Hurry house decay!!!

[Hellstorm]

I recently transferred to ATL, and have been able to place log cabin sized homes with no real issue. But I have been looking around for a nice 18x18 with a good location. Not luna or anything, but close to a town, or a good spawn area.

I have sent ICQ messages to almost 20 people with houses up for sale. Not so much as even one reply. I have logged in daily and recalled to every home, never once saw another player. If there were vendors, they have long been empty.

I think once house decay actually hits, its going to be shocking how few players are actually active, and paying for accounts. I hate for anyone to loose a house to to account migration, but its time for some house decay.

 

[yorky]

I agree, account migration has its problems but nothing about that will really change from this point on, its time to turn on decay.

 

[tiggertessa2007]

yup...turn it back on , people have had plenty of time to either get their accts straightened out or turned off! ahhhh its gonna be lovely*said with a menacing smile*, another great fall....i cant wait to see all the legacy owned houses drop, i will be there looting ur stuff and then over pricing it and selling it back to u eventually =) dont ya just hate an idocer lol.....i love it, i get annoyed and quit uo like every 6 months or so through the summer months, either i sell everything or just give it away, funny thing is u can come back to uo with nothing and in 3 or 4 days of idocing have everything back.....love it, love it, love it....turn it back on im going into withdraws here!

 

[DeadRed]

There is still a major acct issue still happening...lots of credit cards still not being accepted. Do not turn this on till every tiny issue is solved. Or they never will be.

 

[Lady Storm]

Right .................... not

They just anounced they will fix the account issues so naturaly the jackals are smelling a vunerable animal and wait for the time it can be killed and disected among them....

You of all people should have restraint, you wait for days at a somewhat house till it falls ..

Vultures dont worry you will get your fill even if it does come off another players troubles.

Some and I do mean some are still in dispute with the billing. Wait for them ot turn it on and then go hunting geesh at least let the body get cold we all know your so blood thirsty.

 

[tiggertessa2007]

i have 2 accts on Visa, and 3 accts on Mastercard.. no problems here, i still say turn house decay on, people will have 90 days before it decays....i personally think its been long enough but another 90 days on top of all this time is plenty....if someone cant get their account fixed in that amount of time then maybe they are just stuck on stupid or somethin.

 

[tiggertessa2007]

Right .................... not

They just anounced they will fix the account issues so naturaly the jackals are smelling a vunerable animal and wait for the time it can be killed and disected among them....

You of all people should have restraint, you wait for days at a somewhat house till it falls ..

Vultures dont worry you will get your fill even if it does come off another players troubles.

Some and I do mean some are still in dispute with the billing. Wait for them ot turn it on and then go hunting geesh at least let the body get cold we all know your so blood thirsty.

LOL u can bad mouth idocers all u want Storm but ive yet to see ANY PLAYER walk by a house thats on the ground and not pick something up....Idocers just got smart enough to say hell why bother killing, and busting ur uo hump to carve a nitch in this world when people will do it for ya.... dont want idocers looting ur houses people heres a solution...either do like i do give it all away or dont quit...pretty simple to me

 

[Lady Storm]

Sorry they wont according to EA spokesman the minute the decay is on the houses that are past their 90 days (some are way past with severe billing issues) will drop. What he meant by that I have no clue but he said they will go poof. no warning on the doors etc is my thinking the house will just go poof. now idk if this also includes the contents as part of the house ..but i wouldnt put it past them.

 

[tiggertessa2007]

Sorry they wont according to EA spokesman the minute the decay is on the houses that are past their 90 days (some are way past with severe billing issues) will drop. What he meant by that I have no clue but he said they will go poof. no warning on the doors etc is my thinking the house will just go poof. now idk if this also includes the contents as part of the house ..but i wouldnt put it past them.

they have to be talkign about the legacy accts....old gm seer accts that havent been played in years, they were also never charged...so their houses never went into decay.....and the thought of houses randomly exploding makes my mouth water lol! there are a few museums "that yes i watch like a hawk or a buzzard lol" that havent been changed since 01 maybe....i really hope they dont just poof the items

 

[Ahuaeyjnkxs]

grandfathered houses are few in between, all seer counselor and gm accounts were deactivated after the gold selling fiasco... some seer created characters and one companion was left (me), and they have been deleted without warning along with the whole account (account wipe) as evidenced by many reports along the years.

I ALWAYS paid for my accounts whatever job I was doing for EA. As they created each character on my main account because I was 14 years old and they couldn't give me a contract.

Yea.. I know...

 

[Lady Storm]

90% of all the museums that are registered with uo i know the owners of and none are in danger so go salavate somewhere else kiddo. Beleave you me, any who has anything worth a dime would broker it out for rl $ before they let it fall. dont beleave me ask nabin

 

[Ahuaeyjnkxs]

hehe

 

[tiggertessa2007]

yeah i know, i sell my stuff to.....the same stuff i find in idocs lol.....people leave all kinds of nice things behind, i havent found a server birth in a bit but ive found plenty thro the years.

 

[Tuna fish]

yup...turn it back on , people have had plenty of time to either get their accts straightened out or turned off! ahhhh its gonna be lovely*said with a menacing smile*, another great fall....i cant wait to see all the legacy owned houses drop, i will be there looting ur stuff and then over pricing it and selling it back to u eventually =) dont ya just hate an idocer lol.....i love it, i get annoyed and quit uo like every 6 months or so through the summer months, either i sell everything or just give it away, funny thing is u can come back to uo with nothing and in 3 or 4 days of idocing have everything back.....love it, love it, love it....turn it back on im going into withdraws here!

i have called support 8 times !!!!!!!!!!!

no update billing or cancel sub. on web page.:

danceb:

 

[Felonious Monk]

hehe

^ *Chuckles*^

 

[PitrGri]

LOL u can bad mouth idocers all u want Storm but ive yet to see ANY PLAYER walk by a house thats on the ground and not pick something up....

Guess you missed me then, my dear...

 

[Ahuaeyjnkxs]

And me too...

 

[Sevin0oo0]

There is still a major acct issue still happening...lots of credit cards still not being accepted.

slight correction.. There Are still major acct issueS happening.

Just the other day someone even quoted that even CS might not be able to make changes to people's acct w/o possible losing your things/toons, They will Not turn on decay until acct issues are resolved, Period.

 

[twoburntfouryou]

Yes turn it back on! I don't get all the Idoc haters here. Idocs are part of the game. Please do not insult my intelligence by saying you would just walk by a house that just fell and let all the stuff decay before you would pick something from a Idoc up.

 

[Salivern_Diago]

The fact that there are still issues is absurd. If they havent fixed them now then they'll never fix them. Its not as if the DB behind the account is a complicated one. It dosnt touch the game servers at all (So you cant really loose anything). All this DB does is hold your account details and an unique interal ID mask so that the game servers can check to make sure your account is active. All they had to do is move the data from an old DB to a new one (Which is an easy job for any home programmer). The migration didnt touch the game servers (And if they did... why? Its a seperate server in a completely different datacenter for most of the shard servers).

These issues is because someone bodged up big time and EA cant be bothered to spend the $£$£ to call in a proper DB engineer to correct it. The fact CS have no real idea what they are doing (Telling customers that merging master accounts may result in the loss of items/toons... IT DOSNT TOUCH THE SHARD SERVERS SO HOW CAN IT RESULT IN ANY LOSS?). If its done correctly and double checked (After all they have backups and only a very stupid Systems Manager would delete them) so its not exactly difficult to correlate (sp??) the data and put together a basic (dare a I say a simple PHP workscreen/backend) to put the correct data (Like it should have been to begin with) in the new DB without ANY data loss.

The fact there is/was data loss in an age where things should be backed up, checked and then double checked is disgusting. Please can someone kick EA up its lazy ass and get this migration done, finished and fixed. 2 months on and now its lookling half assed and bodge jobbed.

(I'm not still partly sore from loosing 2 years worth of active data on a online game I was producing 10 years ago has nothing to do with my attitude with databases and data loss... honest.)

As for IDOC's, I wish they would get turned on sooner rather than later as I would like to try my hand at gaining a castle or keep on atlantic without having to pay out all my gold!

 

[tiggertessa2007]

ok for all u innocent Idoc haters out there tell me u would walk by this on the ground and not pick anything up. and yes i was the only person there =) with room for an 18x18 storage house right in front of it.... yeah that is a castle on the ground btw

oh and heres something else cool for yas, since no one ever leaves cool things behind >

 

[claudia-fjp]

Sorry they wont according to EA spokesman the minute the decay is on the houses that are past their 90 days (some are way past with severe billing issues) will drop. What he meant by that I have no clue but he said they will go poof. no warning on the doors etc is my thinking the house will just go poof. now idk if this also includes the contents as part of the house ..but i wouldnt put it past them.

My anonymous EA spokesman says your anonymous EA spokesman is dumb because my anonymous EA spokesman says EA would rather have 10s of thousands of dollars from people scrambling to save their decaying storage houses.

 

[Ahuaeyjnkxs]

I'm sorry Tessa, but since you ask the truth, I would fight anyone that touches a pebble of it, to the bitter end.

I would watch it decay and help the player's spirit release its attachement to his wordly belongings ; thats what we companions do.

Sometimes start all over, you must.

To find your place...

But Tessa, what is Idoc hating really, houses do fall ; and if you pick up stuff and help new players with it, great !

Noone can judge your mind, if you feel right doing it... then try to make good use of it.

Heck for all I know even if you do sell stuff for real money with brokers, you might be feeding a beautiful daughter or son with it and it wouldn't be my place to judge even your ancestral karma.

There is no such thing as idoc hating, it's just another way for life to teach us how vulnerable our community is.

You have the right to state your opinion and this right I will also defend until the bitter end.

 

[kelmo]

*chuckles*

 

[Ahuaeyjnkxs]

*shakes fist at old man*

You...

um... hehe...

you can laugh all you want I'm... yea I'm funny.

 

[weazze]

 

[retrorider]

I am still chasing acct issues and am awaiting a call back from the Customer Service team.

My wife and I have been a paying customers since the late 90's with no lapses in payment and need the help of Customer Service to resolve the issues on 7 of our accts.

If there are two people like my wife and I then there are probably plenty of others in the same boat.

Please wait until the acct issues are fixed until housing decay is turned back on.

 

[Hellstorm]

For the record, I reactivated 2 of my original accounts... they are wiped totally clean... noob chars on shards I only logged into for holiday rewards were all that was left. I am rebuilding a friends account, trying to make it feel like my own...

lets get house decay turned on already!

 

[outcry]

i have 2 accts on Visa, and 3 accts on Mastercard.. no problems here, i still say turn house decay on, people will have 90 days before it decays....i personally think its been long enough but another 90 days on top of all this time is plenty....if someone cant get their account fixed in that amount of time then maybe they are just stuck on stupid or somethin.

What about the people in the Military who may not have access to a computer because of where they are stationed and have no clue about the account upgrades and think their accounts are on auto pay? Should they lose everything because you want house Idocs?

 

[Woodsman]

They could at least delete all the bugged/owned by OSI houses. Somebody saw Mesanna recently deleting some.

 

[yorky]

Its a tough debate, there are good reasons for and good reasons against but as I mentioned in my first post, if the account issues havent been sorted out by now they never will be. I know there are some genuine problems but I was able to get my accounts sorted in 15 mins and one 10 minute call to support sorted out all my problems.

Im not sure what department people are trying to get in touch with but from my experience calling the DAoC/Warhammer team got my UO problems sorted out in a flash, the other EA departments were useless.

However, we really do need decay turning back on and not just for IDOC'ers, there are alot of places where the community is fragmented by old empty closed houses doing nothing but taking up space and preventing friends and guilds from living near/next to each other, if we get the space back our communities can start building houses next to people that actually play the game.

 

[NBG]

Its a tough debate, there are good reasons for and good reasons against but as I mentioned in my first post, if the account issues havent been sorted out by now they never will be. I know there are some genuine problems but I was able to get my accounts sorted in 15 mins and one 10 minute call to support sorted out all my problems.

Im not sure what department people are trying to get in touch with but from my experience calling the DAoC/Warhammer team got my UO problems sorted out in a flash, the other EA departments were useless.

However, we really do need decay turning back on and not just for IDOC'ers, there are alot of places where the community is fragmented by old empty closed houses doing nothing but taking up space and preventing friends and guilds from living near/next to each other, if we get the space back our communities can start building houses next to people that actually play the game.

There is NO reason to turn it on until everything is fix no matter how many excuses you can come up with.

So you got lucky and got your account issues resolved fast, so it is ok to screw the unlucky people that has their accounts really messed up by the migration?

I bet you will change your tune if you are on the other side of the fence. If house decay gets turned on before those people get their accounts fixed, you think they will stay with this game?

I rather wait than lose more UO players due to people quitting over losing their houses when it is not even their fault.

Put yourself in those people's shoes and show some patience. The lack of consideration for other people in distress over their account is astounding and to think you guys want to compound that stress with turning on decay WTF! I mean WTF!

 

[twoburntfouryou]

All this account migration stuff started over 2 months ago and yet there are people who have not yet been able to contact them and get it fixed? Mine was messed up and had my account listed as a new free trial account that was fixed when I sent them a e-mail. As far as billing for my 1 account they use to take it out every month now I must re enter the info when its due And I will call them if this happens again. If it took me 2 months of calling and it still was messed up and I could not play I probably would have quit by now. I am sure they have a way to tell those accounts that have not payed in five or more months from those that stopped when this whole mess started. If a account has not been payed on in more than 5 months I would guess that they are not gonna pay on it and the houses should start the normal decay process

 

[Salivern_Diago]

Here's something for you NBG, it will NEVER be completely fixed. EA did it half assed and 2 months on if there are issues on someones account then its down to one of the following reasons:

- Player dosnt know how to deal with the issue as sweet FA has been posted about it on Herald.
- Player dosnt know about the issue as there has been sweet FA on herald and thier account hasnt lapsed yet.
- Player has tried to contact EA with the issues only to be told some bull by a CSR.
- Player has tried to contact EA, only to find out thier account has been 'lost'. (Which is impossible unless they have actually deleted it, its just the CSR's cant be bothered to correct it properly).
- Player has tried to folow whats going on, had made some attemps to correct the issue but has given up.
- Player hasnt played in ages, has no idea about Migration (As there has been sweet FA info sent out) and thier account will lapse.
- Player finds out that thier account has 'reverted' to an old state (newb status etc) and throws in the towl.
- Player has decided to return to the game and is having difficulties logging in (Most likely becuase they never bothered to update thier email and the account email has long been deactivated.

There are probably a few more issues not covered by the above, but all cases can be corrected by EA IF EA actually bothers to do the work. At worst I can only imagine the DB is fragmented and some internal identification fields wiped/lost. But as I said earlier they will be backups so theres no reason for them to say its 'lost' or there's nothing they can do. They can, they just cant be arsed.

The amount of work to correct these DB issues would only take a weekend for a half decent dedicated team to correct and if EA spent some of that money WE PAY THEM to correct this. All the issues would be corrected by monday ready for house decay to be reactivated 9am monday morning.

Theres no excuse for this sloppy work, theres been no apology, no admission of fault.. just EA doing what it does best and thats f*%£ing over thier customers.

In short, turn decay on as EA dosnt give a toss anyway so why would they care if x amount of people lost thier houses/items (Afterall the ToS states they have all ownership of the pixel crack). If they do care about us then get it sorted, stop letting the CSR's speak bull and fix the damn problems.

 

[Deisree888]

For the people that are having account issues I feel sorry for. But I know alot of house placer don't want it turned on cause they have access and are blocking house placement for free. What do I mean you ask? Having multipal accounts from buddy codes that you could place a house and only have to pay once every 3 months to keep it active. Then when the welcome back to Britanina comes out (free week) everyone that has an old account can log on and place then friend their main chars and have access to the storrage for quite some time. And recently becuase the account where not reacivated the houses never got condemmed and are still standing 2 yrs later. They have to find a way to click on a house sign and know when the last time it was placed and used by the owner. Sounds illegal but its not really. Its a flaw in the system but Its one that can be easly fixed. No accounts should be able to place or receive a house unless the account has been paid for 35 consecutive days. Well thats just the tip of the iceberg and the problem.

 

[NBG]

You can easily find 18x18 to place so people using the housing block excuse basically wants to be able to place keep or castle. Others simply wish to loot some IDOCs.

Both are fine but when you are willing to use the argument that if they did not fix it by now then they will never fix it, that argument is invalid. Based on that argument, if they did not fix housing abuse by now then they will never fix it so what is the hurry to turn on house decay.

If they did not fix a a bug/issue by a given time frame, it is ok for EA to just move on? By that argument, EA will not need to fix anything as long as they let the error stew for couple months? By that argument, we will have nothing fixed ever!

I will not accept that argument you guys are repeating over and over again because I firmly believe they need to fix all issues. You guys are willing to trade that principle away on future issues for some IDOCs?

What we need is to prevent the creation of another reason that pushes players to leave this game and not your desire to collect pixel crack/getting larger housing. What is the point of all that space along with possible shinies when you are the only one left?

 

[Salivern_Diago]

Your making an assumption here... I do-not include the Devs or Mythic when I talk of EA. I have alot of respect for the DEV's, I know the restrictions they have and the deadlines they are given. Housing bugs and other in game issues are nothing to do with the Migration. Migration is something that EA pushed to have and screwed it up with it.

I have every confidence that if our Dev's had any choice they would have worked to get it fixed ASAP. Thier silence compounds the EA mythos and directive that the public does not need to know anything (at all). They have so many restrictions its unreal and lets face when they do talk on here there are alot of *coughs* that flame them and most are outright rude.

EA has a track history of doing what it thinks we want and screw those who dont/cant/wont. I dont think they will fix it to any great degree becuase if EA wanted to, it WOULD HAVE BEEN FIXED BY NOW. You cannot tell me that a multi million £ company like EA cant pull things in together to correct a database error? Its not a cant, its a wont.

It is not fair to push the Dev's into the EA mould as they have worked above and beyond thier contracts with UO. They listen to the players and try to get the features in that are requested (Hence the High Seas, Theme packs, Arena, SA, etc etc). This migration has nothing to do with them, they like the rest of us are having to suffer the lack of money EA investments into getting the job done.

I personally want decay back on as its part of my playstyle and I enjoy it. And thats what makes Ultima Online beat DaoC and War... becuase we can do what WE want in the game.Sadly we get sod all regonigition for our pains (and money) with a community rep that couldnt give a toss about UO...

*breathes* Ok I'm going to stop there, blood pressure rising... *breathes*

 

[yorky]

I agree with Sal, housing decay is a game feature, to start bashing people because they want to go idoc hunting or want to place a keep/castle/house in a good location is unfair, account issues can be sorted out if people really want to get it sorted out, im willing to bet the vast majority have resolved thier account issues by now anyways and some of those who havent are not really interested in doing so.

From what we have seen so far 2 'resolvable' issues remain:

9 account limit which can now be sorted out by using 2 or more EA master accounts.
Some credit cards being rejected which can be sorted out by buying gamecards with paypal and at a discount.

If people are really that bothered about sorting this out, there are alternatives available.

The benefits of having house decay back on can revamp certain areas, luna and new magincia to name a couple, I can place my 18x18 next to my friends too. Also to spin the other side of the coin, if i got a keep/castle/merchant house i would probably continue subscribing alot longer than i would otherwise, i bet others would too. This arguement that turning decay back on would result in pushing people out of the game isnt something I buy, if people want to leave they will, if they want to stay they will take the very easy alternative listed above to keep thier accounts and finally if people are not even bothering to check if thier account is still active, then they are not playing the game resulting in more ghost towns and empty vendors which plague the landscape of uo.

 

[claudia-fjp]

You can easily find 18x18 to place so people using the housing block excuse basically wants to be able to place keep or castle. Others simply wish to loot some IDOCs.

Go find an 18 x 18 non felucca house spot on Atlantic and one on Great Lakes. Let me know when you've found them.

 

[claudia-fjp]

the account where not reacivated the houses never got condemmed and are still standing 2 yrs later.

Some even 5 years later. 6 years of placing free housing. Most for storage, some to play other servers, and some to block spots preventing others from upgrading.

 

[Nylan]

I have to admit I am no expert on this, but.
When the housing decay is turned back on I think we are going to have even more of the bugged houses like the Return to Britannia houses.
If they are past the 90 day mark they may miss the trigger to start the decay cycle.

 

[Deisree888]

I hope they can get all the accounts linked and find all the bugged houses. I don't want anyone who pays for UO to lose whats rightfullly theirs. Back in the day if you didn't log in with in 5 days your house fell like ships do. Glad that doesn't happen anymore. I want them to hurry with the fix cause IDOC's are a big part of this game. Most houses that are IDOC have 10-20 players their ( i speak of Atlantic) which makes every falling house an event. When a castle of keep falls their are more people there than at some Monerated events. Buying and selling houses is how I made my living. I nice when you place a 7x7 at a keep or castle and people laugh then 2 seconds later they want to give you 50 MIllion for you 7x7. Place a 18x18 and sell it for a quick 20 mil. Housing is not considered a skill or trade but it is the fastest and most exciting way I know how to make a living in the world of UO. But now I feel like my job has been elimanated and I am out of work just looking and waiting.

 

[Salivern_Diago]

I have to agree there Deisree, for the last two months I've just bank sat and twiddled my thumbs :/

 

[jack flash uk]

Soon..............................

 

[PICKLE GL]

Idocs will not be up for months as i was told by EA employees. I have been waiting weeks now for them to get 2 accounts up. so be paitent and maybe by the new year ya might see an IDOC

 

[Salivern_Diago]

We've established that EA Employee's (Most notably CSR's) know nothing of whats really going on. The only peole who can tell us when decay will get turned back on is the Dev's.

As it stands I've cancelled a few house holding accounts now till they restart decay. No point paying for nothing eh.

 

[Splup]

Yea there's problems... My friends master account just does not work. Trying to log in to Ultima Online, says no subscription etc. what is says when you havent paid. But trying to log in to the acc management, impossibles "Account does not exist"

gg.

 

[Salivern_Diago]

If your logged in as the master account, why are you trying to log into account management? Just click reactivate and add a card to the file. Done deal.

 

[Adol]

LOL u can bad mouth idocers all u want Storm but ive yet to see ANY PLAYER walk by a house thats on the ground and not pick something up....Idocers just got smart enough to say hell why bother killing, and busting ur uo hump to carve a nitch in this world when people will do it for ya.... dont want idocers looting ur houses people heres a solution...either do like i do give it all away or dont quit...pretty simple to me

Maybe people would pick up items from an IDOC, but that's different from wishing that the house falls openly. There is such a thing as decorum, and respect yes? Most people would take an item from a loved ones home after they die, but only a monster would hope that they hurry up and die so they can get a specific item... too extreme an example? Ok, you've got a cute avatar, all the guys here are hoping you accidentally post naked pictures to Stratics... or your knickers fall off in public... you'd be mortified right, maybe creeped out by guys saying to you directly they want to see your jewels? But so what, I'm only saying what we all know, every guy would love to take advantage of your misfortune! Except, every guy wouldn't, even if they were attracted to women, because there's such a thing as style etc...

So... there's a few castle spots I'd love to own myself, and I know the owners and joke with them that they want to trade it to me for a few beans etc; if it fell, yes I'd try and pick it up. But I'd much sooner people came back and enjoyed the game, happy people alive and playing alongside me, is worth so much more than making a little material progress in an online world where every single item can disappear at the flick of a switch. There are greater jewels to aim for in life, you know..?

Leave off House Decay until people have been given a truly fair chance to express their account wishes.

 

[dupapa]

Maybe people would pick up items from an IDOC, but that's different from wishing that the house falls openly. There is such a thing as decorum, and respect yes? Most people would take an item from a loved ones home after they die, but only a monster would hope that they hurry up and die so they can get a specific item... too extreme an example? Ok, you've got a cute avatar, all the guys here are hoping you accidentally post naked pictures to Stratics... or your knickers fall off in public... you'd be mortified right, maybe creeped out by guys saying to you directly they want to see your jewels? But so what, I'm only saying what we all know, every guy would love to take advantage of your misfortune! Except, every guy wouldn't, even if they were attracted to women, because there's such a thing as style etc...

So... there's a few castle spots I'd love to own myself, and I know the owners and joke with them that they want to trade it to me for a few beans etc; if it fell, yes I'd try and pick it up. But I'd much sooner people came back and enjoyed the game, happy people alive and playing alongside me, is worth so much more than making a little material progress in an online world where every single item can disappear at the flick of a switch. There are greater jewels to aim for in life, you know..?

Leave off House Decay until people have been given a truly fair chance to express their account wishes.

ahmen!