Broadsword why should I give you any more of my hard earned money?

[a slave girl]

The thing I want to do most in UO at this moment I can't, because you do not like tamers or moms.

I would like to collect 100 minax artifacts in Blackthorn's dungeon on Atlantic, but someone else thinks they own both the Tram and Fel evil mages, and they are willing to lure monsters from all parts of the dungeon to the evil mages to get me killed.

They drag monsters from all areas of the dungeon to the entrance as well, WHERE I AM KILLED WHEN I ATTEMPT TO ENTER TO GET MY CORPSE.

I AM NOT ALLOWED TO BRING MY WEAPON, MY GREATER DRAGON OR PRE CAST INVISIBILTY WITHIN 1,000,000 MILES OF THE EFFING ENTRANCE.

YOU CAN HAVE EVIL MAGES, LADY BOY, BOY, HAVE ALL MY EFFING UO CRAP.

I AM GOING TO PLAY WOW.

GOOD LUCK GETTING WORK ELSEWHERE BROADSWORD WHEN THIS DISASTER OF GAME FINALLY GOES UNDER.

THIS IS ISSUE STILL NOT RESOLVED FROM BEFORE THE SUMMER. I GIVE UP.

 

[Victim of Siege]

The Creatures have been vanquished, by myself and Marianna of LLTS. did you page on them for harassment?

 

[Tomarke]

The thing I want to do most in UO at this moment I can't, because you do not like tamers or moms.

I would like to collect 100 minax artifacts in Blackthorn's dungeon on Atlantic, but someone else thinks they own both the Tram and Fel evil mages, and they are willing to lure monsters from all parts of the dungeon to the evil mages to get me killed.

They drag monsters from all areas of the dungeon to the entrance as well, WHERE I AM KILLED WHEN I ATTEMPT TO ENTER TO GET MY CORPSE.

I AM NOT ALLOWED TO BRING MY WEAPON, MY GREATER DRAGON OR PRE CAST INVISIBILTY WITHIN 1,000,000 MILES OF THE EFFING ENTRANCE.

YOU CAN HAVE EVIL MAGES, LADY BOY, BOY, HAVE ALL MY EFFING UO CRAP.

I AM GOING TO PLAY WOW.

GOOD LUCK GETTING WORK ELSEWHERE BROADSWORD WHEN THIS DISASTER OF GAME FINALLY GOES UNDER.

THIS IS ISSUE STILL NOT RESOLVED FROM BEFORE THE SUMMER. I GIVE UP.

Unfortunately I have the same opinion of this dungeon and I just avoid it all together. I would also like to get some of the rewards but the grind and the farmers have pretty much killed this experience for me.

 

[cazador]

Lol..wow after reading this. I think the WoW candy land would be more fitting..

I literally go to this dungeon all the time and have yet to have an issue..when mobs are dragged simply Invis and drag away. Use the protection spell I mean this game isn't too hard


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[Goldberg-Chessy]

If you cant handle heavy spawn you shouldn't be pvming outside of New Haven maybe?
I go in and out of fel blackthorn all day long and never have any issues at all. You are very dramatic.
Luring sucks and people that do it should be paged on but there is always a way around it other then ranting and whining to faceless game designers lmao.
FYI, you may need a less dramatic keyboard as it seems your caps lock key is broken and stuck

 

[BeaIank]

You can enter Blackthorn's dungeon with your pet in tow now through a corrupted crystal portal.
Find one and say "Dungeon Blackthorn". You will be teleported to the entrance of the dungeon.

 

[OREOGL]

The dungeon is a huge waste of time anyways due to the drop rate. I don't recall how many days it took to get my first arty, but I know I'll just eat the gold to buy whatever i need.

 

[BeaIank]

The drop rate is plain ridiculous, yes, even in fel.
It seems that no matter what I kill there, the amount of luck I wear, or the facet I am hunting at, the rate is stuck at about a bit more than 1 drop per hour.
Also, for some reason you can teleport out of the dungeon in Fel.

 

[Elden of Baja]

The Monsters Really Should be Tethered Down There. Swap out The Greater Dragons and the Rats/Vampire Bat Areas so Newb players don't have to run past Dragons to kill low level mobs. Then Put Doors with teleporters so the mobs can't get out Like Doom.

You already have the code with champs and their Altars to pull them back if you don't like the door/teleporter Idea. Just spitting out what is Obviously the Easiest. Then add in code to kill pets that were released by players.

"But then we can't kill all the afk botters"
- Page, Advisors + Gm's + Mesanna. Let them do their job Instead of pissing off what few players remain by trying to police the game yourself.

 

[Lady CaT]

*imagines government employee reading unemployment application*

Reason for job loss: I programmed evil mages at entrance to Blackthorns Dungeon in Ultima Online.

 

[Goldberg-Chessy]

The Monsters Really Should be Tethered Down There. Swap out The Greater Dragons and the Rats/Vampire Bat Areas so Newb players don't have to run past Dragons to kill low level mobs. Then Put Doors with teleporters so the mobs can't get out Like Doom.

You already have the code with champs and their Altars to pull them back if you don't like the door/teleporter Idea. Just spitting out what is Obviously the Easiest. Then add in code to kill pets that were released by players.

"But then we can't kill all the afk botters"
- Page, Advisors + Gm's + Mesanna. Let them do their job Instead of pissing off what few players remain by trying to police the game yourself.

Huh?
So just dumb down the entire dungeon because one or two clueless players cant handle it?
Just plain sad thinking.
We all understand what a dungeon is correct and its place in uo?
Last time I checked the Newb players you mentioned should not even be near a dungeon.
What I find ironic though is that I seem to recall the OP posting here for a very long time.
It should be impossible to play the game that long and just be that bad

 

[drcossack]

The Monsters Really Should be Tethered Down There. Swap out The Greater Dragons and the Rats/Vampire Bat Areas so Newb players don't have to run past Dragons to kill low level mobs. Then Put Doors with teleporters so the mobs can't get out Like Doom.

You already have the code with champs and their Altars to pull them back if you don't like the door/teleporter Idea. Just spitting out what is Obviously the Easiest. Then add in code to kill pets that were released by players.

"But then we can't kill all the afk botters"
- Page, Advisors + Gm's + Mesanna. Let them do their job Instead of pissing off what few players remain by trying to police the game yourself.

Or you could leave well enough alone. Whining about the afk'ers is what caused Blackthorn to be screwed up in the first place. I stopped farming after they "fixed" it so monsters auto-revealed the hidden. You have to be at your computer at all times - you can't go to the bathroom, can't grab lunch, dinner, etc. I'm sorry, but that's ridiculous.

If people are luring in Tram Blackthorn, page on them. Or go to Fel Blackthorn. If they're afk farming (which they can't do now, thanks whiners!), page/go to Fel. If they were afk'ing in Fel, you could just kill them. Sadly, people on LS didn't have the guts to flag on people even in Fel Blackthorn, so they'd lure there too. Both @CovenantX and I would come back on our reds if that happened...and they would be long gone by the time we returned.

btw, the monsters will poof and respawn if they're pulled away and left there. It takes a couple hours though.

edit: As far as the drop rate, I wore 2200 Luck and did all my farming in Fel. While staying hidden, I would routinely get 2-3 an hour.

 

[AtlanticRealtor]

Do you actually play the game??? or just cry on Gen Chat all day????
Now She will cry on Forum as well!!!

 

[Luvmylace]

The thing I want to do most in UO at this moment I can't, because you do not like tamers or moms.

I would like to collect 100 minax artifacts in Blackthorn's dungeon on Atlantic, but someone else thinks they own both the Tram and Fel evil mages, and they are willing to lure monsters from all parts of the dungeon to the evil mages to get me killed.

They drag monsters from all areas of the dungeon to the entrance as well, WHERE I AM KILLED WHEN I ATTEMPT TO ENTER TO GET MY CORPSE.

I AM NOT ALLOWED TO BRING MY WEAPON, MY GREATER DRAGON OR PRE CAST INVISIBILTY WITHIN 1,000,000 MILES OF THE EFFING ENTRANCE.

YOU CAN HAVE EVIL MAGES, LADY BOY, BOY, HAVE ALL MY EFFING UO CRAP.

I AM GOING TO PLAY WOW.

GOOD LUCK GETTING WORK ELSEWHERE BROADSWORD WHEN THIS DISASTER OF GAME FINALLY GOES UNDER.

THIS IS ISSUE STILL NOT RESOLVED FROM BEFORE THE SUMMER. I GIVE UP.

try setting up a character or take that one to a friendlier shard seems you have lots of haters on atlantic

 

[Smoot]

ever think someone was overwhelmed and ran out of the entrance for safety? just saying just because theres heavy spawn doesnt mean someone is trying to harrass you lol. If you ever did travesty, there almost un-survivable spawn was normal. needed bushido / evasion to be able to run thru.

Considering blackthorns dungeon gives some of most desirable items in the game, i dont think it should be viable for a undergeared, "all kill" tamer to do. Try utilizing some of the new global loot artifacts, reforging, and refinement system, and making a bushido dexter if you want to solo it.

If not, find a group to help you.

Or go play Wow LOL.

 

[Smoot]

Blackthorns is actually pretty good now, its worth making a character / suit for some exciting, challenging gameplay. Before the AKF / scripting was fixed, 200k for a minor arty drop really wasnt worth it. now that the market has recovered, 500k seems reasonable for a normal player who actually wants to play the game and not just sit there and do nothing while reaping the benefits.

 

[Gidge]

One of the things i have learned about this game "a" is that if the character i am using doesn't work for me, i switch to another. you may find that using a different char in this situation may be a bit easier. Such as a bard to peace the other monsters that come, giving you time to get out and address the issue, or a stealther to slide out. i am slightly concerned with your saying that they do not like moms. To me this means that you had to step away to tend a youngling? my oldest child is now 18 and literally grew up watching me play UO, so i sympathize with tending children and trying to do anything. my biggest suggestion would be to wait till the younglings are otherwise entertained or napping before you leave your screen for too long. Some people patrol looking for people. On a busier shard, such as the one you are on, you will have you fair share of those who want to "stop the afk macroers" even if you are just changing a nappy quick like. If you are not afk, i don't get the mom comment and don't know what to say other than page for harassment.

 

[Smoot]

The drop rate is plain ridiculous, yes, even in fel.
It seems that no matter what I kill there, the amount of luck I wear, or the facet I am hunting at, the rate is stuck at about a bit more than 1 drop per hour.
Also, for some reason you can teleport out of the dungeon in Fel.

drop rate is guaranteed 2 per captain. pretty good imo, you can get 15 - 30 an hour depending on the difficulty of the particular pod.

 

[BeaIank]

drop rate is guaranteed 2 per captain. pretty good imo, you can get 15 - 30 an hour depending on the difficulty of the particular pod.

Yes, I kill them captains from time to time.
Dealing with their spawn so that they become vulnerable is the worst part for me.
The spawns are far too cramped and make me lag bad on my 200 ms ping.

Other than that, if you are desperate for minax drops, go kill some captains. They are challenging, but not impossible to kill.

 

[Captn Norrington]

I can understand how that would be frustrating, but this is a multi player game....if someone is dragging stuff to the entrance you could always just ask another player for help clearing the area. You could also switch character's to make it easier to survive in that dungeon.

The whole point of games is to improve until you are able to do things you could not do before. If your not willing to improve/adjust to the monster strength or dungeon types then it would make more sense to just do other stuff in UO to make gold and buy whatever items you were planning on getting from that dungeon.

 

[The Griefer King]

got grief? =)
too easy slave girl. too easy. get better at the game please. makes me all giggly seeing my work end up as a stratics cry post

 

[Smoot]

Yes, I kill them captains from time to time.
Dealing with their spawn so that they become vulnerable is the worst part for me.
The spawns are far too cramped and make me lag bad on my 200 ms ping.

Other than that, if you are desperate for minax drops, go kill some captains. They are challenging, but not impossible to kill.

agreed. its how it is now, but that dungeon would have been much better imo if each pod were about twice the size. trickiest / most frustrating part is dealing with the cramped area and usually when i give up for the day if i die too many times.

 

[BeaIank]

agreed. its how it is now, but that dungeon would have been much better imo if each pod were about twice the size. trickiest / most frustrating part is dealing with the cramped area and usually when i give up for the day if i die too many times.

Or if only two captains spawned per time. Clear them out, two more would spawn.
They are a very fun fight, but the cramped spawn now can make fighting there rather annoying.

 

[MalagAste]

I see AFK farmers down in the hellhound room all the time on GL's. Point is luring is against the ToS... however..... getting a GM to do anything at all in any "decent" timeframe is a joke.

Waste of time if you ask me. If you want the drops form a group to go do the cities. You'll get loads of drops in no time at all... granted you will die quite often and it is "hard" but it is far more worthwhile than trying to eek out 1 an hour in the rest of the dungeon.

 

[drcossack]

Waste of time if you ask me. If you want the drops form a group to go do the cities. You'll get loads of drops in no time at all... granted you will die quite often and it is "hard" but it is far more worthwhile than trying to eek out 1 an hour in the rest of the dungeon.

Once you learn how, it takes like 5-10 minutes per captain, depending on whether they've got normal resists/HP or if they're HP-bumped. Tamer with Greater to tank, a whammy or sampire, and another mage to do heals/damage. A guildmate & I (who hasn't played in quite some time) worked it out pretty well - kill spawn, lure captain to spot where it'd be alone, then beat on it. He'd dual client & keep dumping with his SW Myst Mage, who was wearing 100%+ SDI. We very rarely died - if he were still playing I'd twist his arm and get him to go back down.

 

[Elden of Baja]

Hmm?? I was talking more about the ability for players to lure monsters to grief players vs afk farmers. They have mechanics in other games that prevent you from griefing players in a non pvp environment by dragging monsters to kill them. Guess you can just page on the griefers much like the afkers, but other than journal not much to go on for luring monsters onto other players. Adding Teleporters and walls (Oh so much coding work for our develpment team I know, what is it an additional 30 objects added into the game with a system as easy as house customization?) would remove the ability to grief by luring monsters completely. Two Birds One Stone. Easier than an advisor/gm showing up every time there is a balron/greater dragon stuffed into the front room.

 

[Merlin]

The thing I want to do most in UO at this moment I can't, because you do not like tamers or moms.

I would like to collect 100 minax artifacts in Blackthorn's dungeon on Atlantic, but someone else thinks they own both the Tram and Fel evil mages, and they are willing to lure monsters from all parts of the dungeon to the evil mages to get me killed.

They drag monsters from all areas of the dungeon to the entrance as well, WHERE I AM KILLED WHEN I ATTEMPT TO ENTER TO GET MY CORPSE.

I AM NOT ALLOWED TO BRING MY WEAPON, MY GREATER DRAGON OR PRE CAST INVISIBILTY WITHIN 1,000,000 MILES OF THE EFFING ENTRANCE.

YOU CAN HAVE EVIL MAGES, LADY BOY, BOY, HAVE ALL MY EFFING UO CRAP.

I AM GOING TO PLAY WOW.

GOOD LUCK GETTING WORK ELSEWHERE BROADSWORD WHEN THIS DISASTER OF GAME FINALLY GOES UNDER.

THIS IS ISSUE STILL NOT RESOLVED FROM BEFORE THE SUMMER. I GIVE UP.

This is a "padded room" post. Calm down. There is no issue with Blackthorn's Dungeon on ATL. There is no conspiracy against you, your dragon or your corpse. I go to Blackthorn's on ATL almost every day at some point, even if it's just to kill one captain or see what action is happening and I never see people intentionally dragging monsters onto others. Maybe sometimes people are dragging spawn with them if they get in trouble and have to run out, but doubtful it's on purpose.

1) Try using Crystal Portal to teleport to the dungeon with your pet. Shouldn't be a huge issue there.
2) Try playing with some guildmates and other people on your side. There are many aspects of this game that require acting in a multi-player fashion. Playing on a tamer in certain dungeons is one of them. Especially if you're in ATL, there shouldn't be an issue to find people to do a dungeon run. There are a lot of very generous people in BT dungeon at all times willing to rez players they don't know and even giving out drops to people who aren't getting any.
3) WoW sucks. If you think this Blackthorn "issue" is bad, good luck over in a much more juvenile and pathetic game.

 

[WootSauce]

got grief? =)
too easy slave girl. too easy. get better at the game please. makes me all giggly seeing my work end up as a stratics cry post

This is what it is all about.

This right here,

If someone wants to make your game play a nightmare, this is the game to play. If you page or retaliate, you are likely to get your account marked for your trouble.

 

[The Griefer King]

its not personal. i do it to anyone. and i don't do it often. but sometimes dungeon griefing is all sorts of fun. but yes it backfires sometimes. quite a few times i griefed myself trying to grief others. for me it restores fun gameplay from back in the early 2000s. its purely nostalgic for me. it also thickens peoples skins like back n the day as well. nobody cried about this. they would get even. lol @ paging on people

 

[Goldberg-Chessy]

This is what it is all about.

This right here,

If someone wants to make your game play a nightmare, this is the game to play. If you page or retaliate, you are likely to get your account marked for your trouble.

I get griefed in Trammel or at Luna bank all the time
Guy posts a nice item in chat for a set price and I agree to buy it then 2 seconds later after the guy says ok some other germ offers more and I lose the item after we had a deal.
That to me is much worse than any petty little pking or dungeon bs because I can actually retaliate to that crap if I have enough experience and skill.
What's your point Woot?
This crap happens in every game and the adults deal with it and/or get over it.

 

[Elden of Baja]

No, the point is that the developers of other video games have taken measures to prevent this obvious griefing.

 

[Goldberg-Chessy]

No, the point is that the developers of other video games have taken measures to prevent this obvious griefing.

Really?
What games and exactly what mechanics?
No offense but you sound like all the sensitive people crying about how offensive UO gen chat is when other games are twice as bad

 

[drcossack]

No, the point is that the developers of other video games have taken measures to prevent this obvious griefing.

How to deal with it: Get even with the person doing it to you, or find another way to deal with them. When it was happening to me in Tram, I lured the monsters away - the person luring would just bring the greater over, so I took it to the back, just like I did the Balron.

In Fel? I'd res up, loot my corpse, and come back on my pvp char. If I saw the person's name (which I usually did), I'd call them out in gen chat, then laugh at them when they were nowhere to be found.

 

[The Griefer King]

it even happens to me. but iam usually in fel and can can just heal through it and live then pk the guy. and man yall would committ suicide if yall played call of duty and ****. the trolling/griefing on those games is far superior than uo gen chat

 

[Cyrah]

got grief? =)
too easy slave girl. too easy. get better at the game please. makes me all giggly seeing my work end up as a stratics cry post

Are you serious? All this time I thought your name was meant to be funny. Not your game play ways. Omg, this is really what you do? Eww...

 

[The Griefer King]

Are you serious? All this time I thought your name was meant to be funny. Not your game play ways. Omg, this is really what you do? Eww...

only reason i keep my name is for ppl to know who iam that played from old school. and there is nothing wrong with luring **** on ppl in fel and pking them for fat loots. i almost never step foot into tram. only time iam not in fel is if iam in luna buying something or afk. and most of the time i bank i bank at bucs den fel. blue or red.

also this was kinda glorious considering how much she annoys people in gen chat on atl. shes always crying and always whining. so i gave her a lil medicine. cry me a river

 

[Smoot]

No, the point is that the developers of other video games have taken measures to prevent this obvious griefing.

honestly thats why i like UO. its not as safe as other games. less predictable. take scamming, no one likes being scammed, but i like the fact that people have to take precautions. theres no mindless safetynet like some other games. griefing, same thing. luring. same thing. although i dont appreciate 100 greater dragons being lured onto me if im farming and curse if i die, thats part of the lure of UO, that your personal comfort zone can always be affected by someone else. if i didnt like that to some extent, i would play a single player game, or non-pvp wow server.

 

[Elden of Baja]

That might be good for you, but that's not what most players are here for. You go into a dungeon instance in any other game and one dude runs ahead pulling extra monsters getting the team killed, people don't go "Oh man, that's what I live for", no, they leave. Only Instead of a dungeon its UO.

 

[Spiritless]

lol rekt.

u mad bro?

etc.

 

[Elden of Baja]

Really?
What games and exactly what mechanics?
No offense but you sound like all the sensitive people crying about how offensive UO gen chat is when other games are twice as bad

Still playing Final Fantasy 14 in my spare time, its not hard to see some basic coding at work to try and keep a happy player base. Monsters are tethered within a range of their spawn point, you pull the monster too far away from that location it turns around and heads back(Becoming invulnerable and healing itself until it reaches its spawn point again). <- Code already exists in UO from when they fixed it so you couldn't pull Champs 10 miles away from the altar. Easier fix since blackthorn is the biggest complaint and issue would still be Walls blocking the dungeon into sections, Teleporters on either side of the walls to move across, and restricting the ability to release pets inside of the dungeon.

FF 14: Instanced DungeonsRandom group of 4+ People) if a player is Griefing by luring monsters or refusing to do his job and getting the team killed they have the option to kick the player from the instance. Get kicked so many times and it is investigated.

Noone will ever be able to stop griefing completely in video games, but simple coding can prevent blatant exploitation of game mechanics to kill other players in a non pvp environment. Richard Garriot Created the first mmo to see what online players were like, and they killed him just to see if they could. (Cracked.com article)

I Couldn't Care less about General Chat. Leave when you don't need something join when you do. No Different than muting all the 12 year olds and adults who act like 12 year olds in call of duty. Still thinking over the debate for a "Fel Only" Channel that is forced when you change Facets. Realistically though the easiest solution to the general chat issue would be to add a UI feature where you can click on the # representing the player and block them with two clicks, and of course extend the list of players that can be blocked. There aren't that many people playing this game, eventually i'm sure you'd get all the alts of the players comparing their E-Peens in general chat.

Like I said simple coding.

Probably take less time than it took me to type up this post to solve both issues. (one without even needing to code anything, just some development tools to plop down some walls and Teleporters, so hard an EM could do it)

The only players who would be upset by the changes would be players violating the TOS anyways. I highly doubt that even 1% of the community would go "THAT'S IT, I CAN'T KILL PLAYERS BY LURING MONSTERS ON THEM IN ONE DUNGEON IN THIS GAME, I'M DONE" and unsub their accounts, just like scammers didn't quit just because the developers added an automatic animal lore when trading pets to prevent the infamous Mare/Dreadmare Switch.

"But What about Fel where its supposed to be a free for all"
- If you need to lure monsters to kill the players out of guard zone in fel, I think you need to reevaluate your pvp Skills.
" But then everyone will just use summons and pop back and forth through the teleporters"
- Make the teleporter's only go forward with Exit Teleporters leading you back to the beginning of the dungeon. (Prism of light concept) *Facepalm*

 

[The Griefer King]

stealth herder 4tw

 

[Cyrah]

only reason i keep my name is for ppl to know who iam that played from old school. and there is nothing wrong with luring **** on ppl in fel and pking them for fat loots. i almost never step foot into tram. only time iam not in fel is if iam in luna buying something or afk. and most of the time i bank i bank at bucs den fel. blue or red.

also this was kinda glorious considering how much she annoys people in gen chat on atl. shes always crying and always whining. so i gave her a lil medicine. cry me a river

Uh huh, now you say oh I only do this in Fel. Right. She said Tram and Fel. How glorious is harassing someone in Tram that annoys you in a chat channel?

 

[DJAd]

The thing you would like to do most in UO is collect 100 minax arties?! Wow I'm pretty shocked. I really find it hard to believe that someone actually ENJOYS doing this??

I farmed 100 myself when this was first out and the cities were under attack. It was a lot of fun and with so many people participating getting 100 was not that big a problem. Since they have moved it to Blackthorns I have only been back a few times as I find it the most boring grind ever trying to get 100 again (for the best items).

I would much rather do other stuff that's not so much grind and get the gold to buy the Blackthorn items from the people who do farm them. Do I care if I buy it from an AFK scripter? Of course I don't. I just care about getting the item.

 

[The Griefer King]

Uh huh, now you say oh I only do this in Fel. Right. She said Tram and Fel. How glorious is harassing someone in Tram that annoys you in a chat channel?

mostly in fel. not only. obviously you DON'T know me in game. seems you are mad about something? pked a few too many times? too many spawns stolen from you? *high_5*

i like how you say "harassment" it makes me giggle even more.

 

[Zuckuss]

I'm going to go ahead and kill this.