Bags of Sending

[Aboo]

I prefer to slice & dice rather than mince.

It's more fun that way.

Eeek! Remind me to never make you mad at me!

 

[Seismic]

The BOS nerf did nothing to hurt the scripters. It only screws up the honest players trying to play this game. Scripters will just create another script, push a key and walk away. They are not hurt by these nerfs because they have no personal time involved in playing the game. Those of us who are hunting in dungeons, trying to gather leather and walk back through and get out alive with our hides (no gating in dungeons where I play) are the ones the BOS nerf hurt. I personally am looking forward to having them back again.

Agreed..

/signed

 

[Basara]

IMO, I don't feel a bos were introduced to send EVERYTHING to the bank. Gold, a few small items..yes. Leather? I'm not sure about everyone else...but I know what a PACK beetle/animal is really good for. Be damned if I waste my bos charges sending leather.... Don't pancake later when you see gold farming again.
As for whoever may think gold farming lowers prices on vendors?

hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

I sell quite a few high end items on my vendors, the second I know gold is easily gotten again, the sooner my prices raise...not lower.

You totally void your own argument with that last line, though you pretty much proved your lack of knowledge about who used bags for what, in the first paragraph. The pre-nerf uses of the bags were probably more for leather, than anything else (even more than sending gold) - and caused the leather prices to go up 300% when it was no longer cost-effective to use them. 1k Horned or Barbed leather should NOT cost more than low-end Gauntlet Artis (which is currently the case)!

You only get one thing using a pack animal to haul leather - a DEAD pack animal. About the only place one can safely use a pack animal to haul leather from is Ilshenar Oaks (as you can get spined from the Centaurs, horned from the ki-rins and unicorns, and barbed from the Serpentine Dragons, and none of the residents are aggro).

Sure, a lot of vendor prices would go up with the old way - but leather prices would drop. PERIOD.

Which, BTW, is the reason I suggested instituting something that made gold-sending unworkable (50 GP per 1 stone weight sent - coming from the sender's pack, if possible). That would encourage leather gathering for personal use, while still reducing current leather prices (probably would drop to about 1/2 to 1/3 the current insane prices). Just making gold un-sendable would drop leather even more, but make those using the bags for gold, even at the current rate (I use a bag to send 15k from the champs I do, and still lose money from insurance costs, despite collecting all my bags and powder personally, so there's no overhead)

 

[RavenWinterHawk]

Call me old fashioned but the game needs to have some difficulty.

Leather is an issue because of the ease of barbed runic kits. It created demand for leather.
The price isnt high because its harder to get. Its high because its in demand.


Yeah I know. A contradiction. But hear me out. Its not hard to go get leathers of all types now. Its just more time consuming now and without the buttery ease of a bag of sending the scripters stopped. But that more time need creates profit for HONEST PLAYERS. (if that exists)

There were other scripts that were more profitable for scripters once BOS was removed. THEY SHOULD NEVER bring it back to as was.

The way I see it now THE HONEST LEGIT NEVER CHEATED IN MY LIFE PLAYER is so dang highly rewarded for putting barbed leather on their vendor and getting 300 gold per piece, I DONT SEE how the HONEST LEGIT PLAYER would want the BOS back.


Think about it.

WITH BOS 3 hours of leather make 1 million because the price of leathers fall with market glut.
NO BOS 1 hour of leather make 1 million because there is no abuse and no market glut.


I guess you want to work harder for the same value.

 

[Basara]

Whereas I can't even gather enough leather for my never-have-cheated tailor to even fill HIS OWN BODs. I'd rather not have to buy leather at all, as my tailor actually has enough combat skill to KILL drakes, Wyverns, Nightmares, and low-end (regular, serpentine) dragons. I've never had the inclination to sell leather, nor to sell runic kits (though once I did take an opportunity when a guy showed up wanting to by Bronze runics at about 3 times market rate while I was short on cash after buying a 120 Eval PS for my mage, and unloaded 15 of my 25 I had at home - but I certainly don't put them on vendors).

I don't see how anyone who has ever crafted would NOT want the BOS back the way it was. Maybe it's time for you guys to take off the mirrored shades that have the mirrors on the inside face of the lenses.

 

[^Wolfie^]

"The pre-nerf uses of the bags were probably more for leather, than anything else (even more than sending gold)"

Damn, don't make me spit out my sprite again.

 

[It Lives]

Aye for me its about my personal supply or helping friends get training needs filled.
Not about the general populace or how much I might make. Not that I want to encourage cheaters, but I still feel the bags need to come back as was.

 

[Aboo]

Call me old fashioned but the game needs to have some difficulty.

Leather is an issue because of the ease of barbed runic kits. It created demand for leather.
The price isnt high because its harder to get. Its high because its in demand.


Yeah I know. A contradiction. But hear me out. Its not hard to go get leathers of all types now. Its just more time consuming now and without the buttery ease of a bag of sending the scripters stopped. But that more time need creates profit for HONEST PLAYERS. (if that exists)

There were other scripts that were more profitable for scripters once BOS was removed. THEY SHOULD NEVER bring it back to as was.

The way I see it now THE HONEST LEGIT NEVER CHEATED IN MY LIFE PLAYER is so dang highly rewarded for putting barbed leather on their vendor and getting 300 gold per piece, I DONT SEE how the HONEST LEGIT PLAYER would want the BOS back.


Think about it.

WITH BOS 3 hours of leather make 1 million because the price of leathers fall with market glut.
NO BOS 1 hour of leather make 1 million because there is no abuse and no market glut.


I guess you want to work harder for the same value.

There is SOOOOOOOO much wrong with your post.

First: "Leather is an issue because of the ease of barbed runic kits." Are you talking about the ease of getting them? If so I have been playing the wrong game or the wrong way because I have NEVER gotten a barbed runic kit.

Next: "Its not hard to go get leathers of all types now. Its just more time consuming now and without the buttery ease of a bag of sending the scripters stopped. But that more time need creates profit for HONEST PLAYERS." For people who can't spend 8 hours a day it's darned HARD. I am an HONEST PLAYER and I NEED the BOS for my own person use. I don't need them to create a profit like you obviously want to. So you want to make me, an HONEST PLAYER who has little time to play, spend what time I have running to and from the bank so that I can pay you MORE???

And the last one I will tackle: "I DONT SEE how the HONEST LEGIT PLAYER would want the BOS back." Maybe you should open your eyes then. You are saying that anyone who wants the BOS back is not an HONEST LEGIT PLAYER simply because they disagree with you??? Come on now surely you can come up with a better argument for your selfishness in wanting to make a big profit than that? (I apologize if that is not your intent but that is sure what it appears to be from your posts here.)

 

[Cogniac]

Not only did the Bag of Sending changes not hurt scripters, it actually helped them.

When the Bag of Sending changes went in, many people either stopped looting as much gold and resources or stopped looting gold and resources entirely. This resulted in less non-scripter gold and resources entering the game, which meant less competition for the scripters.

Scripters will always have the ability to farm non-stop at whatever the current maximum speed of farming happens to be. Dropping that upper bound just makes it harder and/or more annoying for normal players, who will be driven to limit or cease their efforts. This then becomes a boon for scripters, who will still be farming at the maximum speed that the system allows, and will now have far less non-scripter competition when it comes time to sell their ill-gotten goods.

 

[Arcades]

Wow Raven, I've read these boards for years and I've always had some agreement about your posts about various topics but you COMPLETELY alienated yourself from what I would call the LEGIT player base simply b/c you cannot see how bringing back BoS would actually benefit us in any way...

3 Undisputed Facts:

1.) There will always be scripting
2.) Scripted resources will always be cheaper
3.) People will always buy cheaper if presented with an option

First off, I havent not looted gold simply b/c they changed BoS...it is just very annoying and time consuming now. With increased prices on ALL resources it is even more difficult for the average player to AFFORD these increased prices. Thus, I prefer to farm the resources myself...lose-lose situation b/c I cannot keep up with scripters selling my legit resources as a source of income and I cannot afford even the illegitimate resources b/c I cannot farm gold like I used to. Simple. End of story. Bring the BoS back so the more remote dungeons actually see some action and are fun to hunt in again.

 

[Lord Gareth]

I say change them back. They are useless. Completely useless the way they are now. and guess what sites are still selling TONS of gold.

 

[Nystul]

WITH BOS 3 hours of leather make 1 million because the price of leathers fall with market glut.
NO BOS 1 hour of leather make 1 million because there is no abuse and no market glut.


I guess you want to work harder for the same value.

You have no idea what you're talking about and I'm glad various other posters have already told you that.

For starters there is "abuse" out there to instantly move bulk anything from anywhere to anywhere. Oh and guess what... It's being abused with things from leather to bones.

There was also something changed exactly 9 publishes ago from the current that put a bandaid on a bug that had to do with the bos "abuse". Feel free to go check the archive on uo.com if you want to attempt to see what it is.