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Bards in PVP

Anon McDougle

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Bard tamer. The most feared PvP template
Well on Origin I'm a bard/Thrower and on Siege I'm a bard/Mage

lets put this perspective from now on your weapon skill doesn't work on other players
or your Mage Skills ....
why cant i Disco you then Provo a GD onto you ?? kinda silly if you ask me
 

elster

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I always thought it would be awesome to have bards in PvP but I'm assuming this would be a balancing nightmare.
 

elster

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Not Trolling everyone says go to Fel get your own PS something i am more than willing to do .... but my template is useless there .....
And how many character slots do you have? Should I be able to imbue armor with my parry mage? Should I be able to farm slithers on my deathstriker? only you CAN work spawns on your bard and not get raided a fair amount of the time. bring guildies to help? you're the only one standing in your way. i find it quite incredible that you think your entitled to everything with one template?
 

Anon McDougle

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And how many character slots do you have? Should I be able to imbue armor with my parry mage? Should I be able to farm slithers on my deathstriker? only you CAN work spawns on your bard and not get raided a fair amount of the time. bring guildies to help? you're the only one standing in your way. i find it quite incredible that you think your entitled to everything with one template?
wanting my template to be viable is a sense of entitlement ?
I think you are missing my point or just wanting to argue ?
 

Max Blackoak

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he only has one character on Siege, so no additional slots.

@Anon McDougle : this is why soulstones are so popular on Siege. Get a couple and be versatile with the templates you run. You are correct, that full bards are not a great choice for spawns. With the help of 3 soulstones (2 with necro and spirit speak, one empty to switch them for peace and provo) you would be able to switch to necro mage with discordance for example (get 2 skeletal dragons with the necro mastery, have them guard you and wither through spawn while they tear everything that you attack/attacks you to shreds until Barracoon pops. Then discord the champ, sick the skeletal dragons on him and support with animate dead (up to 3 liches from rat mages and archers) and your usual necro combos - will take you 30 minutes from start to finish, sometimes even less).

Soulstone token can either be bought from the ingame store or for gold from players (current rate for them on Siege is 2.5-3 mil)

Hope this helps
 

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Well yes a pure bard would be useless against a player. A 0 mage weapon, nice suit with full EP, planned stats, +skill items, insurance and other check marks could make a bard somewhat decent but you are still gonna lose most fights. If this is a Siege issue I'd pay for a second account and roll the bard as a protector.
 

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Bards are easy to play in PvP.
invis, wait for them to leave and run away.
whats the problem?

you wanting the best of both worlds and that wont happen.
either your a PvP template or your a PvM template, you cant be both.
the best you can hope for with a bard is to invis and run.
or.... if your felling feisty you can start to teleport around the spawn and up on the ledges and invis, get the spawn on the pvp guys and rain down some mind blasts and keep out of reach.
i dont see many pvp mages on siege.

you could always kill off magic and put on something else, like spellweaving or myst.
that would give you more options for offensive spells.

your in a box, you need to think like you where outside that box my friend.
 

Anon McDougle

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Bards are easy to play in PvP.
invis, wait for them to leave and run away.
whats the problem?

you wanting the best of both worlds and that wont happen.
either your a PvP template or your a PvM template, you cant be both.
the best you can hope for with a bard is to invis and run.
or.... if your felling feisty you can start to teleport around the spawn and up on the ledges and invis, get the spawn on the pvp guys and rain down some mind blasts and keep out of reach.
i dont see many pvp mages on siege.

you could always kill off magic and put on something else, like spellweaving or myst.
that would give you more options for offensive spells.

your in a box, you need to think like you where outside that box my friend.
I understand I really do just wonder how it would go over if mages could not cast on other players or pets wouldn't attack other players your not allowed to swing your sword at that poor guy is there any other template with 480 skill points invested that can only be used for PVM ?

I'm not asking for anything OP here if you have spell resistance my Disco shouldn't affect you much and surely you're not afraid of me provoing a monster on you

I have not yet tested but even my Mastery's can not be used...
 

GarthGrey

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Someone whined a long long time ago about bards being able to use their skills on players and we're where we are. And yes you can use Despair and Trib against players, but it's pretty weak, even if they don't have resist.
 

TaldarinZPhoenix

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Not sure if its still a thing but you used to be able to kill players in fel AFK macro’ing in thier houses with despair even through the wall
 

Poo

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the discordance mastery that does damage over time absolutely works against players
ya but you have to remain close for that to work, hard to do that unless your in a passage doing fields or something such
 

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Bards are easy to play in PvP.
invis, wait for them to leave and run away.
whats the problem?

you wanting the best of both worlds and that wont happen.
either your a PvP template or your a PvM template, you cant be both.
the best you can hope for with a bard is to invis and run.
or.... if your felling feisty you can start to teleport around the spawn and up on the ledges and invis, get the spawn on the pvp guys and rain down some mind blasts and keep out of reach.
i dont see many pvp mages on siege.

you could always kill off magic and put on something else, like spellweaving or myst.
that would give you more options for offensive spells.

your in a box, you need to think like you where outside that box my friend.
AS Poo said feeling feisty teleport into the spawn. Any time I was on my bard in Fel at a champ spawn I always run into the heavy spawn and hide as quickly as possible, let them take the heat if they remain in the kitchen to seek this bard out then they better learn to cook
 

Lythos-

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Discord mastery does a good deal of damage if you can keep in range. Provoke mastery is pure god mode.
 

GarthGrey

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I solo'd more Despise spawns than I can count with Necro bard...wither wither wither...while running provo songs...peacemake when it gets hairy....110 sdi.....makes quick work of damn near everything...get to Bara...switch to disco mastery, Trib/Despair, the occasional wither for the pipes, keep him corpse skinned...Fire Horn extra damage, take my scrolls and gold, and go home. I did this many times, during prime time, on Siege, sort of with Bo's permission ;)
 

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Not Trolling everyone says go to Fel get your own PS something i am more than willing to do .... but my template is useless there .....
on Origin you have the option of building another toon for pvp or champ spawning...

On Siege you should be grouping with people. Im sure a bard mage is a desirable person to get into a group.

However, I do agree that it would be cool to add in some bard to pvp. Not remotely sure how to balance it but it would be fun to add to the complications of pvp.
 

Blackie

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If you add bard buffs to pvp you'll get buff bots. If you put range on those buffs you'll get auto-follow buff bots. There is no player skill required in activating or turning off a mastery or song, that's the problem.

Also, some things are a waste of points in PvP. Stealth and hiding, for example. 100 hiding and 120 stealth is rendered useless by Joat tracking and a potion. There are always imbalances, actually play a little and you'll figure it out quick. Jump in, try, do... it's fun too and you'll learn.
 
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Anon McDougle

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Mastery's work fine as they are. however
i should be able to use Disco on other players in Fel
i should be able to use Provo on other players in Fel
i am not asking for changes to either skill or even that they work well but the fact that i CAN'T is just not right..
is there any other set of skills that can not be used on another person in Fel ???
 

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A stealth provo char would be amazing in fel...sorta like the days of setting trapped boxes in the dungeons. Those were always good for a laugh.
 

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Great! at yew there are.... chickens.... i think ive seen a mongbat. An occasional priest of mondain...


Edit:

Take herding to 100, and stealth herd mobs to other players, save 140 skill points on music/provo
Herding is only able to be used on "tameable" mobs... but yes, if there were Greater dragons, or balrons etc spawning at yew gate People wouldn't be pvping there...

it would also be closer to 240 skill points for music/provo =p
 

Lord Arm

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lets wait until they fix things like taming/exploited pets and so many others things. pub 100 barley hits all the bugs and other issues. we need the next 3 or 4 pubs to fix things and improve game. bards are good for pvp with the buffs the others get. too bad they are mainly used with multi chars though, sad.
 

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Most legit PvP temp ever

100 Begging
100 Forensics
100 Item ID
100 Tasted ID
100 Camping
100 Herding
120 Fishing
 

skett

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Most legit PvP temp ever

100 Begging
100 Forensics
100 Item ID
100 Tasted ID
100 Camping
100 Herding
120 Fishing
I really feel that begging is OP and shouldn’t be allowed in fel at all.
Also herding should be capped at no more than 2 followers in fel.

These skills have ruined pvp imho
 

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I'd settle for 3 followers in Fel, but totally agree that Begging is OP especially if they have Glacial Hair.
 

skett

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I agree

Also the europa gold apron and/ or robe needs nerfed as well on GM camping way to OP
 

Anon McDougle

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Speaking of OP lets talk about sturdy Shovels i can dig with out equipping this OP Item while holding a spell book or weapon
 
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