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It is a good idea, but, as I see it, not for a 15 Years reward, perhaps for a 8, 9 or 10 Years reward but not higher. Being loyal to a product for 10+ Years is an incredible achievement and, definately staying a loyal customer with an account as active for some 15 Years (180 continuous months !!!) deserves a better recognition, IMHO.
Like a rebate check for putting up with all the crap?
Well a lot of those 15 year accounts aren't with the original owner anymore. Even if they are, should there really be items in this game that are only accessible to 15-year-old accounts? I don't think so. What can we tell new players? NewPlayer: Hey, I like that item. How do I get one? 15YrVet: Sorry friend, you got another 15 years, and UO likely won't be around for another 15 so you're out of luck.
I say make all vet rewards 1-year rewards. If you want to make vets feel special, give them 20% off a 6-month game time code.
I say make all vet rewards 1-year rewards. If you want to make vets feel special, give them 20% off a 6-month game time code.
So your suggesting items more like the Shard Shield where vet's can save some money, but at the same time its not really something that a new player cannot achieve?
If that's what you mean I couldn't agree more, my account is sitting at 164 months so either way its not a big deal to me.
Besides eth rides no reward should be age limited for use. Picking is another issue. 15 year vet reward option better have a new cool eth ride. Even if it is a broom or and ape.
Again I must disagree with you O'brian.
I have been in the game for 15 years. Though many of my accounts are no where near the 15 year mark, the handfull I originally started with are.
Those who bought old accounts to have kept them close to the 15 year mark had to have played them. Not to mention the original owner put time into it as well.
The rewards were for time IN UO not set for the creator only. Look date and time in game is a big deal. Many of us have worked and played UO long enough that some things should be distinctive of time served in game.
Warpig is right outside of the basic mounts there should be tiers for player loyalty in game. I do however support a raise in the number of choices you get starting at age 15. It should go up as many used up their lower years fully.
I have even suguested a vet reward turn in system to the dev. We have way too many dye tubs and statues running around.... not to mention robes and cloaks....
I have been in the game for 15 years. Though many of my accounts are no where near the 15 year mark, the handfull I originally started with are.
Those who bought old accounts to have kept them close to the 15 year mark had to have played them. Not to mention the original owner put time into it as well.
The rewards were for time IN UO not set for the creator only. Look date and time in game is a big deal. Many of us have worked and played UO long enough that some things should be distinctive of time served in game.
Warpig is right outside of the basic mounts there should be tiers for player loyalty in game. I do however support a raise in the number of choices you get starting at age 15. It should go up as many used up their lower years fully.
I have even suguested a vet reward turn in system to the dev. We have way too many dye tubs and statues running around.... not to mention robes and cloaks....
Definately no items that could make a difference in fights....... but there is a lot more items which could be meaningfull for long time veterans without necessarily being an unbalancing factor in fighting.
Like the teleporting tiles, or the shard shields.
A good item could be a zero followers mount. No, it would not be unbalancing in fights since there is players who already, on foot, run faster than players mounted.....
Yet, a zero followers' slots rideable could be helpfull to a lot of players not using speed hacks.
Another example could be an account item search tool.
Need to find a given item among all of the characters main backpacks, bank boxes, house secures on a given shard ? Use the search tool and this reward item would precisely indice within that account on that given shard that particular item is located so that it can be retrieved fastly.
Definately not an inbalancing reward but nonetheless very usefull to players......
I too like the all rewards 1 year idea. I mean, face it, when this was all created, if you lasted 2 yrs or three, you seriously did deserve some kinda recognition. And it was reasonable, for someone as a noob, to come ingame and think "wow! one day I can have that!!!"
Not so reasonable now, for someone to come ingame and say "wow!!! in 10 yrs I can have that!!!" No way, so the desparity between vet and young get deeper every year we last. I can see it being a bit discouraging for them, indeed!
Even the shard shields right down to a dye tub, let em claim and use it all at 1 year. Might help with retention by making them feel like they are more equal. I mean, afterall, ya only get what, 2 picks a year??? so it isn't like anyone can come in, and in one year just load up on everything...
lol
I need one of those...but I'm sure there's an "old code" reason, or something, that would prevent it. Just like they can't create an item search engine for vendors...
As a 15-year vet, you're biased, so your opinion doesn't count
I've played off and on since 98. I've used various accounts, none totaling 15 years. I think the most I have on an account is 8 years, and that one was given to me.
Let's be clear here. Are you saying the soonest I should be able to use all of the items you can use in the game is 7 years from now of consistently paying for an account? That seems pretty selfish. If so, then we can agree to disagree once again Ms. Storm.
A 15-year account already means it brought someone 15 years of enjoyment of the game. But please give over us your Ankh of Sacrifice and such. Hehe.
And don't get me started on the banners for UO's oldest houses. For one thing, those banners, like the 10th Anniversary Sculptures, like any of UO's self-referencing content, don't fit in the game world. IMO it just goes to show how seriously Devs take RPG development.
contrary to popular belief, code does not magically deteriourate with age, and 15 years is frankly not that old, the languages and technology that would have been used then are still common now. Anytime someone says they "cant" on something like that what they really mean is "we don't want to"
So not only will I have a greater dragon chasing me down, I have you on a mount as well that I cannot get away from. Sweeeeeeeeeeeeeet
Yes O'brian that is exactly what I am saying. I put in 15 years of strait play in UO as did many here... and even those who bought an older account to keep it up and going on 15 is a milestone. While I do understand your position that everyone should get one ... I at times do agree there are Times when its due as such this sir is not one of them. Events and their items do fall under if you go you get one. But as for years of devotion to a game to earn a 15th exclucive item this I must disagree with you. I am sorry you didnt join us back in 97 and I do understand many younger players were not old enough or not even out of diapers yet. It may seem unfair to them and you but in truth no.
Let me4 explain this to you in a simpler term.
The worker at a factory puts in 12 hours days 6 days a week. By the time he has put in 20 years he deserves that gold pocket watch, party, a pention check and a well deserved pat on the back for the devotion to the job.
So far you can agree (I hope)
Now for your version.
Man comes in same factory works 5 years 8 hour days a week. He too is at retirement age. Decides to retire. Do you give him the same as man 1? No. He simply didnt earn it. Even though he is of the same retirement age and all he didnt work the same as man 1.
Rewards are for years of game play. IT is why they clock your months paid. Beleave me if you were cut out of rewards you earned I would fight for your rights kiddo..but being short in the years played is not a reason to battle the gods of UO.
Dont feel bad I still have characters not old enough to use some of the dye tubs!
Let me4 explain this to you in a simpler term.
The worker at a factory puts in 12 hours days 6 days a week. By the time he has put in 20 years he deserves that gold pocket watch, party, a pention check and a well deserved pat on the back for the devotion to the job.
So far you can agree (I hope)
Now for your version.
Man comes in same factory works 5 years 8 hour days a week. He too is at retirement age. Decides to retire. Do you give him the same as man 1? No. He simply didnt earn it. Even though he is of the same retirement age and all he didnt work the same as man 1.
Rewards are for years of game play. IT is why they clock your months paid. Beleave me if you were cut out of rewards you earned I would fight for your rights kiddo..but being short in the years played is not a reason to battle the gods of UO.
Dont feel bad I still have characters not old enough to use some of the dye tubs!
I can see your point, to an extent. But in this case, I think it still warrants a look. I mean, we expect work to always be there..in the rl sense you use.
But does anyone here seriously expect another 15 yrs? Really? LOL
Really tho, you might as well kick the new players in the nads, and jump up and down making the :loser: at them, and hollering "neener neener". Because no matter how bad they want that reward, the reality is their odds of ever being able (of lasting long enough) to get it are real slim.
Truth be told, a one year player having access to everything I do doesn't affect my gameplay at all. And like I said before, the first few years it was okay, now, at this age, the disparity betweenthe players should dictate the age restrictions be eliminated.
Even if the game was around 15 years from now and they are just getting their rewards were already getting our 30th year rewards.
I understand how you look at it. I don't see how starting in 97 as opposed to 98 is relevant to this discussion or how I got labeled a "kiddo". But the fact is UO isn't work. It's pretty much the opposite: it's play.
Now I understand that a company would want to reward loyal customers. But for one thing, in UO, they don't really know who is loyal, who lost their old account and started a new one, and who has an account that's been traded. Ignoring that, surely there is a better way to reward loyal customers than giving them access to in-game items no one else can access.
Now I understand that a company would want to reward loyal customers. But for one thing, in UO, they don't really know who is loyal, who lost their old account and started a new one, and who has an account that's been traded. Ignoring that, surely there is a better way to reward loyal customers than giving them access to in-game items no one else can access.
well seeing as the last reward was so imbalanced for the rares collectors to freely ship rares to atl to kill the market why not just drive a bigger wedge in, how about an "Arrowless Bow of Insta Kill Anything", for 15th year vets only!!!!!
then drive away more players
with Grimm going how about a padlock, a terminal one, can't be too much longer now................................
or a daily token to fire an electic charge at the chair a certain lead dev sits on, so we can FINALLY get some answers when we want them, or instructions on osi houses seeing as the "that" dev has NO idea how they work even though she "says" she does, lol
then drive away more players
with Grimm going how about a padlock, a terminal one, can't be too much longer now................................
or a daily token to fire an electic charge at the chair a certain lead dev sits on, so we can FINALLY get some answers when we want them, or instructions on osi houses seeing as the "that" dev has NO idea how they work even though she "says" she does, lol
Kiddo is what I call everyone, its a mom thing. Consider it a friendly name. As for the game, I truly do understand your point. But I can say with a good deal of backing that those of us who put in the years apreciate the jesture of something for just our time that was put in. I do understand your reasons, I have had friends who quit for years to come back and found their sold accounts elegble for things their new accounts couldnt and wouldnt be able to use for years. They do understand it was their decission to sell the account, or give it away. You cant blame a company or even the person who got it. They made that choice. I tell everyone who leaves to keep a paper trail they cant loose.. keep the password something they would always remember, ledgers with the tax papers ..etc.. this is information you keep for that rainy day.
In all my years playing uo I have taken in so many friends accounts as my own... the ages vary... I know every character on each shard as if I created them. And as I said before I do have characters not old enough to use some of the reward dye tubs... and It does make things odd but I bounce back and get a old account up and do what i need done for them. Rewards is a privlage not a given. It is not up to us how they wish to give us a gift for being loyal to the game... I am just thankfull they feel it needed to do so and with some of the nicest things.
O'brian sweety, I watched too many scoccer moms and sports parents cheer their kids on to getting trophys for loosing.... I didnt agree with it. You see you learn humility from loosing, and grace in the positive congratulating of the winner with a smile. Not the false feeling they are winners and due all life has to give them as a given. This is wrong. Children need to learn to loose as well as win. This is real and needed for proper mental growth. Today those same children I watched at practice get this treatment now demand things as their right. Not the earned for good work... This equates to the game.
I played UO for 15 years no breaks no stopping for a year or 2.... I played almost every day..... I remember many of the players who have come and gone on alot of shards.
I have helped players get a foot up and settled in... but no where in that did I feel they earned my place in the game.
Jack where do you see so many players having these shields? I can tell you the market is not going haywire from them.... the market was flooded way before they came out. Infact I know this from the rares community for the fests. We there were organized in shipping things with others going one way or the other. Many of them have had my son's help when he ships. I can tell you we go through alot of full transfers even though I have nearly a full set of shields for 2 accounts. Whats happening is your seeing players move to Atl. I have seen the books pulling players to Atl by a guild effort to entice them.
In all my years playing uo I have taken in so many friends accounts as my own... the ages vary... I know every character on each shard as if I created them. And as I said before I do have characters not old enough to use some of the reward dye tubs... and It does make things odd but I bounce back and get a old account up and do what i need done for them. Rewards is a privlage not a given. It is not up to us how they wish to give us a gift for being loyal to the game... I am just thankfull they feel it needed to do so and with some of the nicest things.
O'brian sweety, I watched too many scoccer moms and sports parents cheer their kids on to getting trophys for loosing.... I didnt agree with it. You see you learn humility from loosing, and grace in the positive congratulating of the winner with a smile. Not the false feeling they are winners and due all life has to give them as a given. This is wrong. Children need to learn to loose as well as win. This is real and needed for proper mental growth. Today those same children I watched at practice get this treatment now demand things as their right. Not the earned for good work... This equates to the game.
I played UO for 15 years no breaks no stopping for a year or 2.... I played almost every day..... I remember many of the players who have come and gone on alot of shards.
I have helped players get a foot up and settled in... but no where in that did I feel they earned my place in the game.
Jack where do you see so many players having these shields? I can tell you the market is not going haywire from them.... the market was flooded way before they came out. Infact I know this from the rares community for the fests. We there were organized in shipping things with others going one way or the other. Many of them have had my son's help when he ships. I can tell you we go through alot of full transfers even though I have nearly a full set of shields for 2 accounts. Whats happening is your seeing players move to Atl. I have seen the books pulling players to Atl by a guild effort to entice them.
the vet rares players have them and use them to move to lesser shards, buy up stuff cheap to move to atl etc undercut others and kill the sales of others that have to buy tokens, this is fact not just my opinion, and they use them to move EM items from other shards for FREE to hit atl, this is also fact and this is what killed the rares community and the groups of collectors when wanted to have small collections grow, Europa is proof of that as several collectors have gone, and another major collector is going, not directly due to the shields but as a knock on effect
Mesanna was going to look into a store version like teleporters, but it seems to much effort for her to well, even reply with any prograss after saying to me via PM should would take my request forward. Is she not the lead dev now? so she is very good at saying what people want to hear, her info on OSI houses proved that to me
Mesanna was going to look into a store version like teleporters, but it seems to much effort for her to well, even reply with any prograss after saying to me via PM should would take my request forward. Is she not the lead dev now? so she is very good at saying what people want to hear, her info on OSI houses proved that to me
Well, I am not sure about that..... I seem to recall (but I could recall it as wrong...) that Game Masters may have the ability to look within a player's account on a Shard for items. Now, if a Game Master can search for a given item on a shard and within the bankboxes, main backpacks and containers of a given account, then why could players not do it likewise "if" they were given this ability through a certain item given as a new Veteran reward that started this new searching ability ?
Okay, I can accept that.
I don't see how any of that addresses anything I posted, but okay.
Now you're just going a bit off the deep-end, Lady.
I don't know whether to feel insulted or pity for you.That's nice. Congratulations. That may not be something you want to brag about in too many places.
There is being able to pick a reward. Then there is being able to use a reward. Last no reward should give a player an advantage over another.
A reward that all players should be added to the list on the 15th as a mark of the game accomplishment. New art fountain deed with 4 choices of look that works same as luck rub statue.
A reward only 15 year vets can pick but anyone can use. A tally when worn by mason / glassblowing knowledge character list of crafted items expands while worn. Stone coffin container crafted by players is overdue. Even slip in 1-100 chance classic crafted items of deco have 1 in 100 chance of being a stat wafer producer. Like the rose of trinsic pedals a random dex/int/str wafer producer.
15 year only pick and use item. Gotta be a eth ride for tradition. Remembers having to wait a month to get a polar bear and age glitch stretching it 3 more long months. Those early bear riders stood out but you'd swear younger players did give respect. When a new player went up to a group of players to ask a question, they went and stood in front of the bear rider. 15 year eth choice be one of new artwork or any the old ones. Picked type will have for 15 year age use tag. The catch would be any dye works on them in statue form and they retain that color when activated. A little tongue and cheek for those that want to ride a purple Llamma or blaze Polar Bear.
A reward that all players should be added to the list on the 15th as a mark of the game accomplishment. New art fountain deed with 4 choices of look that works same as luck rub statue.
A reward only 15 year vets can pick but anyone can use. A tally when worn by mason / glassblowing knowledge character list of crafted items expands while worn. Stone coffin container crafted by players is overdue. Even slip in 1-100 chance classic crafted items of deco have 1 in 100 chance of being a stat wafer producer. Like the rose of trinsic pedals a random dex/int/str wafer producer.
15 year only pick and use item. Gotta be a eth ride for tradition. Remembers having to wait a month to get a polar bear and age glitch stretching it 3 more long months. Those early bear riders stood out but you'd swear younger players did give respect. When a new player went up to a group of players to ask a question, they went and stood in front of the bear rider. 15 year eth choice be one of new artwork or any the old ones. Picked type will have for 15 year age use tag. The catch would be any dye works on them in statue form and they retain that color when activated. A little tongue and cheek for those that want to ride a purple Llamma or blaze Polar Bear.
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Okay... I believe there should be a vet turn in system... say for every 4 you turn in you get a chice. I see statues on vendors for 20k. Vet rewards should be used only if wanted, not to sell. Make rewards such as house teleporters unsellable. As the two accounts I use are 14 years each and almost as old as me I strongly believe that the veterans should indeed get a nice reward. especially 15 years. Now, I think all combat influencing rewards, whether it be a resist cloak or robe or whatever should be within a year. But even these aren't very unbalancing. there really aren't many unbalancing items. For 15 years, yes. We should get a nice reward. just not unbalancing. We wouldn't want it to be like WoWs boas. And no, I didn't buy the accounts. They have been in my family. Committed players deserve a little something.
And no, I didn't buy the accounts. They have been in my family. Committed players deserve a little something.O'brian you give me giggle fits kiddo.(ruffles hair)
Jack kitten... I am one of them ppl kiddo. I move things I buy on other shards or get frim my hard work on shards I have homes on. If my son says "mom i ran out of .... My answer is ok kiddo I got some on ... shard I'll ship you a bunch, need anything else??" It might not be Event items unless I happen to go to my asian shard house's to play and find some in my shopping trips. But you never know what I might run into on any shard I play... Are you angry that things are leaving your shard ? I could see where that would burn your bumm. I can tell you what I use my tokens for from the shields.... my junk! years of trinkets I need to organize.. so I send them to origin... there we sort and make lists of what character needs what and off it goes.... best gift they gave so far! But as I said before I use far more full paid to EA tokens then I use shield ones 2 to 1. Now unless Mesanna wants to drop the bod books to 1 item count.... Hint hint... Id not need them so much! my son walks off with my bods like mad.....
Jack kitten... I am one of them ppl kiddo. I move things I buy on other shards or get frim my hard work on shards I have homes on. If my son says "mom i ran out of .... My answer is ok kiddo I got some on ... shard I'll ship you a bunch, need anything else??" It might not be Event items unless I happen to go to my asian shard house's to play and find some in my shopping trips. But you never know what I might run into on any shard I play... Are you angry that things are leaving your shard ? I could see where that would burn your bumm. I can tell you what I use my tokens for from the shields.... my junk! years of trinkets I need to organize.. so I send them to origin... there we sort and make lists of what character needs what and off it goes.... best gift they gave so far! But as I said before I use far more full paid to EA tokens then I use shield ones 2 to 1. Now unless Mesanna wants to drop the bod books to 1 item count.... Hint hint... Id not need them so much! my son walks off with my bods like mad.....
Epic I have been asking for a NPC turn in for vet rewards..... 3 producers now (Mesanna i officialy ask you for one plz... ) I have 3 secures full of 1st year Dragons alone and that is not counting all i have decoing houses! Dont even ask how many tubs i got..........
I think it should go :
1 first year for 1 on first year items
2 first year for 1 on second year or 2 second for a second
and so forth to the 14th year Cant count in the 15th we dont have them yet hehe... but it would help reduce the excess to things players coudl really use. This includes the full soulstones in this.
I think it should go :
1 first year for 1 on first year items
2 first year for 1 on second year or 2 second for a second
and so forth to the 14th year Cant count in the 15th we dont have them yet hehe... but it would help reduce the excess to things players coudl really use. This includes the full soulstones in this.
make all vet rewards non-tradable and only usable by the specific account that owns it.
I think the entire concept of vet rewards should be revisited and possibly revised in such a way that newer players would not have to wait years to enjoy so many of the existing rewards.
Why not change "vet rewards" to "continuous play rewards"? After six months of continuous play, let players, regardless of account age, choose one reward out of all currently existing rewards (then rinse & repeat for every additional six months of continuous play). Of course, if a subscription goes inactive, the player will lose whatever time it remains inactive.
Such a change would encourage newer players to keep on playing, and it wouldn't hurt older players in any way. It also might encourage players with multiple accounts to keep those accounts open, which would be good for EA AND the health of UO's subscription base.
Why not change "vet rewards" to "continuous play rewards"? After six months of continuous play, let players, regardless of account age, choose one reward out of all currently existing rewards (then rinse & repeat for every additional six months of continuous play). Of course, if a subscription goes inactive, the player will lose whatever time it remains inactive.
Such a change would encourage newer players to keep on playing, and it wouldn't hurt older players in any way. It also might encourage players with multiple accounts to keep those accounts open, which would be good for EA AND the health of UO's subscription base.
A lot of interesting discussion here about veteran rewards. I like the idea of rewards similar to house teleporters. You can select them and then choose to allow others to make use of them (or not) as you see fit. Case in point, on Pacific, there are public house teleporters connecting the Abyss houses to a home in Luna. I can't tell you how much of a boon this is to the community at large. It's a real community builder.
Every time I read a suggestion to let people profit by destroying someone else's soulstones to get credit towards a new item, I cringe. To me, it just comes across as being terribly greedy/desparate to view the many hours someone else put into training a skill as a way to get items for yourself. It also seems like way too much incentive for dishonest folks to hack the account of someone else who is known to have a lot of soulstones. (I actually feel that way about the idea of being able to turn in ANY vet rewards for credit towards new items.)
I'd much rather see EA create some kind of an official "soul stone repository" on every shard where you could drop off soulstones so they could be reclaimed by their owner, if they ever return to UO. The only reward needed should be the good feeling you get from helping out another player without thought of benefit to yourself (other than maybe getting to play with that person again if they ever return to UO).
Tina while i aplaud your selfless devotion to the cause of getting players back and I so do wish I didnt have this glut of stones... Many wont be comming back. While some do say who they belonged to and the skills left on them, the vast majority have no skills and no owner listed. Many are not vet rewards too, they are the purchasable ones still available at the origin store.
So why not ask Mesanna for a way to turn them in so the original owners can reclaim them someday? Wouldn't that be a nice thing to do for those ex-players, something that might give them just enough hope to pay up a subscription for just a month to come back and check to see if their old soulstones were saved by somebody and then turned in?
I just might ask her if it was possible to do something simpler still.... replace the choice on their accounts vet page. Each item we choose off the vet page has a code and linked to that account sooo it might not be that big a hastle to do just that. Skills can be rebuilt... the stone would there for them to choose again.
I agree Tina that they deserve their stones back when they return... this is the only way i can see it not be that big a trouble to be done. Granted many wont think that extra choice on their vet page is their stone... unless perhaps a message in the gump was placed to state they have been credited with its return.
I agree Tina that they deserve their stones back when they return... this is the only way i can see it not be that big a trouble to be done. Granted many wont think that extra choice on their vet page is their stone... unless perhaps a message in the gump was placed to state they have been credited with its return.
They could also allow you to drop these soulstones in the lost and found and give you honesty points for it.
Then returning players can go look and see if they find old soulstones belonging to their account.Actually, I have read of posts of players complaining that they were unable to catch up, while they were riding a mount, with players running away on foot........
Being mounted does not seem to necessarily equate, from what I seem to understand, to be able to run faster when playing Ultima Online......
What I am trying to say, is that from posts I have read I seem to understand that already now, a player on foot in Ultima Online could have a Greater Dragon chasing down another player who is mounted, and still outrun that other player "on foot" vs. "mounted"........
So, a zero followers rideable would not change much from what already currently seems to happen in the game.
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I've read that by others as well, in that vets should not gain advantage simply because of their tenure, I'm on the opposite side of the fence. Remember your first year and getting extra skill points? (stat, whatever we get). Made a difference to me, a big difference as a noob. I know there are those that say a 'few points" can be easily made up - yeah today, for older existing players - and if it's that minor a deal, let's make it a vet pick, Every year[/quote]
That just doesn't happen, not even the greatest of speedhackers can outrun a mounted player while on foot. That said giving them a 0 follower mount that they can use with a pet would benefit them more then you.
I've seen people on foot moving faster than mounted people.
