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confused about which pvm warrior build i should go with

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Kzer

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hi. I can`t decide which one would be better for beginning. I plan on farming high end mobs with high loot packs and that drop decent amount of gold. Basically making a money maker. I am low on budget and i have 2 ideas:

swordmanship,parry,chivalry,healing,anatomy,tactics - and running with 1 handed weapon + shield
or
mace fight,parry,chivalry,healing,anatomy,bushido,tactics - and running with 2 handed wep.


help?! :)
 
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For a number of reasons that I won't get into unless you ask me to, I don't think that the 2nd choice is smart. If you swapped the two weaponskills, you have a more compelling question.

Either Maces or Swords as the WS can be very viable in the first template. Many people are running the "pure paladin" template quite successfully. You'll be able to solo champ spawns and peerless.

The 2nd template only works with swords in my opinion. In any event, there are quite a few people running the "samurai paladin" type template quite successfully. You'll be able to solo champ spawns and peerless.

There have been many, many, many, many, many (somewhere we crossed into the realm of "too many", probably 2 or 3 many's ago) words written trying to figure out which is "better". Both are very good, both have some stronger and some weaker points relative to the other. It can really be personal preference which one you like better.

I run something similar to the first, and I find it to be a nice template. Admittedly, I do have some problems with boss level things that don't have slayer.

One nice thing, you can run both, all you need is a few soul stones.
 
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Kzer

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bushido gives honor option so i can have 1k luck with perfection,also higher parry chance with 2hand weapon. With runic you can craft a pretty good quarter staff.
I was considering first template because with shield i can suit up myself cheaper. Also wepons - radiants are easy to get.

MaceFight weapons hit stronger and quarter staff ir fast.


Also - when you get damaged and stamina drops, how do you guys keep it up ? thanks!
 
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Kzer

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I`m not planning to ride it with necromancy for now, so its not a sampire. Sampire takes a lot more to suit it up. I thought with lesser gear i could go with healing and anatomy.. own smaller monsters until i get some dou
 
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Tuan

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Hit Stamina Leech is how you keep stamina full, if it gets too low, you can use Divine Fury or a refresh pot to bring it back up quickly.

Most times you won't get to full honor or normal mobs. Just about the only thing that takes 10 hits to kill is a Greater Dragon. The problem with using Maces and planning to run a 2h and maces is that there simply isn't a 2h mace with AI. Yes you can do black staffs for WW and quarters for DS - but then you're stuck with hammer picks for AI... which means when you need your template at it's best, you're not at your best because you're in a template designed for 2h weapons, but using a 1h.

Also, the idea that "maces hit stronger" ... than WHAT. The hardest hitting WW weapon is a sword (Halberd). Even if you consider that hardest hitting weapons that can reasonably be swung at 1.25, it is still a tie between swords and maces (Large Battle axe, and warhammer). The hardest hitting DS weapon is a sword(2h axe). The hardest hitting AI weapon (Bladedstaff)... also a sword, unless you want to go ranged, then it's a tie between both arch and throwing (Composit bow and soul glaive).
 
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Tuan said:
then it's a tie between both arch and throwing (Composit bow and soul glaive).
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Yeah... *shakes fist angrily at devs for that one*

In a vague tangent type thing from one of his questions I'm going to ask one of mine... The stam protection from plate, does it mean you NEVER lose ANY stam? (I'm curious enough to ask, but lazy enough I can't be bothered to test it.)
 
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Kzer said:
hi. I can`t decide which one would be better for beginning. I plan on farming high end mobs with high loot packs and that drop decent amount of gold. Basically making a money maker. I am low on budget and i have 2 ideas:

swordmanship,parry,chivalry,healing,anatomy,tactics - and running with 1 handed weapon + shield
or
mace fight,parry,chivalry,healing,anatomy,bushido,tactics - and running with 2 handed wep.


help?! :)
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Low budget weapon skill order I would give as: Throwing, Fencing, Mace, Swords, Archery. Taking into account scrolls and suit cost.

That isn't the same list as which is more useful in the end. That list I would give as: Throwing, Swords, Mace, Fencing, Archery.

A lot of the advice you'll get on here will be 'end game perfect setup' advice so it does really depend a lot on your definition of low budget, and whether you have a crafter and Imbuer or not.

You'll be able to kill high end things a lot sooner with a Thrower than any other option, but from the options given and assuming you want melee, I'd say go with the first one.
 
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Kzer

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But , black staffs whirlwind would be better when there are more then 1 monster. If i will remake him into sampire eventually.. why not go with the second one.
 
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Tuan

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Lord GOD(GOD) said:
Yeah... *shakes fist angrily at devs for that one*

In a vague tangent type thing from one of his questions I'm going to ask one of mine... The stam protection from plate, does it mean you NEVER lose ANY stam? (I'm curious enough to ask, but lazy enough I can't be bothered to test it.)
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No, it doesn't. It works something like this Stam Lost = (armor modifier) *[ (damage done - threshold damage) * (Max Hp / Current HP)]. Metal armor/studded seems to modify both the 'armor modifier' to be smaller than 1 and 'threshold damage' to be larger relative to leather/cloth armor.
 
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Kzer said:
But , black staffs whirlwind would be better when there are more then 1 monster. If i will remake him into sampire eventually.. why not go with the second one.
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Better... than what? Double Axe > Black staff, and 3.25 are pretty easy to swing at 1.25 with only an imbued suit.
 
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Kzer said:
But , black staffs whirlwind would be better when there are more then 1 monster. If i will remake him into sampire eventually.. why not go with the second one.
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Swords is better, more weapon choice for both one and two handed with higher base damage.

You said you weren't making a sampire so the replies reflect that.

Not the second one because it's more expensive, requires higher gear and ability than the first, and you said you were going for low budget.
 
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Kzer

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what can i possibly farm with such a template? there is no life leech, only heal = chiv and bandies. mostly bandies!

All i have is a crappy resist suit with lmc,mi and si and quarter staff and 140k left. So right now i`m going with Mace Fighting. Need tips to what to farm for now!
 
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Kzer said:
what can i possibly farm with such a template? there is no life leech, only heal = chiv and bandies. mostly bandies!

All i have is a crappy resist suit with lmc,mi and si and quarter staff and 140k left. So right now i`m going with Mace Fighting. Need tips to what to farm for now!
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Can you be more specific about this suit? Are the resist's crappy? Resists in the 40s aren't good for much... Are you saying that "overall, my suit isn't that great"?

My recommendation: imbue yourself an undead slayer weapon Q-staff. Something like: DI, Slayer, HSL, HML, HLL and take that on into Doom and go to the room that spawns the 2 Rotting Corpses and 2 Mummies. Farm away. Even a not-super-advanced suit/template should have little to no trouble farming in there. The Rottings will give you good gold and some items that you may be able to use to upgrade your suit later (like SSI jewelry, maybe some low end arties). Plus the mummies carry bandaids, keeping your supply replenished while you fight, and any skill you need to be raising, you can raise in there.
 
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Kzer

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i`m on freeshard. no imbuing and no such a room..
well phy 45 others over 50. weapon is quarter hml ssi.

i dont have anything fancy.
 
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Then disregard my advice, because I have no clue what state your shard is at and what customizations it may have. My advice (and the @Lord GOD(GOD) since he mentions imbuing) all assumed that you were on a production shard.
 
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Kzer

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well which one is it? the only shard where my ping is quite ok is Europa (150ping). on others i lag 2 heavy ;/
 
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Tuan

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I live in Germany, and regularly play on Chessy. I'm surprised that if you ping well to Europa you don't also ping well to Drachenfels. I've never really played another shard, so I can't comment on how full they are, or vibrant their community is. All I could suggest is give it a try and see what happens.
 
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