviously political and about money ; you can take the fairytale out of your head right now.
 

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Do you even know who and what you are talking about ?
I'm going to give you benefit of the doubt and say that most of what you posted has to be sarcasm and wit, because otherwise... well, we'll leave it at that.

In re: the rest of the lawsuit...

There was...
INDEED...
a lawsuit...

The only report I can find of its outcome suggests it was settled, but as a former Senior Counselor, I did, indeed have a class-action notice sent to me. I also sent in my request to be removed from that class action because I, to this day, believe that it was a bunch of hooey over garbage initiated by people who were upset because they felt they were entitled to continue to volunteer and entitled to "promotions" without actually stepping up to the tasks such a "promotion" would have entailed.

But no... the real reason for the end of Seers, the end of Counselors, the end of Troubadours, and the end of Companions had absolutely NOTHING to do with gold selling. What REALLY happened was just slightly before this all went down, a similar situation occurred over on AOL with their volunteer moderators, and so someone who felt slighted in the Counselor program (and yes, it originated from within the Counselor program) decided it would be nice to sue.

So... we can stop with the revisionist history and live on as it actually went down.
 

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Thanks, thats exactly what I needed, that someone who actually knows and seeks does the dirty job for me.

I was seeking for these documents...

I know the counselor who did this, and he was deeply involved in the gold selling. I also have insider information that tells me they had someone on the inside who was charged of pushing the privacy clause because the gold selling ring was at risk of a server wipe.

Which did occur, albeit temporarly on atlantic, because of me.

But to protect their hard earned duped gold, they needed to do exactly that.

And it went exactly as planed, because I was too afraid to step up and say what I had seen.

You said it...

to this day you beleive in their fairy tale, now you have a chance to be the wiser.

To say that money and power aren't connected would be foolhardy, don't you think ?

OKAY there we go :
former counselors (if anyone finds other info, please do post it). The amount given to at least one volunteer - $1,267.21. Just a little background - a group of former UO volunteer helpers filed a class action lawsuit against EA in 2000 (they'd been previously hit with a suit about their quality of service but that was dismissed as far as I can tell).
In 2000 the class action was filed. The seer program ended abruptedly in late 1999... go look at the BNN transcripts.
 

RaDian FlGith

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AOL was a service, UO a game...
UO is as much a service as AOL is. In fact, you'll notice in the TOS that EA refers to UO as a service. While, by definition, it is a game because it has objectives and is played, that doesn't change that it is, indeed, a game.

The problem is that the government has failed to realize that in both volunteer cases, the additional presence of the volunteers didn't actually make either service any more saleable, and that indeed, in both cases, the volunteers were people who volunteered to help others who were otherwise going to be playing or using the service anyway.

In short, there wasn't any true "employment" being put into place by either AOL or EA. Specifically in the case of EA, we know that UO has continued to survive for nearly a decade without any sort of volunteer, which sort of proves the counterpoint that volunteers were not a necessary part of the service.

What sucked, in both cases, is that due to the loss of volunteers, a vibrant addition to each community was removed and is no longer available.

But this is what happens when people volunteer to do something and then feel they're entitled to this or that for their volunteer service, as well as people who when asked to put in 6 hours of time don't know how to stop, start putting in 40 hours, and then feel that they were forced to do so even though nothing could have been further from the truth.

Of course, the other item, that they were asked to work scheduled slots, truly had no bearing on anything. People volunteer for scheduled slots all the time, but that was one of the key items that the people suing felt made it a "job" vs. volunteering. It doesn't, but that doesn't stop the greedy and "downtrodden" from running around screaming "We've been exploited!"

It was stupid, and it broke a very positive aspect of both communities, but there's nothing to be done about it now in post lawsuit territory.
 

RaDian FlGith

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In 2000 the class action was filed. The seer program ended abruptedly in late 1999... go look at the BNN transcripts.
Actually, that's completely untrue. The seer program was running up until just following the launch of Ultima Online: Third Dawn, which was in March of 2001. In fact, the volunteer programs all ended I believe in April or May of 2001 -- except for the Companion Program, which did not end for at least several months after, but which also took in no further participants.

As for gold selling... no Counselor was involved in that. Counselors couldn't even create gold.

Now, it's true that GM Ghostpig -- whose real name I forget -- was let go from EA allegedly for selling gold. But that's GMs who sat down in Austin, Texas, not volunteers who had less than GM access to the game.
 

Martyna Zmuir

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Nice pile of B.S. kid.

Wrong on so many counts that is funny.

Do you even know who and what you are talking about ?

With all due respect I think you have no idea. I was there, I was 14 years old and my memory is crispy clear.


Obviously not so much. Especially since the age requirement to be a counselor was 18, and you had to fax a copy of photo ID. So you’re a liar.

I was a counselor in ’98 when I was 19, so my memory isn’t filtered through delusion inducing hormones.

GM Datura who was held responsible for selling over 100 THOUSAND USD $ of gold and fined ONLY 3000$ for the "e-crime". She was 18 y.o. at the time and I knew her.

BZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZT. Sorry, wrong GM! Like to Try again? No?

GM Darwin and Gm Ghostpig were the ones caught with their hand in the cookie jar, GM Datura was accused of favoritism. Darwin was the one selling mainly keep and castle deeds on e-bay and raking in the dough.

If you think this girl, who was just being introduced by many other "cool" Gms AND seers, whom I also know to the world of underground parties, drugs and techno music all night... she even had an interview about it which you can find here. By reading the interview if you have not a clear idea on how machiavelic this girl was (NOT) then you will know a bit of truth.

*yawns*

Sorry, by early 2000 I was a Seer on LS… So yeah, I can say unequivocally state that this is utter and complete B.S. We were spread out around the country, no late night drug-filled parties. If the GMs had any they didn’t invite us.

Ever wonder why most senior gms and seers only logged in at 3 PM... they partied all night on the money they were making during the day. And they boasted about it when I was there, many times.

Thing is, they know we only knew them by alias, and they also boasted about how they opened all those dummy accounts with gift CCs where they stored all the gold they were taking away from the hackers, so even if they got caught, they would pay the fine and just continue.


Again, B.S. The GMs were only in the IRC channels of the shards they were assigned to that day. Regular Counselors weren’t allowed in their main channel. Also, these channels were logged so they could be reviewed by Origin/EA – and they were on several occasions when things got out of hand.



Most of those players were in the FoA and their character IRL was just like their character in game, they were truely evil. They had those rituals where they sacrificed virgins and they did those in private, without any other players present... there was the Zog Cabal and they magiks they did were true black magicks taken out of some shady books, kabalistic magics at that which I was able to cross-link.

And here you jumped off the deep end into seriously delusional fantasy. Virgin sacrifices? True black magic? Uh huh. Please, see a therapist and get a good antipsychotic.

I was totally traumatised by that as a kid, but also by the fact they had elected me on atlantic to be the choosen one, the one who is genuinely evil and serves as a source of chaos in their midst. And I was good at that, spontaneous RP...

They dropped it in green acres, and few elite players had runes there, only thing left to do is bring the gold inside small houses scattered everywhere.


Uhm. Uh huh. Green Acres was ‘landmined’ with uber mobs to discourage the use of those runes.

I was a seer assistant myself (I was just about to be robed when this happened, thus the grudge) and I have seen this all with my own eyes.

Then you would know the correct term was Troubadour, not ‘assistant.’ But since you didn’t meet the age requirement for the counselors, you sure as hell didn’t meet it to be a seer. If you were 14 at the start of the Seer program in ’98 you would have been 17 –maybe- 18 in 2001 when the programs went poof.

I have also seen other well know UO figures found empires upon that principle, empires that span until WoW brigning millions perhaps even billions to undeserving hands who now hire chinese kids to do the "legalised" job.

Yes, gold farming bad. We all understand this, not going to feed the delusion that the big, mean GMs and Seers were behind it all… ‘Cuz, well, they weren’t.

The real reason you are brigning up for the lawsuit is totally bogus, for one main reason. This is a game and all volunteers were paying to PLAY a seer. I was paying to PLAY a seer, there is no LABOR there and the disclaimer could have been EASILY adapted.

You are being naive, and I'm sorry to say that, but this is a smoke screen ; a total bad joke which makes me want to puke because I studied law myself and went over this with my lawyer friend.


Ahahahahahahahahahahaha!

Sorry, that’s hilarious. Counselor and Seer accounts were FREE the entire time you were a volunteer, it was part of the deal. You only paid for any secondary accounts you had.

I still have a copy of the lawsuit paperwork since it was sent to each of us. EA lost the suit and had to pay back wages to the volunteers, or at least the ones who joined the suit (which was class action) Your “study of law” is the true smokescreen, as is your ‘lawyer’ friend.

Simply put EA knowlingly and willingly broke US labor law by having unpaid volunteers which has to adhere to a set schedule and perform reporting for a for-profit company. You can’t put in a disclaimer to defraud someone; same as in a contract.


But... I agree, EMS are great and I never tought otherwise.

It is the censorship applied to many of the EMs, that frustrates me. Because the powers that be are still at work here, and everything has a reason to be.


You realize that the only constant here is EA… 99% of the UO team has changed. ALL of the GMs are new and don’t have the same powers the old ones did. EMs don’t have the same powers Seers did. You seriously have NO idea WTF you’re talking about.
 

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I know that purposefully ! You will notice I am not replying to you as if you were complete dumb, just a little naive.

There were lots of them, remove your blinders. I also said most counselors were not put in corruption's way, but some did ; and marking a rune to the green acres where by some HUGE MYSTERIOUS CONFLUENCE OF CHANCE ! Gms dropped duped gold and regs...

That was one counselor, and his presence wasn't necessary, exept for that part of the job, which was to put up anger in the program.

Yes an agent orange, and I'm glad you didn't participate ; I didn't either.

But I was first a counselor, then almost became a seer, so let me tell you I do remember how the position I had been working SO HARD for was taken away from me, and when.

They fired everyone, just before the FOA story completed... what you call the seer program after that was a theatre with clowns trying to make it not so obvious the real interests at play READ : MILLIONS OF DOLLARS.

But you are again right about this fact, they all sat down IRL together to plan this in austin, texas. And two of my dearest friends in game died while they were investigating just that, and guess what, they lived near and went to regional meetings in austin, texas.

The gold selling ring might have nothing to do with this, maybe one crazy kid on drugs who didn't want to say goodbye to his money cow... Gabriella (GM Datura also spoke of their drug use)

Catherine "Terendil" Reab, had worked her way up in the volunteer program to the position of regional lead counselor, managing a rather large team of volunteers under her. For this, she was given $500 per month as a thank you, in addition to various goodies (including sundries), both real and virtual (in-game), from OSI, including a free monthly account. As reported about a month ago, OSI suddenly stopped the free accounts for volunteers and took away some of the goodies that the volunteers had gotten used to.
Can you see now ?
 

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But I was first a counselor, then almost became a seer, so let me tell you I do remember how the position I had been working SO HARD for was taken away from me, and when.
There were a few Counselors that joined the Seer program, and vice versa... but I'm not quite sure why you think it was "taken away from you."

They fired everyone, just before the FOA story completed... what you call the seer program after that was a theatre with clowns trying to make it not so obvious the real interests at play READ : MILLIONS OF DOLLARS.
No, no they did not. The FOA story culminated with the opening of T2A... you know, the expansion for Ultima Online that hit the game in late 1998? The volunteer programs were not terminated until after the release of Third Dawn in March of 2001 -- I believe it was April, but might have been as late as May that the programs were closed down.

Another irony is your mention of Green Acres. It is true that there were players who had houses in Green Acres because they'd found a way to bug there. Prior to the opening of UO:T2A, a great many houses were FORCED to move, and they cleaned out Green Acres.

What's funny about your tales thus far is that you have bits and pieces of truthful information mixed up and disguised in a manner that create a new, revisionist version of what happened -- but all together, they do not form a new truth; they're simply rearranged facts.

But you are again right about this fact, they all sat down IRL together to plan this in austin, texas. And two of my dearest friends in game died while they were investigating just that, and guess what, they lived near and went to regional meetings in austin, texas.
So your implication is that your friends -- who were "investigating" this -- were killed by GMs in Austin, Texas so that they could hold onto their goldmine? That's paranoia, delusion, but not fact.

The gold selling ring might have nothing to do with this, maybe one crazy kid on drugs who didn't want to say goodbye to his money cow... Gabriella (GM Datura also spoke of their drug use)
Err... no.

Can you see now ?
Oh, I can see clearly now, the rain is gone, there are no obstacles in my way. What I see is scary. The quote you provided about Terendil is true in part... they did stop providing us free accounts, but it was AFTER Terendil and her buddy boy who she was "protecting" (was that you, perchance?) had filed her lawsuit. They also took away our "goodies" in the form of sashes, hats, whatever that helped create unique Counselor characters not because they were being mean about it but because the new global queue that we were moving into had not been designed to handle updated characters, but rather move a singular "character" from shard to shard in the queue. Global queue, btw, allowed us to answer a call on say Napa Valley, and then go to the next call on say Pacific.

Again, it's a strange perversion of truth, but that doesn't make the real truth any less true or your "truth" any more real.
 

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Thanks, thats exactly what I needed, that someone who actually knows and seeks does the dirty job for me.

I was seeking for these documents...

I know the counselor who did this, and he was deeply involved in the gold selling. I also have insider information that tells me they had someone on the inside who was charged of pushing the privacy clause because the gold selling ring was at risk of a server wipe.

Which did occur, albeit temporarly on atlantic, because of me.


*rolls eyes*

Seems you knew everyone who was crooked then. Did they whisper all this in your ear as they made you their virgin sacrifice during their dark rites while doing drugs as the techno beat thrummed in the background? You know this makes what you say about as reliable as a mob informant, right?

Counselors has zero access to UO's customer data, they could see your char name and the char ID#. That’s it. "Someone on the inside" is the best lie you could come up with? Please, go back to your Legos, little one.

To say that money and power aren't connected would be foolhardy, don't you think ?

To say that you know WTF you're talking about would be just a foolhardy.
 

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I'm sorry to have you go through this Martyna, but laughs best who laughs last in some situations.

It's interesting how you have to belittle me before you start, anyhow.

Was that also true to be a seer ? and a companion ?

I never faxed one ID, I never signed one silly piece of paper because I never went through the official channels.

The seers came and took me out of the bunch themselves, and I had the same account, with a counselor character (that didn't last long) then a seer character (I had not the powers that came with it, but was supposed to get them eminently) and then last (and I was accepted like that in the program for the only reason that I was helping in the seer program) a companion character which was erased.

ACB who was the companion in chief can attest to that, and probably also that I never was required to sign anything or fax an ID.

Oh they did ask it of me, but even if I said no they still took me in because they KNEW I was a kid and that I was CRYING because I had worked 6 months on an elaborate storyline for the FoA, which I had profesionally written and corrected by an english major, all in old brittish style english.

Is it surprising to you ? Would I have a reason to really... LIE ?

Do you think after all this animosity that an EA employee would even think of speaking to me... I lost any reason to lie a while ago, when I saw the level of corruption.

Is it the first time that you see people NOT go by the book ? It's especially easy you know when noone looks at what you are doing and there is noone to watch the watchers.

They typed in one command, and I was a companion, the robe appeared. Then I tried a few things, next week they came to me saying they would need me for something else, and I was to play a character in the storyline until they knew I could be trusted with the story's mysticism (which was what made it interesting).

When the even in relvinian's maze was over they told me, to get my story finished that I was to be promoted and finally would be official, if I only kept quiet about my age.

Oh and there was a bunch of them doing the selling on e-bay, and then it continued on private sites. We reviewed a few articles claiming that Datura was the one sued in court, if you have any other references they are more than welcome.

You have also to understand that these events occured on atlantic, which wasn't so by the book compared to LS.

What did you do as a seer on LS ? I mean it's interesting... I'd like to know about it and why there is no records on that that I can find... why all old websites talking about that era were erased, even in the wayback machine all removed "because of owners request" ?

You are just afraid. This is a sad sight... afraid that your laws might be so brittle in this universe, that someone as wicked as me could be right.

Oh and yes... I do lie sometimes, but you're way off.
 

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You both are providing me with more information that I ever expected, thank you for this.

And for biting to my troll.

I knew some of you still HAD to be around, not just ACB.

Initial steps were taken today to prepare for the coming trial of the Leader of the Followers of Armageddon. Lord British’s spokesperson, Halston Montil, announced today that Judge Winton Arlis was appointed to hear the case. Judge Arlis brings over thirty years experience at the bench. Montil stated, “Judge Arlis’ record of jurisprudence speaks for itself. We are confident he will conduct a thorough and just trial, in full accordance with the laws of our land.”

Montil also announced today the appointment of the counsels for both the defense and the prosecution. Surprising to no Court insiders, Lord Julius Darnell was named as the Prosecution for the State. Lord Darnell has, as yet, an unbroken string of ninety-seven successful prosecutions, and is famed for his flamboyant style.

In a surprise move, however, Montil announced that local Skara Braen lawyer Grant Adams was named as the Counsel for the Defense. Adams, 29, is young, but very experienced, with forty-eight successful defenses in his name—including the infamous “Red Arrow Murder” trial—but has never handled a Capital crime case to date. Montil said, “Given the sensitive political nature of this trial, Lord British decided it best to broaden the search for the best lawyer to defend the FoA leader beyond the traditional pool of Realm Barristers. The State’s intention is to assure that a fair, vigorous, and unbiased defense is given in this matter. Mr. Adams was viewed as the best candidate to meet these criteria, and has embroiled himself into the case with the utmost of enthusiasm.”

Montil also declared that as soon as Discovery was completed (a process he hoped would be done within a week), subpoenas would be sent out to witnesses to events. Among those expected to be summoned are Sir Geoffrey and Mariah of Moonglow. Montil finished with the announcement that while the trials would be closed to the public for reasons of security, a rotating member of the press would be allowed to bear witness to events. “Our absolute intention,” Montil concluded, “is that the public has full view and record of all that transpires, and that the questions that have plagued us for so long as finally answered to the satisfaction of all.”

A small demonstration by pro-FoA Citizens was conducted in front of the King’s castle in Britain this afternoon protesting the continued incarceration of the FoA Leader, but no violence was reported at the rally.
January 14th 1999

Is that what you call at culmination ?

I would rather call it a story that never finished and was covered up EXTREMELY quick because of what happened.

And yes I knew all the crooked ones, and they were all on atlantic, because thats where it started.

After that the continuity and the significance of the whole ultima series was covered up. Look for yourselves !
 
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Gilthas

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So...did we ever find out why Siege doesn't haven an EM?

:popcorn:

'Cause, you know...that's what this was supposed to be about. Not delusion theories built around the end of the volunteer program.

Can we move back to the topic at hand?
 

Ahuaeyjnkxs

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It is on topic, because its the way the game forked, that explains its very political destiny.

Martyna wouldn't use strong words like EXISION which means the cutting off of you know what part of the woman's body in certain cultures.

If it wasn't that serious !

It is also in relation with the advent of trammel.

It has been done. Months of preparation and study have finally come together in one last surge of hope for you, the people. Though the … expectations of the spell were not quite as planned, where you now stand is our New World. A better world, free from the fears wrought by the temptress, Minax.

As many may know, the minions of the dark lady have ruthlessly struck at a number of our fair cities. Vile creatures led by fanatical generals disrupted our way of life. Even our very guards, sworn to protect all, were disabled with an insidious spell that caused them to see all threats as common occurrences. Many rallied their forces to aid the good citizens, however the constant threat managed to overwhelm even their fervent vigor.

Then Trinsic fell completely. A darkened sea of undead, called forth by the black temple in the city's heart, swarmed the gates laying waste to all in its path. All walks of humanity brought valiant efforts forth, yet could not stem the tide. Always more would come, seeking; killing; destroying. With the power of the moon keys this blight eventually ended, and the temple was shattered, but the cost was very high.

Knowing this was only one small spark of light in a vast encroaching darkness, our king sought my aid in discovering a solution - a solution that would protect his citizens from what he knew was to come. One final and irrevocable. For long days and nights I searched the vaults of the castle and libraries. Mystical tomes were discarded stack by stack; scrolls tossed aside with barely a cursory glance. It began to seem an almost pointless quest until I happened across an old leather bound book tucked away in a cabinet. Many pages were decayed beyond legibility yet when coupled with what Shamino learned while a prisoner in the realm of Minax, I knew this was what I sought.

I will not lie to you when I say I was unsure as to the effects of the spell within the tome as well as the stone devices for which it called. Many of the passages offered obscure references to sealing off threats, evil, and other such stuff. But when the man dying of thirst is unsure the glass of water is safe to drink, he will do so anyway out of desperation. And I was parched.

In haste the stone obelisks were carved and placed in the cities of Britannia. Eight in all, they sat waiting for the proper words to ignite the magic they would gather. Words I myself would speak to them from the book. As you are well able to see, I made my decision and began the incantation.

I stood at the largest of the stone structures in Britain as I opened the tome and started. All over the land I could sense the other structures ignite with life and burst to the heavens above. Pure energy as I have never felt in all of my years of arcane studies tore through me; cradled me in its grasp. I pulsed with the magic, drew it into me. Then released it into the night sky. As the incantation neared completion, a moonstone fell from a pouch on my belt and landed on the ground. After a few seconds, the moonstone buried itself in the ground and an unusual looking moongate sprung into being in its place. I felt myself being drawn into the strange moongate. What occurred next is possibly beyond even the bards to put into words. The air split and shifted. In one breath I was staring into an endless torrent of light, the next I was looking over a pristine landscape. The world I had always dreamed of. Our world. With a silent roar of thunder my consciousness slid from my grasp.

I awoke to find the ancient tome no more then scattered ashes across my robe. The loss of such a vessel of knowledge made me momentarily wince in pain of loss; yet I could barely think of that in light of what I hoped had been accomplished. A hand helped me up from the ground then as a familiar voice spoke to me, "It is done." I felt elation grip me as I stared at the world around me in pride. That feeling slowly fled though as I stared upon the wistful face of my liege and friend.

It was done indeed…

- Nystul
You have been protected from the fears that Minax wrought, or ... were you really ?
 

Martyna Zmuir

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I'm sorry to have you go through this Martyna, but laughs best who laughs last in some situations.

It's interesting how you have to belittle me before you start, anyhow.



You’re belittling us with your lies… *shrugs*

Was that also true to be a seer ? and a companion ?

I never faxed one ID, I never signed one silly piece of paper because I never went through the official channels.

The seers came and took me out of the bunch themselves, and I had the same account, with a counselor character (that didn't last long) then a seer character (I had not the powers that came with it, but was supposed to get them eminently) and then last (and I was accepted like that in the program for the only reason that I was helping in the seer program) a companion character which was erased.

ACB who was the companion in chief can attest to that, and probably also that I never was required to sign anything or fax an ID.

Oh they did ask it of me, but even if I said no they still took me in because they KNEW I was a kid and that I was CRYING because I had worked 6 months on an elaborate storyline for the FoA, which I had profesionally written and corrected by an english major, all in old brittish style english.


Please. A corporate entity isn’t going to open itself up to a lawsuit from your parents if something untoward happened while you volunteered for them. Internet or not. All volunteers has to supply photo ID and information to Origin.

The Seers didn’t have the power to robe you, or get you into the program. They could recommend you to OSI, who would then send you an application – usually two. You’d then become a Troubadour while you trained.

As for the FoA plotline, most of that was set in stone with only small pieces left up to those playing the roles of the baddies. No grandiose plots that differed radically from the other shards, unless an on-stage accident happened (such as someone forgetting their invul tag, crashing, and finding out they had died…)

Nice touch with the “profesionally written and corrected by an english major, all in old brittish style English,” but a bit over the top. Keep your hyperbole simple and people just might believe it. Now, notsomuch.

Is it surprising to you ? Would I have a reason to really... LIE ?

Do you think after all this animosity that an EA employee would even think of speaking to me... I lost any reason to lie a while ago, when I saw the level of corruption.


Since ALL of the people working on UO back then are gone? Yeah, I see a reason for you to lie. Nobody left to contradict your tall tales of drugs, black magic, virgin sacrifice and rampant corruption.
Is it the first time that you see people NOT go by the book ? It's especially easy you know when noone looks at what you are doing and there is noone to watch the watchers.

Everything we did was logged. People did watch for the corruption, hence why Darwin and Ghostpig got the boot.

They typed in one command, and I was a companion, the robe appeared. Then I tried a few things, next week they came to me saying they would need me for something else, and I was to play a character in the storyline until they knew I could be trusted with the story's mysticism (which was what made it interesting).

When the even in relvinian's maze was over they told me, to get my story finished that I was to be promoted and finally would be official, if I only kept quiet about my age.


Again, sorry. The Seers/GMs didn’t have that power. That took the head of the program to authorize, and much later IGMs.


Oh and there was a bunch of them doing the selling on e-bay, and then it continued on private sites. We reviewed a few articles claiming that Datura was the one sued in court, if you have any other references they are more than welcome.

You have also to understand that these events occured on atlantic, which wasn't so by the book compared to LS.


Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight. With all the power you attribute to the people doing these things, they only did it on one shard. Before transfer tokens. Mmmm hmmm. Logic fail there.

What did you do as a seer on LS ? I mean it's interesting... I'd like to know about it and why there is no records on that that I can find... why all old websites talking about that era were erased, even in the wayback machine all removed "because of owners request" ?

Let’s see, the pirate attacks on Moonglow and Trinsic. The undead uprising on Nujel’m. And several things with orcs and the Mage Tower.

Not all records have been erased, and those that have? Who knows. Again, not a Machiavellian plot to “hide the truth”

You are just afraid. This is a sad sight... afraid that your laws might be so brittle in this universe, that someone as wicked as me could be right.

Oh and yes... I do lie sometimes, but you're way off.


What exactly am I supposed to be afraid of? You? Sorry, but you’ve only proven that you’re delusional and a bad liar. Seriously, virgin sacrifice? Why not toss in animal mutilation, alien abduction, sparkly vampires, and the Illuminati while you’re at it?
 
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What exactly am I supposed to be afraid of? You? Sorry, but you’ve only proven that you’re delusional and a bad liar. Seriously, virgin sacrifice? Why not toss in animal mutilation, alien abduction, sparkly vampires, and the Illuminati while you’re at it?
I have it on good authority that the Illuminati want nothing to do with this person.

:coco:
 
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Wow... just wow...

I would stop responding to him now people, it just feeds his delusions.
 

Martyna Zmuir

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You both are providing me with more information that I ever expected, thank you for this.

And for biting to my troll.

I knew some of you still HAD to be around, not just ACB.


Oh, I knew you were a troll – don’t kid yourself into believing that anyone didn’t.

Several people from back then are still around, and we won’t let an idiot liar tarnish what was good from back then with outrageous lies.

January 14th 1999

Is that what you call at culmination ?

I would rather call it a story that never finished and was covered up EXTREMELY quick because of what happened.

And yes I knew all the crooked ones, and they were all on atlantic, because thats where it started.

After that the continuity and the significance of the whole ultima series was covered up. Look for yourselves !


Nobody said the ending was great. Most of the metaplots only existed to drop a new expansion or system, they still do. However, some shards handled things better than others and had the characters hand around a little bit longer.

Woe be to you for insinuating that Atlantic is a den of corruption which dealt a sucker punch to UO. I hope some Atl players come into this thread…

UO isn’t cannon Ultima, you get that…right? We started 300 years after Ultima I and still have Minax and Exodus lurking in the shadows to this day. UO is Ultima told without the Avatar, a different history to unfold. Cope.

Martyna wouldn't use strong words like EXISION which means the cutting off of you know what part of the woman's body in certain cultures.

If it wasn't that serious !


Uhm. WOW. Just WOW.

Bad at using a dictionary are you? Excision means to cut off or out. But no, you had to take it to a human rights abuse issue with no relevance to this thread. You seriously need help.
 

Ahuaeyjnkxs

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Are we playing yet ?

Thank you for making it plainly obvious to siege players that YOU get the favoritism.

I didn't ask for that much !

Double troll on you ! You tought I was a troll, but I disguised a troll under a troll argument that you might have been trolled unwittingly !

The most funny part, is that saying a couple of intelligent ppl who scammed everyone off their game ; dosen't tarnish what was good.

In fact it is completely illogical and fallacious.

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I'm starting to have fun now.

I have studied and followed Ultima lore from an early age, it would be extreemly arrogant from your part to think that a human could study something without realising the majoy difference between cannon ultima and Ultima Online. But with the FoA thrown in, they were coming together, and the interactions between earth realm and britannia even the more.

You in fact never cared about Ultima, you were a seer but you tought everything is little and has no meaning. This is pathetic and it was far from my intention to make you look like that, but what can I do now.

Woe be to me... you curse me now... ouuuuhhh... black magik haha... its funny how you mention those on boards and ppl go all ape poo on you.

I just had to troll you on your 100$ word, just because you're really into this discussion, and the harder you bite, the more info I get.

Excision... couldn't you just have sounded normal and said, fired ? or are you inspired by my bad english ? (not my native language at all, I learned english with UO)

Do you think the seers, would have called their "evil one" a troubadour ? And you really think an elder GM had no power to robe someone ?

You REALLY think some ppl read GM's logs... rofl they barely had time to fix the bugs introduced by the last publish in the next !

This got quite a good laugh out of me thank you for that !

The reason they read their logs is because they made it so painfully obvious what they did... especially because they had their little scheme now running on every server with a gold duping exploit which could make an pile of gold so high that if someone stepped on it they would crash out for 7 minutes without any ability to log back in. It isn't because the events leading to the organisation were on atlantic that they were so stupid to only do it there... that is your logical fail.

But you could stand next to it, and then put it into bags, and with little help, fill houses with it.

I wasn't the one to invent the dupe, but I was the one who invented the feedback loop which allowed it to work hundredfold.

It allowed ppl who used it with UOE to steal a whole backpack in one click, GM poisoning in one click and many other skills.

At that point they weren't only selling houses and gold, but also characters.
 

Ahuaeyjnkxs

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I see you finally gave up... I'll pull you into the boat if you wish.

Mrs. roleplay on a trammel server who likes to act tough up to known internet bad guys who are known for their lies and trolling. (ie. me. with over 4 pages of stratics infractions)

Nice try to derail the thread off any significance.

Siege is the only server where roleplay can actually occur. And the way the ultima world is made, each of you, the avatar comes from earth and its destiny is linked with YOU.

I don't really beleive in anything that I say, but you make it real for me.

As long as there is people ready to speak before they think when trying to defend a few losers who decided of SP's fate... I'll be around in one form or another because that is my job.

I am a companion. I am, eternal. And I'll be joining siege shortly.

The Stranger July 15, 1999


I was weak when I left the stronghold of Mondain, and were it not for my burning desire to drink, I might have taken to the ground, and slept the sleep of the dead. But I was parched, and so with my mind fixated on ale and wine, I climbed to safety, carrying only my sword and a small bag of crystal shards.

Inside each shard I could see, by turning them this way and that, little pockets or mirrors of movement. They were like one of the childrens’ toys that Nystul had shown me, with pictures of clowns or warriors that danced and moved when the light hit them from different angles. But then, they were not like that at all. For the movement I could see within each of the shards was different, both from the other shards and from the way it looked itself in the light.

When I arrived at Lord British's castle, I assured all that Mondain had been defeated, and his evil ways would no more corrupt the land. With the Gem of Immortality destroyed, Lord British was quite sure that we were free of its influence. I showed Nystul the shards of the Gem. He was instantly fascinated and scurried off to his room to study them.


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I’d forgotten about the shards over time, but many, many years later, upon returning to aid Lord British once again, I discovered that others had not forgotten about them. I arrived at Lord British's castle weary, but in good spirits, as I was assured that evil had once again been defeated, and the land would be corrupted no longer. In fact Nystul was quite sure that the evil spell that had covered the world would never again be rekindled. When I asked Nystul about the shards of the Gem, he became visibly upset and vanished into his chambers.

I spent the next week in the company of Lord British himself, and was pampered by wine, meats, and riches. I woke one morning to find Nystul in my room, waiting for me to awaken from my slumber. He bid me to wash up and come to his chambers, and I did so (but only after having a hearty breakfast). I found his chambers, as always, covered with musty tomes, books, scrolls, and the occasional vial or beaker of strange fluids. On a large table at one end of the room a rat ran dizzily back and forth through a glass maze. Next to the maze sat Kyndeera, Nystul's cat, keeping a close eye on the rat's progress.

At the other end of the room sat Nystul, awaiting my presence. On the table in front of him, he had several of the larger shards of the Gem being held up by wire stands, so that he could look at them from almost every angle without touching them. I’d forgotten how beautiful they were. He beckoned me to come over, and as I did I noticed that even from where I stood ten or so paces away from the table, I could see movement within them. I was startled as I approached closer, and using the glass end of one of Nystul's magic spyglasses, I was able to look deep into the gem. And what I saw astounded me.

It was Britannia, the same that I stand on now, the same that I stood on as I looked into the shard of a gem and saw what I could only think of as Lord British’s realm. And the movement! It was amazing. Farmers toiled in fields outside of Yew. Paladins trained in Trinsic to do battle with the orcs that I could see amassing just outside of Cove. Ships sailed the oceans. A dragon darted into a cave north of Minoc. It was tiny, but with Nystul's glass I could see it all.

What does this mean? I asked Nystul. He simply gestured at the other shards. When he finally did speak, it was like he was afraid of each word coming out of his mouth. His discovery had made him weak and as he spoke he grew weaker. He told me that each of the shards contained a copy of the world of Britannia. Complete with Lord British's castle, the dungeons, Blackthorne's castle, and even the shrines. He was fascinated to find that in many respects, the mirrored worlds were the same. Shopkeepers, shoppes, taverns, bars. These could be found by looking in each of the mirrored worlds.

But at the same time there were striking differences. Nystuls voice dragged as he told me that in some worlds towers and castles were being erected in the dangerous areas outside the guards control. In some worlds murderers ran free throughout the woods, killing innocents with no thought to the consequences. He went on and on, for he'd been watching the worlds constantly for the last few days. He'd dreamed of them, and he'd had visions of their fates. He would reveal none of this to me, but instead, collapsed onto his bed and slept.

It was days later that Lord British invited me to visit his trophy room. I'd tried to forget about the shards of the Gem by then, losing myself in the majesty of the palace, and all the wine and food I could stuff into myself. Seeing Nystul in the trophy room arguing with Lord British about something brought me back to reality, and I realized just before they saw me that one of the shards was displayed prominently in the center of the room. I vaguely recalled there being a picture there before, but before I could remember what it was I was shocked into the present by the booming of Lord British's voice.

He bade me come in and have a look at his newest trophy. A shard of the Gem in which you could see the daily life of Britannians in a distorted reflection of reality. He seemed very pleased with it. Nystul was disdainful, but in the presence of our ruler he kept his head and made no disparaging remarks. It was while glancing at the shard on display that I realized which picture was missing. On a plaque just below the dais on which the shard sat were the words: SIEGE PERILOUS, and I recalled that it was a painting of my first trip to Sosaria through a moongate of that name.

I spoke with Lord British for several minutes about the shard, and he explained that he was most curious about the world it contained. What if, he asked, the world inside this shard is the real world? And we are merely a copy of the truth. Perhaps our world would soon be crushed under the heels of a tyrant and with it’s destruction would come our doom. I spoke plain and true, explaining to Lord British that any world which I inhabited must be the true real world. I was surprised that he did not share my view. But he merely smiled and nodded and Nystul mumbled something about arrogance.

Lord British was called away soon after, and once I was alone with Nystul he unloaded his doubts and fears on me. He led me back to his chambers and showed me one of the other shards. One in which war had broken out all across the land. I was reminded of the time I spent in the Stygian Abyss as I watched the battles play out through the shard. When he thought I'd seen enough, Nystul took the shard and wrapped it in black cloth.

He told me that he planned to destroy it later, using a method he could not describe. He was fearful that the fates would make things worse in the worlds of each of the other shards. To me he gave the task of separating them. They have more power, he said, when they are together. They somehow remember their time spent as the Gem, and they try to force their way back together, he told me. I reassured him that I would distribute the shards out amongst the world. The shard of Siege Perilous would remain behind in Lord British's trophy room. The rest would be taken to the four corners of the world.

I arranged to have a couple of the shards taken across land to remote locations in the woods or mountains. The rest I put on ships, to be taken far to the east and west, and in some cases around the world to distant lands. I don't know what happened to the shard that reminded me so much of the Abyss, but if Nystul is to be believed (and he usually is) then it's doom is forthcoming. I wonder sometimes, even now, what happened to those who inhabited that world.
 

Ahuaeyjnkxs

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Are you afraid too ? *chuckles*

Gilbert Von Deen May 13, 1999


The hedge maze was the site of some bizarre magical arts. Dark mages and mage lords swarmed the area performing a ritual that known knew the purpose. Who where these mysterious men and what was their dark mission? I fear we may never know. We are all lucky that whatever dark ritual was being in acted was interrupted by the brave citizens of Britannia. Who know what further havok they had in mind? As it was the mages had the Hedge Maze surrounded. They called forth foul Daemons and Elementals. Strange headless beasts attacked all those they perceived. Death and mayhem seemed to be endless. Yet our heroes did finally prevail.
I was there at the event, that is when my character was supposed to be introduced in atlantic story.

I was asked to take the scroll of armageddon, and the black gem, and hide beneath the maze in the little passage that I tought everyone knew. Of course people were supposed to find me and then kill me.

But the real goal of the FoA storyline was to lead to a shard bank and house wipe, because the hacking had broken the economy of the game. I was informed that also before and they said that their whole decision on to do it or not would depend on the issue of this event.

Well I hid in there, and not ONE player came to check in the passage. Then the seers left, everyone left, and I never was contacted again by them. Only my good friend Nick-of-Time whom introduced me to them in the first place talked to me again and explained to me what was decided (but that was much later)

I was left to roam the realms in my FoA robe and artifacts, and everyone would run away from me on sight (I was just a GM mage good at pvp, no special powers whatsoever).

I would eventually use the black gem and the scroll to cast britannia's first balron with the assistance of a wisp which allowed me to destroy the atlantic shard.

(many ppl remember this late night event, it was around 3-4 AM)

which wasn't intended , so a server backup from 2 days earlier was used to restart the servers.

Of course I lay low after that... but still know the truth.
 

Martyna Zmuir

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Are we playing yet ?

Thank you for making it plainly obvious to siege players that YOU get the favoritism.

I didn't ask for that much !

Double troll on you ! You tought I was a troll, but I disguised a troll under a troll argument that you might have been trolled unwittingly !

The most funny part, is that saying a couple of intelligent ppl who scammed everyone off their game ; dosen't tarnish what was good.

In fact it is completely illogical and fallacious.


Uh huh. Please, you’re a troll. Not even a particularly fun one to string along.. but, I’m bored.


I have studied and followed Ultima lore from an early age, it would be extreemly arrogant from your part to think that a human could study something without realising the majoy difference between cannon ultima and Ultima Online. But with the FoA thrown in, they were coming together, and the interactions between earth realm and britannia even the more.

Zog Cabal/FoA were unique to UO. Zog is only mentioned a few times cannon Ultima. Origin spun the FoA out of ideas the main games never used so we would have an enemy to fight and thus keep people interested. Earth has very little to do with UO. Aside from the Companions and LB, the only real mention of Earth was when UO launched and LB sent out a call to bring people from Earth – ostensibly this was to bring back the Stranger. He got “us” instead.

You in fact never cared about Ultima, you were a seer but you tought everything is little and has no meaning. This is pathetic and it was far from my intention to make you look like that, but what can I do now.

And here is where your ignorance and delusions converge into a quagmire of fecal material. You have no idea what I thought of things being a Seer…or even now. I like Ultima and UO lore, so much so that I have a wiki that’s specifically devoted to it. But unlike you, I’m not crazy enough to believe any of it is real or has an affect outside the game world.


Woe be to me... you curse me now... ouuuuhhh... black magik haha... its funny how you mention those on boards and ppl go all ape poo on you.

I just had to troll you on your 100$ word, just because you're really into this discussion, and the harder you bite, the more info I get.

Excision... couldn't you just have sounded normal and said, fired ? or are you inspired by my bad english ? (not my native language at all, I learned english with UO)


Yes, I have a vocabulary. Too bad you’re not understanding the word, or bothering to reference it properly. I used the word “excised” in reference to the bulk of your post’s text which I omitted. I think you’re the only one who didn’t get that. Reading comprehension is hard after all.

As for info… Who cares? It’s not like any of this is secret. A simple web search would have prepared you to lie better, or at least somewhat less obviously. Better lying through Google, look into it.

The English bit is a curious admission, are you saying you’re from outside the US?

Do you think the seers, would have called their "evil one" a troubadour ? And you really think an elder GM had no power to robe someone ?

Seers in training were called Troubadours, anyone who was in the program knows that. As for you being their “evil one,” I’ll leave that to your deluded masturbatory fantasies.

GM Eidolon was the one to robe people usually, not just any old ‘elder’ GM. And robes weren’t distributed willy-nilly either.

You REALLY think some ppl read GM's logs... rofl they barely had time to fix the bugs introduced by the last publish in the next !

This got quite a good laugh out of me thank you for that !


Since that’s how they figured out it was Darwin who was making the deeds, and Ghostpig making gold. Yes, yes I do. It’s called deduction and trail of evidence. You might have learned about it in that ‘law class’ you spoke of, or were you sick that day from Cracker Jack University?

The reason they read their logs is because they made it so painfully obvious what they did... especially because they had their little scheme now running on every server with a gold duping exploit which could make an pile of gold so high that if someone stepped on it they would crash out for 7 minutes without any ability to log back in. It isn't because the events leading to the organisation were on atlantic that they were so stupid to only do it there... that is your logical fail.

But you could stand next to it, and then put it into bags, and with little help, fill houses with it.


And this is beyond stupid. Sorry, really shows you have no idea what you’re talking about. GMs don’t need to ‘dupe’ like a player. Nor would they need (or want) to create black holes in Green Acres to do it.

Keeping it to one shard is also stupid. Atlantic couldn’t have supported their scheme all by itself. There were a dozen shards back then, they would have had to spread things around to lessen the likelihood of being immediately discovered. That’s your reality fail.


I wasn't the one to invent the dupe, but I was the one who invented the feedback loop which allowed it to work hundredfold.

It allowed ppl who used it with UOE to steal a whole backpack in one click, GM poisoning in one click and many other skills.

At that point they weren't only selling houses and gold, but also characters.


Please, stop now. Your rabbit hole is getting to big for this thread.
 

Chad Sexington

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So...did we ever find out why Siege doesn't haven an EM?

:popcorn:

'Cause, you know...that's what this was supposed to be about. Not delusion theories built around the end of the volunteer program.

Can we move back to the topic at hand?
All I know is that I was in contact with the last EM on Siege, being the first town to fill out the application form to get our own banner. Then after meeting with him once, giving him a tour around down, we set another date for another tour with "his boss."

Then *poof*, he was gone.

No contact. No explanation or responses from multiple attempts. This was 1 year ago.

Oh well.

:sad3:
 
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Vaelix

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All I know is that I was in contact with the last EM on Siege, being the first town to fill out the application form to get our own banner. Then after meeting with him once, giving him a tour around down, we set another date for another tour with "his boss."

Then *poof*, he was gone.

No contact. No explanation or responses from multiple attempts. This was 1 year ago.

Oh well.

:sad3:
1 Year ago would of been Speedy (Im guessing) and he has already quit and moved on from Both Siege and EM'ing.

(If that Helps at all)
 

Ahuaeyjnkxs

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I am getting lots of pleasure out of this, it's very sensual the way you approach me, I can see why you're bored.

Trying to RP where ppl cannot even be evil. You are not a kid anymore after all, make beleive dosen't do it for you anymore.

This is pure exaltation for me. I never tought someone so involved could be so naive. You're intelligent however it amazes me !

Yes I am outside the US.

Again for the third time, it all started on atlantic but was implemented on all shards equally way before the seers were fired.

And thanks for saying I was right about the how it took a very obvious clue before they revised the logs.

Also the logs were organised in different files, I'd think you know what you'd be talkin about if you said that you understood why the GM would not create gold by himself, he would have been spotted too early for their scheme to work.

Silly you on that one ! The GMs made the gold transit through green acres (which was BIG) so they relied on a few counselors to tell the location by ICQ... you are silly they would have said that over official chat too.

Silly silly silly...

noone made holes in green acres... its the gms who moved the black holes there for the players on dummy accounts to pick.

I seen it with my own eyes. I was invited to make money there was plenty for everyone, I refused. It was explained to me how if I only moved gold during the GM off hours, I would make thousands per week, easily. I just had to store it in a dummy account and then slowly pass it off to brokers.

I.... REFUSED.

But noone is to blame, everyone is far in the bahamas, nowhere to be found and there is no way I will get an important position in UO or the community (noone likes me here for obvious reasons).

I have no real reason to lie that you can support logically, exept perhaps to play with you, which would be flattering your own ego in a most peculiar way.

UO has no link with IRL huh... now let me laugh.

The pyramids of Gizeh must have been hand made by some primitive egyptians...

Platon must have been crazy with his hallucinogen induced visions too, that must be why they teach his stuff in schools, but not his real interesting stuff.

Now would you kindly stop trying to derail this thread and tell people WHY SIEGE HAS NO EM !
 

Ahuaeyjnkxs

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Please send a PM to messana to be ignored because their money isn't worth as much as other shard's money.

This is crap, after ppl wonder why Kelmo left.

Edit : Nice website Martyna, I see you were abducted by Nosfentor... and he "held" you captive... that is funny. Nosfentor holding a captive without heavily manipulating their minds. I see FEAR into you, fear that you might have participated in something deeper than you bargained for.

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It's funny when I look at it ...
Having the new items be on the gypsies themselves, thus necessitating their deaths, is bad form. While one could argue it gives 'evil' players something to do, killing off a real-world ethnic group for their valuables is a bit tacky and thoughtless of the Devs.

These items should be moved into the chests/barels and their spawn rate increased to something realistic.

So far we have heard of 1 bracelet and 1 check being found out of how many people slaughtering the camps for several days now? Being rare is fine, but a drop rate lower then a tangle on an item that doesn't do anything is a bit silly.
and people to reply... pixels... just a game...

Siege people : Martyna who has been raining on your parade has had the luck of having personal interviews by the EM characters for her own website and pride. I rest my case.
 

Martyna Zmuir

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Edit : Nice website Martyna, I see you were abducted by Nosfentor... and he "held" you captive... that is funny. Nosfentor holding a captive without heavily manipulating their minds. I see FEAR into you, fear that you might have participated in something deeper than you bargained for.

Nice baiting.

One, Nosfentor was female. Two, that happened within the GL RP community as part of our plotline before the Shadowlords were revealed in the metafiction. Three, it did change my character’s attitude – but that’s irrelevant here. The alternate future story is where all the action is anyway. *shrugs*

Second edit :

It's funny when I look at it ...

and people to reply... pixels... just a game...


Awww, you dug through my post history. Aren’t you a precious troll…

That thread got into political correctness…and other things that were removed.

*shrugs again*

Siege people : Martyna who has been raining on your parade has had the luck of having personal interviews by the EM characters for her own website and pride. I rest my case.

Oh, that’s rich. Reading comprehension, history, and reality really aren’t your friends are they…

I think Siege deserves an EM, never said differently – were you able to comprehend what you read, you’d know that. Fail #1.

The interview with Casca was posted on the Great Lakes Tribune and the GL News page here on Stratics since I used to be on staff. Had your cyber stalking been at a college level, you might have learned that. Fail #2.

Now, go find your rock, carefully lift it, and then slither back under. The grownups were talking.
 

RaDian FlGith

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You both are providing me with more information that I ever expected, thank you for this.

And for biting to my troll.

I knew some of you still HAD to be around, not just ACB.
Which, of course, means the following:

1) You really are making this up in order to learn about stuff you truly have no clue about; rather than just asking, you decided to make up stories until you got said information.

2) You are violating the Stratics ROC by trolling.

3) You have no clue what you're talking about.

And yes I knew all the crooked ones, and they were all on atlantic, because thats where it started.
Wrong. Ding. Thanks for playing. Don't forget to grab your door prize on the way out.

After that the continuity and the significance of the whole ultima series was covered up. Look for yourselves !
Err... again, wrong. But I digress, at this point, this is like playing whack-a-troll.
 

RaDian FlGith

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Jesus christ just lock the thread now...
I'm sorry, but Jesus Christ is off until Christmas... until then, you know, well...

I agree with you.

I'm done feeding the troll. He's built his bridge, and I've gotten over it. ;)
 

Petra Fyde

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I'm not much of a substitute for Jesus Christ, but I can, and will, lock this thread
 
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