Definitely! I've spent the last week trying to get a sigil on Pacific. CoM has really got their heels dug in right now, and I haven't seen anyone from my faction around. My thief has spent hours taking out CoM guards only to have a group of players show up at the last minute to chase me off and add a bunch more guards.
Thievery won't even be rewarded for that purpose. If you don't have enough people to raid and have to resort to stealth stealing, than you won't be able to corrupt them anyway. The only time a thief is going to be rewarded is when there is no danger and they just take the sigil after a successful raid or there is no one defending.
And what does the Snooping skill have to do with Stealing a Sig... Hiding/Stealth I could possibly see, but Snoop, gawd you can see it for heavens sake.
So what are you saying about the faction thieves? They deserve nothing? Before I go on, let me preface this with the fact I play Siege. A faction thief is an account choice, barring having a hand full of soul stones, that account is dedicated to one character.
I didn't read in the publish notes that they were adding more character slots to Siege....
Silver huh? That is the extent of recognition you would bestow on sucessful faction thieves? *shakes head* I am glad I am not on your team.
Well you know there's always that one kid that gets left on the bench til there's no other option.......
I agree with you, I was commenting on the "I'm glad I'm not on your team" bit....
Sigil Thieves are the only way for Factions to control towns, Which I might remind you is one of the core fundamentals Factions is built around. Add to that Most Thief builds are weak on the side of Combat and Defense, in the time 1 thief can move one sigil and return it Combat oriented Faction members can still rack up more than 10 kill points. They aren't saying...Steal it get 10 Kill points...it's Steal it corrupt it return it for town control get 10 points.....
Without the thieves there would be no capturing of cities. sheeesh
And how exactly does the thief contribute to the defense? They don't. By the way, I actually had 80 stealing on my mage. I didn't consider myself a thief. I just put it on there to get sigils. It is a method to get sigils off posts. Nothing more. It wouldn't have made too much sense to use forensic evaluation or item identification.
Yes, they do have a direct effect now. Thieves can rack up points like nothing and transfer them all to whoever they want to have the new artifacts. No need to actually work for it, just steal some sigils when there is no one looking or try and sneak it in during a server down time.
In an attempt to make a character that would be able to do slightly more than "just stealing sigils" at a time when you could only have one faction character per account per shard, these are the real skills I generally have on my faction thieves:
yup yup with out thieves capturing the sigils what's the point of faction fighting? All you'd get is silver...Seriously you could do just as well not being in factions...Oh wait you don't have to worry about taking a count for ganking Blues if they are in an opposing faction......Without the thieves there would be no capturing of cities. sheeesh
Do these points affect your fighting? Why do you care what thieves get?
So you're the hero just because you run around fighting? Thieves play an important role in factions, and without them there would be no factions.
Thieves deserve some sort of retribution for their work.
Bwahahaha I'm still in favor of pushing for removal of insurance in fel..
They risk a lot? Really? What exactly do they risk? An actual pvper risks a lot more, since they are the ones who actually stick around and fight.
Yeah, what he said. Maybe 1 or 2 points per sigil would be just fine. Anything more than 1 or 2 points is absolutely ridiculous.
What is it exactly that you risk?
You tell 'em! I still have not heard what the fighters risk over thieves...I have put just as much time into my thief as you have in your warrior. I have went in with my thief during raids to get the sigils and I have stayed in the base to reveal stealthers trying to sneak in after we have got them. To say we contribute nothing is BS.
Detect Hidden =/= ThiefI have put just as much time into my thief as you have in your warrior. I have went in with my thief during raids to get the sigils and I have stayed in the base to reveal stealthers trying to sneak in after we have got them. To say we contribute nothing is BS.
Bull I went while the fight was happening. Distraction is a thiefs best friend.
My thief gets stat loss ... alot ... so much that she carries buffers to be able to steal WHILE in stat loss. I carry pots - she has alchemy, so ya. Sounds to me like the thieves YOU know are chumps ... some of us bust our asses while people like you can't be bothered to help us with distractions. Seems to me that YOU are the chump. I am not saying that I think 10 pts per sig is perfect, but thieves do not just stand around.
Last I heard you could have a Mage Weapon -25 bow toss on a Crystalline Ring, and a chump mage bracelet and benefit as if you had an extra 120 skill points in Archery...and I know that's what a lot of those so called PvPer's are doing.....
Tina, you raise some good points, but I think you have missed the important one. Let me answer to the things in order. First you say "In an attempt to make a character that would be able to do slightly more than 'just stealing sigils'". Good, I do agree. But that's your choice, to make a real faction thief. Other people could take a full-fledged mage or warrior, sacrifice 20 points of med/focus to stealing, equip shadow dancer legs, burglar's bandana and two +15 stealing rings, steal sigil, and then reequip their usual combat gear. Also, even if using items were not possible I am pretty sure that you can remove 80 skill points froma char and still make a fully effective combat character. This is BS, do you agree? I am not adamant that the additional GM skill should be snooping, could be remove trap as far as i am concerned. It just has not to be a skill usable for combat. So, for instance, stealth is NOT to be such a skill.
Easy: remove tracking. If you are human you still get the 20 tracking required to track everything and the full boost of detect. There, you have the space for GM snooping. Equip the shadow dancer leggings and you got your GM stealing as well.
So, you think it is fine for people to build full warriors/mages/necros/whatever that can also steal sigils? If that is the point I am afraid that JC is right and characters who do collect sigils (I cannot name them thieves because they do the same as doom janitors) do NOT deserve kill points, at all.
Sorry tina, but I rarely saw a more useless message. I asked you questions, you didn't answer. I made an effort to find a common ground between your needs and mine, making a good job (I think), and you say I am whining without even saying what's wrong in my reasoning.
You mean tina's reply wasn't condescending?
This part of your post makes me think that I have not been clear about my point. I do NOT think that warriors should take all the recognition. Quite the opposite. Actually my main has been a thief all my fel life, so I am all for breathing life into faction thieves, and I am reopening my account after more than a year just because they decided to reward thieves in faction.
Not at all. My point is simply that a warrior that dedicates 20 skill points to stealing sigils does not deserve the additional 10 kill points. It is actually not even a _different_ template. If he were sacrificing 200 skill points for stealing sigils I don't mind what he does with the others. He uses them to improve detection/stealth/removing trap? Good. He uses them to stand along his faction mates? Good.
