best features of EC should be implemented in CC

[Ashlynn_L]

It seems the EC users have an unfair advantage over CC users.Grid view, right-click looting.
Wow, and I was wondering why am I unable to loot anything of value while pvming with a group.

Cry me a river. =P

UO:A has been giving people an "unfair advantage" over those without it for years and the existance of that third party app is the VERY REASON the CC doesn't have the functionality some people are whining about. Because the dev team have been able to take the position "well we don't need to add these features to the actual client because people will be using UO:A".

 

[Mapper]

It seems the EC users have an unfair advantage over CC users.Grid view, right-click looting.
Wow, and I was wondering why am I unable to loot anything of value while pvming with a group.

It would only be unfair if you didn't have access to it. It's just a shame EC doesn't work on all computers well, Then the argument would be a lot stronger.

 

[ingsmsico]

It would only be unfair if you didn't have access to it. It's just a shame EC doesn't work on all computers well, Then the argument would be a lot stronger.

it works with all modern computers just fine. you can't expect them to cater to people who are using computer over 3 years old.

 

[Mapper]

it works with all modern computers just fine. you can't expect them to cater to people who are using computer over 3 years old.

Oh I know. But I wanted to add it in so I didn't get 'But it doesn't play on my PC!'. I imagine a lot of UO players maybe still have dated machines because of the CC client.

 

[Mervyn]

Leave the Classic Client classic, and keep the Enhanced Client enhanced.

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Professionally speaking I can tell you that it would be much easier to put a CC graphics option into EC than put EC functionality backwards into CC.

Whatever, you end up with the same thing, the classic graphics with the EC UI.

I am pressured into using the EC for its competitive advantages when i prefer to play CC

 

[Tanivar]

Oh I know. But I wanted to add it in so I didn't get 'But it doesn't play on my PC!'. I imagine a lot of UO players maybe still have dated machines because of the CC client.

Actually I still have my nine year old single-core system because with 3 gigs of memory it still does everything I want it to do. From art, to photos, letters, spreadsheets, internet, emails, and the games I enjoy playing, including UO via CC anywhere or EC away from Luna.

Why replace something that still does the job well and still runs UO with the better client. The classic one.

 

[Coldren]

I agree with the sentiment that they should NOT attempt to retrofit functionality from EC to the Classic Client. It's simply too old.

I also agree with the sentiment that EC looks as ugly as sin incarnate. KR was as ugly as sin incarnate, and until they make EC look better, no amount of awesome UI elements or mods are going to get people to adopt it.

I also agree that they should be striving to develop only one client and get everyone on board that. That client should be EC, but they have to fix the art problems.

And for the love of Pete, SUPPORT OF THE CLASSIC CLIENT IS NOT ABOUT CHEATING! Why is this ****ing strawman argument STILL being brought up? Are people that ****ing daft that they don't think you can cheat in EC too? People can cheat in World of Warcraft, and their client is INFINITELY better, along with an INFINITELY larger budget. The REASON you don't hear a lot about cheating in EC is because far fewer people USE the damn thing. It's a lot like why you don't hear about viruses for Macs - It has nothing to do with security, and EVERYTHING to do with the fact that writing viruses for them is largely a waste of money and time when you got millions of people and businesses using Windows, with YEARS of research and documentation on how to exploit it. Pulling the plug on CC will NOT stop this - they'll just quickly adapt to the new playing field. That is a guarn-damn-tee.

No, they can't directly import art from Classic and put it in Enhanced. It's a completely different rendering engine. If they want to do this right, they have to do what Saphrieena did - Take the existing art assets, upscale them, clean and sharpen them up while preserving the palette, and use/create whatever tools would be necessary to get this new art into the pipeline.

Anything else, from a graphics standpoint, is a waste of their time.

 

[Nyses]

... Edit: and this does not even address the deficiencies of the EC. I understand when something is in Beta, but Beta should NEVER be released to the public, and how long can a Beta last 3 years, 5? more?

What exactly do you see as the deficiencies when you used the Enhanced Client, other than your graphics preference as you pointed out? When did you last try it? It's MUCH improved over the initial release if you haven't tired it since then.

I have the EC loaded up on my Desktop and it is fully patched. I while back, I spent 3 days in the EC learning it, setting everything up, and making it all work, like i was used to.

Now the deficiencies I see, the fact that objects are STILL not showing up, either in your pack or at your house, the replacment macro system (while I am sure impressive) is NOT user friendly (think mounting a horse), everytime I log back in I still have to sit there and open and position my UGLY Paperdoll, and pack and a few other things.

Oh and turning your char, I think I noticed why some people are getting the Vertigo feeling, it apperears that when you turn your char, the terrain under you moves faster than when you are running straight. Thus, you can "glide" past objects and terrain that hold you up in the CC. That shift from fast to normal can really be distracting.

Now, you may scoff at these, but they are only the things off the top of my head. Many others have already adressed the, uh, graphics. Someone made a GREAT suggestion, to clean up the CC graphics, ala Saphrieena, then import them.

So, these were observations from logging into the EC last night.

 

[Siteswap]

No amount of fannying around with the EC is EVER going to get it adopted by the masses. Similarly no amount of retrofitting the CC is ever going to work.

There is only one answer to our conundrum im afraid ... back to the drawing board.

Make a client that LOOKS and FEELS like the CC but has the functionality, scalability and flexibility of the EC.

Do that and you'll have a client which 95% of the players will use. You can then scrap the other two.

Its a big ask I know but failing that, we'll be having this two client debate till the cows come home...

 

[BajaElladan]

Once again, the vast majority of Payers, are told by the tiny minority, do as we say OR ELSE!

The VAST MAJORITY of Payers, those of US using the classic client, original client, legacy client (whatever name you wanna call it), reply OR ELSE WHAT????

We prefer CC, just as we prefer Trammel ruleset.

Leave it as WE the MAJORITY want, or turn off the servers!!!

The classic client is the ONLY client keeping UO operating.

Nuff Said?

The DEVil team and Cal carebear, and the MINORITY minions can't stand the fact they can't FORCE the vast majority of Payers to "Behave Or Else!"

Keep trying, and you control freaks not only won't have enough income to pay your salaries, you won't have enough income to even keep the lights on.

Please Read and Re-Read this until it sinks in: LEAVE OUR CLIENT ALONE

 

[nico7600]

I can only sign that! The classic client is much better than the new one in almost every aspect. I've been using it since almost 13 years and I will NEVER switch to the enhanced client, which has ugly paperdolls, the impression of moving in slow motion even if it's not the case, dim look. Yuck!!!

 

[Tanivar]

Why don't you EC fans with two accounts try this if you have wide screen monitors.

Start up the CC and EC and position them side by side on your monitor. Then start playing one account, then the other, as the active window, and compare the two. Then get both characters the same place and watch the graphics in both client windows.

The CC outclasses the EC hands down when seen side by side, doesn't it?

 

[ingsmsico]

instead of fooling around w/ the CC they should just make a separate UOAssist type program of their own design to enhance it and let us DL it from uo.com

 

[ingsmsico]

Oh I know. But I wanted to add it in so I didn't get 'But it doesn't play on my PC!'. I imagine a lot of UO players maybe still have dated machines because of the CC client.

I don't see why you would neglect upgrading an 8 year old machine because of the classic client, household financial issues maybe, but not because of a video game.

it's silly to use old PC's these days, the newest websites are all modern and run like crap on PC's 5+ years old.

 

[Old Man of UO]

... The CC outclasses the EC hands down when seen side by side, doesn't it?

Not by a long shot. It's all a matter of opinion and when I compare the two like that - the CC is this unplayable tiny little window and the EC fills the whole screen. EC wins hands down.

 

[northwoodschopper]

this thread further supports that if the devs just went ahead and made the EC look like the CC, that there would be a large increase in support. maybe the devs don't want to fully implement the CC graphics because it would slight the artists of the EC (and possibly look bad to the fat cats at EA HQ on top of it).

if the devs just went ahead and implemented the majority of UOA into the EC, as well as the CC graphics and gumps, i'm pretty sure the vast majority of players in support of the CC would gladly use the EC. the last of the holdouts would be those running the CC on minimum specs, and of course those that use the primary offending 3rd party progs.

i also wonder why the CC graphics couldn't use scalers like emulators do. hqx look great, and i doubt it would impact system performance too much in the aqe of dual core.

 

[Tanivar]

if the devs just went ahead and implemented the majority of UOA into the EC, as well as the CC graphics and gumps, i'm pretty sure the vast majority of players in support of the CC would gladly use the EC. the last of the holdouts would be those running the CC on minimum specs, and of course those that use the primary offending 3rd party progs.

This would keep the look & feel that along with the content makes UO UO.

I might even build a new computer to play it.

 

[Siteswap]

This would keep the look & feel that along with the content makes UO UO.

It would keep the look but I dont know about the feel. They'd have to do something about the "ice-skating" movement that is present in the current EC...