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Any IDOCers have good guesses on how many houses are on each shard?
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Don't mind me... just posting here so I can get notifications on the posts. Definitely interested to see the speculative numbers and too lazy to keep finding the thread 
You Lurker....... Although I am Posting here for the same reasonDon't mind me... just posting here so I can get notifications on the posts. Definitely interested to see the speculative numbers and too lazy to keep finding the thread
There's a little link top right says 'watch thread'. You can do that even if you haven't posted in it.Don't mind me... just posting here so I can get notifications on the posts. Definitely interested to see the speculative numbers and too lazy to keep finding the thread
with people playing the 90 day dance as well as those that just pay but never play......I dont think this would indicate much. I think you would be better off writing a script to record names of every character that runs through luna for a month....post it all to a spread sheet and use the sort...replace and count functions. then divide by about 2.5 and that would give you a better idea of how many active ( and by active I mean played on regularly) accounts on a given shard.
@Mentiras , Thanks!
Of the shards I run around looking for idocs (GL, LS, Legends, Chessy, Catskills) I see on small prodo shards (Legends, Cats) anywhere from 400-500 houses. The middle ranged prodo shards (GL, LS) I see 500-750 houses. I don't run ATL because of the shear numbers of idocers already there.
Like @TimberWolf said, I don't think this gives you an accurate number of how many "active accounts" there are.
Of the shards I run around looking for idocs (GL, LS, Legends, Chessy, Catskills) I see on small prodo shards (Legends, Cats) anywhere from 400-500 houses. The middle ranged prodo shards (GL, LS) I see 500-750 houses. I don't run ATL because of the shear numbers of idocers already there.
Like @TimberWolf said, I don't think this gives you an accurate number of how many "active accounts" there are.
Winker is correct .... 1 house doesn't equate to 1 account. I'd venture to say most of the little houses are grandfathered (meaning those are accounts owning more than 1 house). I would only count the larger homes to try to estimate accounts.
I concur Winker is correct there is a lot of folks not playing but paying for accounts
There are also many people with 5-6 accounts so 5-6 houses on a prodo shard and probably another 5-6 on siege if they so want. Odd shards there are some folks with 30-40 houses - dont ask???
There are also i number of bugged houses that seem to have stood forever and a day...which will never fall it seems and some of these are public.... u can enter and see the deco is stuck in circa.2003/2004 with nothing added in 12 years!! so you go figure
Iam currently running the full lands on a average population shard called Sonama......i will let u all know my findings they wont be accurate 100% but it will be a close count of houses although i doubt i will count them all...lolz...but it wont be far off....put it this way malas as got a lot of grass, sand and snow!!!
There are also many people with 5-6 accounts so 5-6 houses on a prodo shard and probably another 5-6 on siege if they so want. Odd shards there are some folks with 30-40 houses - dont ask???
There are also i number of bugged houses that seem to have stood forever and a day...which will never fall it seems and some of these are public.... u can enter and see the deco is stuck in circa.2003/2004 with nothing added in 12 years!! so you go figure
Iam currently running the full lands on a average population shard called Sonama......i will let u all know my findings they wont be accurate 100% but it will be a close count of houses although i doubt i will count them all...lolz...but it wont be far off....put it this way malas as got a lot of grass, sand and snow!!!
Seems to me a paying account is an active account whether it is 1 account or 50 accounts owned by the same person. I am a whole lot better now and only have 12 accounts.......... Some people like to collect rares, I like to collect houses, I just don't have a collection of 56 anymore
YesDidn't Wilki post a house count once, listetd by type (like: Castles 46, Keeps 62, Towers 174, etc.) or is it something I've dreamt ?
Maybe it was only for a single shard...
Nearly done
Sonama is a castle/keep and luna only shard... i would put it at slight below average populous...So house count will be -averge
That is all castles spots and luna spots are taken and command a nice premiumn .....And the area around luna is used... other than that malas is pretty empty.... Trammel keeps and felucca keep spots litter the lands by the handfull and even the likes of new magincia in feluuca is a ''pvp guilds dream''- totally and utterly empty....
gimme a day or two while i tot up
Sonama is a castle/keep and luna only shard... i would put it at slight below average populous...So house count will be -averge
That is all castles spots and luna spots are taken and command a nice premiumn .....And the area around luna is used... other than that malas is pretty empty.... Trammel keeps and felucca keep spots litter the lands by the handfull and even the likes of new magincia in feluuca is a ''pvp guilds dream''- totally and utterly empty....
gimme a day or two while i tot up
Sonoma results...pretty healthy 605 houses counted by myself/ marked/ areas etc i visited tram/ fel/ malas/ zento/ tokuna /ter-mer
yes there maybe a few more i missed...few islands i cant get too etc etc...few remote places i didnt go too.....but definate 605...lets add between 5-10% more ?? = 650 ish maybe......not too shabby for what i see as a slightly below average populous shard....
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yes there maybe a few more i missed...few islands i cant get too etc etc...few remote places i didnt go too.....but definate 605...lets add between 5-10% more ?? = 650 ish maybe......not too shabby for what i see as a slightly below average populous shard....
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Cany argue with that. Crazy indeed.
We're probably lucky if we have 5000 active accounts these days
Based on an average gaming software devs annual salary of $60k, and a team of 4, BS may have got the UO contract for as little as $250k a year. but it could be . Lets say $12 a month for a UO subscription (average depending on the sub type) then UO could still turn a profit with as little as 2000 subs, although the profit margin for EA would be very very thin.
I wonder at what point they would just deem it just not worth it, 3k-4k subs? It seems that time is getting closer and another reason to suspect that a change is needed in the payment model before the subs meter hits the 'bingo' mark.
I wonder at what point they would just deem it just not worth it, 3k-4k subs? It seems that time is getting closer and another reason to suspect that a change is needed in the payment model before the subs meter hits the 'bingo' mark.
At present I have dropped $3,700 on UO since January 1st assuming everyone is as nuts as I am .......... and assuming the non player is correct that there are 5000 subs us 5000 nut jobs could potentially be throwing $37,000,000 at them per year
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All they get from me is $25.98 a month.. can't even imagine dropping $500+ a month on UO
i certainly have my own thoughts on actually player numbers per shard...
To be fair I buy a lot of mythic, transfer, and legacy tokens and those forged metal tools and game time codes for friends and family without a CC and they pay me back IRL if they can or with stuff or gold in game or not. I pay my remaining 12 subs in 6 month blocks that cost $720 every six months. UO cost less than many people spend per day at Mcdonalds, less per day than a pack of smokes, and provides good ET value for me. The way I figure it if I am dropping the money on the store for folks that would not otherwise spend that money they are getting things they want or need that they otherwise would not have and spend more time in game. EA and BS get revenue that keeps the game running and I can afford it and get some of the money back IRL from the RL family and friends and have picked up some rares and gold in game. Seems to me everyone is happy.
All they get from me is $25.98 a month.. can't even imagine dropping $500+ a month on UO
As far as number of players and active accts which is two different things, in the grand scheme of things the actual numbers of players while important is not as important as the number of active paying accts. because at the end of the day it comes down to how much revenue UO is generating. Honestly if it came down to One player with 5000 active accts the revenue would be the same as 5000 individual accts. On the books where it matters the revenue generated is all that matters. Obviously no one person is insane enough to run 5000 active accts so the number of players does matter but those who have multiple accts for whatever reason are a important boost to the revenues that keep UO running.
Cant disagree with that, although you have to also remember is that if 1 player with 20 accounts quits, the impact is far greater than if a player with 1 account quits. Having 5000 players each with 1 account is a far healthier position for the game to be in rather than 1000 players having 5000 accounts between them
yep... like when they screwed up idocs... 3 players 10 accounts each... now down to 2 accounts each. they would of had an easier fall if there were 30 players with one account each.
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Ah... ok. That is different then. I thought you were talking about just acct's in that figure. I get confused about what is where in my 2 houses.. did not even want to think about having that many houses to keep straight.
okies lets kick this off....and ill put my tin hat on but this is the best i see it... iam being very pro UO
sonama = max housing - around 650 ... so max ...max ...solo... accounts =650.....HEY ...but hey thats not true ...it cant be....we want players ... individulas...how many people play sonama...???
lets say... lets say... most people have 3-4 accounts .. some have 10.. some have 40...lolz and a few have just one!! lets say... the average is 2.5... pretty sure it would be more like 3 or 4 .....................but lets ride with 2.5 as the average.......... so 650 houses / 2.5 = 260 indiviuals
lets be honest ...bugged houses exsist... ... they dooooooooo exsist they have stood forever.. lets be very very conservative and say only 10% are bugged/// i personally think this its higher but ksara......260 - 260 x.0.1= around circa = 230 players tops on sonama...
prove me wrong/ prove me right.....its just how i see it.....have a great time in UO... i will....
sonama = max housing - around 650 ... so max ...max ...solo... accounts =650.....HEY ...but hey thats not true ...it cant be....we want players ... individulas...how many people play sonama...???
lets say... lets say... most people have 3-4 accounts .. some have 10.. some have 40...lolz and a few have just one!! lets say... the average is 2.5... pretty sure it would be more like 3 or 4 .....................but lets ride with 2.5 as the average.......... so 650 houses / 2.5 = 260 indiviuals
lets be honest ...bugged houses exsist... ... they dooooooooo exsist they have stood forever.. lets be very very conservative and say only 10% are bugged/// i personally think this its higher but ksara......260 - 260 x.0.1= around circa = 230 players tops on sonama...
prove me wrong/ prove me right.....its just how i see it.....have a great time in UO... i will....
How many UO shards are there?
LOL Now that is a funny question.
Hilarious. Im taking it you didnt know off the top of your head or you would have stated it.
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There are 28 shards in total, although since Test Shard isn't a real shard, there are 27.
Since people can have a free 2nd house on either Siege or Mugen, they will be very hard to get an accurate count of players as well.
No because the way you come off as to knowing everything there is about UO I took it as a set up question. But I guess you are uninterest enough to look it up so her is a page at UOGuide for you
UOGuide - the Ultima Online Encyclopedia
Shards - UOGuide, the Ultima Online Encyclopedia
and there are probably people on here that could give you full lists here on Stratics.
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That just show how much you really care about UO and IMHO alls you want to do is run the game into the ground as much as possible. I guess its a good thing they got rid of this rule"Content Detrimental to Community" because that's all your posts are about anymore which is truely sad because as a player you use to have some very good advise.
Thanks for that Frodo.
Back on topic ... If there are 27 shards, and THP describes Sonama as a 'slightly below average populous' shard (and Im inclined to take THP's word on this as he is well travelled), and Sonama has 650 houses equating to 230 players (based again on THP's calculation of accounts per player, which seems reasonable), then an 'average populous' shard might have between 250-300 individual players, (lets say 275)?
Doing the math that means UO could/should/best guess have around 7500 players paying for 18k accounts (although many of these will be 90 day shuffle accounts ... the number of actual paid monthly accounts may be far less than 18k.
The number of accounts is healthier than I thought but the player numbers are worrying, and again the impact of every player leaving is more than one account lost.
Back on topic ... If there are 27 shards, and THP describes Sonama as a 'slightly below average populous' shard (and Im inclined to take THP's word on this as he is well travelled), and Sonama has 650 houses equating to 230 players (based again on THP's calculation of accounts per player, which seems reasonable), then an 'average populous' shard might have between 250-300 individual players, (lets say 275)?
Doing the math that means UO could/should/best guess have around 7500 players paying for 18k accounts (although many of these will be 90 day shuffle accounts ... the number of actual paid monthly accounts may be far less than 18k.
The number of accounts is healthier than I thought but the player numbers are worrying, and again the impact of every player leaving is more than one account lost.