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Tarrant
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I was there when it happened, and I got to see the friends' list before it was finally cleared, and in fact I took a screenshot of it.
I want to clarify for everyone, now, of some things that would NOT have prevented this from happening to you.
#1. If you think that your guild's own policy of clearing its lists when people leave would have helped, and feel safe for that reason, that feeling of safety is WRONG.
This was NOT an issue of the GH list not having been cleared after someone left. The ordering of the list tells you who was inserted most recently, and it tells the story. This was NOT IT, put that out of your mind
In fact XV does happen to clear its lists when people leave but if it did or did not, it wouldn't have made a difference in this case.
#2. If you're of the opinion that your guild is more selective in its recruitment than XV, and think that this would have protected your guild from having this happen, you're mistaken.
The person on the list was not a member of the guild at ANY level of membership!
#3. This was NOT an issue of the guild leaders not being around enough. This theft was deliberately executed by actual "thieves in the night", at like 3 AM on a weekday morning.
It was pure, blind luck that I happened to literally walk into them as they were leading the pack horse in. I was helping someone with a late night spellweaving quest, and we decided to meet at the guildhouse so I could help him carry supplies into Sanctuary. Meeting at the GH was not even my first choice of place, but it was his most convenient rune on that char.
Are the GM and co-owned people of your guild available 24/7, or do they sleep too?
Point in summary: there not being enough information to positively determine what went wrong does not mean that it's smart to chalk it up to something that you'd expect. Lots of other things can be logically ruled out but ruling things out still does not point to exactly what went wrong.
The real and most important thing to take away from this is: this disreputable guild of cowards gained access to the XV GH by a means that was not prevented by the normal security measures all experienced guilds will use! Then, to their own discredit and shame, they showed up at 3 in the morning with a pack horse.
By contrast, if by some strange twist, XV's leadership asked me to participate in a guild-approved looting of the BC guildhouse, I would refuse and quit the guild on the spot (well okay I'd recall out first). Or even, if I learned afterward that they had participated in such a thing, I would do the same. Presumably, the better members of BC/UOD/TDR/whatever hold the same degree of integrity.
That's the real difference between these invaders and what I like to think most of the 'real' Great Lakes participants are like. These invaders make themselves distinct and different through their aims and values. Let's not give them an edge by making assumptions as to their means of operation.
I want to clarify for everyone, now, of some things that would NOT have prevented this from happening to you.
#1. If you think that your guild's own policy of clearing its lists when people leave would have helped, and feel safe for that reason, that feeling of safety is WRONG.
This was NOT an issue of the GH list not having been cleared after someone left. The ordering of the list tells you who was inserted most recently, and it tells the story. This was NOT IT, put that out of your mind
In fact XV does happen to clear its lists when people leave but if it did or did not, it wouldn't have made a difference in this case.
#2. If you're of the opinion that your guild is more selective in its recruitment than XV, and think that this would have protected your guild from having this happen, you're mistaken.
The person on the list was not a member of the guild at ANY level of membership!
#3. This was NOT an issue of the guild leaders not being around enough. This theft was deliberately executed by actual "thieves in the night", at like 3 AM on a weekday morning.
It was pure, blind luck that I happened to literally walk into them as they were leading the pack horse in. I was helping someone with a late night spellweaving quest, and we decided to meet at the guildhouse so I could help him carry supplies into Sanctuary. Meeting at the GH was not even my first choice of place, but it was his most convenient rune on that char.
Are the GM and co-owned people of your guild available 24/7, or do they sleep too?
Point in summary: there not being enough information to positively determine what went wrong does not mean that it's smart to chalk it up to something that you'd expect. Lots of other things can be logically ruled out but ruling things out still does not point to exactly what went wrong.
The real and most important thing to take away from this is: this disreputable guild of cowards gained access to the XV GH by a means that was not prevented by the normal security measures all experienced guilds will use! Then, to their own discredit and shame, they showed up at 3 in the morning with a pack horse.
By contrast, if by some strange twist, XV's leadership asked me to participate in a guild-approved looting of the BC guildhouse, I would refuse and quit the guild on the spot (well okay I'd recall out first). Or even, if I learned afterward that they had participated in such a thing, I would do the same. Presumably, the better members of BC/UOD/TDR/whatever hold the same degree of integrity.
That's the real difference between these invaders and what I like to think most of the 'real' Great Lakes participants are like. These invaders make themselves distinct and different through their aims and values. Let's not give them an edge by making assumptions as to their means of operation.