[News] [EM EVENT] Siege PVP Tournament 2010

[Siege Perilous News]

Date: March 18, 2009
Time: 9PM EST
Place: Kat's TnT Arena
Event: PvP 1v1 Tournament

Rules:

-No Summons or Pets
-No disarm
-No pots in mage VS mage duels. Otherwise, as many as you can carry.
-No fields, including: explosion potions, conflag potions, Supernovas, etc.
-No use of hide, stealth, smoke bombs, or invisibility.
-No pre-poisoned weapons.
-No pre-casting of any kind. Meaning explosions, forms, leeche's, etc.
-No protection.
-No changing of templates between duels.
-Forms are alright, so long cast during the fight.
-You may loot, or choose not to. Gentleman's agreements are always allowed, but realize this is a battle, and to the victor the spoils can go if he so chooses.
Rules may be amended at any time leading up to the tournament.

To signify you are the greatest PvPer, Felstead the once great champion of gladiator PvP will relinquish to you his sandals, which the gods themselves have inscribed specifically for this event:

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[Wulf2k]

Will the fighters be mounted then? Will there be dismounting? Will there be killing of mounts? Will that count as a pet? Will only ethies, which can be interrupted while summoning, be allowed?

Animal form archer > dismounted dexxer.

 

[Scuzzlebutt]

Animal form archer > dismounted dexxer.

You're not allowed to carry dismount/disarm weapons?

 

[Speedy Orkit]

An ethy is "summoned" so I'd assume those are out. And no pets would mean...no mounts?

 

[Wulf2k]

I just want to be clear on the fact that a ninja can move at mounted speed with no counter to it.

 

[Scuzzlebutt]

Except dismount.

 

[Wulf2k]

Which requires you to reach and hit the target with it.

Running around the edge of the ring will keep the ninja out of reach.

 

[Speedy Orkit]

Which requires you to reach and hit the target with it.

Running around the edge of the ring will keep the ninja out of reach.

Bola? Heavy Xbow? Plus, in animal form a person would have to stop to swing.

 

[Scuzzlebutt]

Bola? Heavy Xbow? Plus, in animal form a person would have to stop to swing.

And they cant use specials or any other spells.

 

[Draxous]

Rules:

-No Summons or Pets
-No disarm
-No fields, including: explosion potions, conflag potions, Supernovas, etc.
-No pre-casting of any kind. Meaning explosions, forms, leeche's, etc.
-No protection.
-Forms are alright, so long cast during the fight.

Can we add that a mage has to stand completely still for the whole fight? Im not so sure the rules are fair to dexers fighting mages.

I believe it's only right that we force every mage to tie both hands behind their back... rather than just one of them.

 

[Speedy Orkit]

Can we add that a mage has to stand completely still for the whole fight? Im not so sure the rules are fair to dexers fighting mages.

I believe it's only right that we force every mage to tie both hands behind their back... rather than just one of them.

IMO those rules benefit mages more than they benefit dexers.

No disarm - Makes mage weap temps viable
No fields - Keeps alchy dexer from tossing a conflag that does 10dmg a tick and a 30pt supernova
No precasting - Keeps necro dexers out of vamp form, or wraith form.
No protection - That one is for mages, but oh well, proto is OP in 1v1

 

[kelmo]

You folks are gonna cry your way out of any Shard specific events.

Dear EM. Give up on the PvPers. There are a lot of others that deserve and would appreciate attention.

 

[Scuzzlebutt]

I had missed the no disarm and no protection rules. Thats actually pretty lame.

 

[Speedy Orkit]

I've done some events on Chessy lately.... those EMs are pretty thick skinned. I saw some stuff that made me cringe. Players spamming screens demanding items etc.

 

[Draxous]

IMO those rules benefit mages more than they benefit dexers.

No disarm - Makes mage weap temps viable
No fields - Keeps alchy dexer from tossing a conflag that does 10dmg a tick and a 30pt supernova
No precasting - Keeps necro dexers out of vamp form, or wraith form.
No protection - That one is for mages, but oh well, proto is OP in 1v1

precasting I understand... even no fields/pots in mage vs mage.

disarm or no disarm - the temps just as viable. now its almost a must... how will a wrestle mage compete against a fast mage wep with 50hit lightning, high DI, HCI and SSI? It's almost a must with these rules... unless you go parry to fight dexers.

How about no special moves for dexers vs mages? hah.

no protection... vs 4/6 chiv dexers or bushi dexers... ya.

 

[kelmo]

I've done some events on Chessy lately.... those EMs are pretty thick skinned. I saw some stuff that made me cringe. Players spamming screens demanding items etc.

Thick skinned is easy. Caring to cater to a bunch of whiner PvPers is another thing. Either sign up or shut up.

 

[Draxous]

You folks are gonna cry your way out of any Shard specific events.

Im gonna try and be there.. but I'm not joining a pvp tourny thats set up to screw me.

 

[Freelsy]

Instead of all this stupid rule ****. Just have a large open area....not an 8x8 stupid duel pit. Have a 2-3 screen open area where you can run, throw pots, dismount, death strike, nerve strike. Just like on the open field.

EXCEPT "all kill" Because then you are not the one fighting...your pet is. Ban all pets, but anything else goes.


All these rules force you to play templates that not a lot of people play...How often in a fight are you staying within a few steps of each other?? NEVER.

If you want to prove that you're the best, then play any "non tamer" template and prove you're the best.


The one that gets me is no disarm...So if I'm playing a dexxer in the main event and get put up against a mage with wielding a mage-wep...I'm pretty much ****ed because I cannot use an ability to disarm...pretty much a one sided tourny if you ask me.

 

[Draxous]

Either sign up or shut up.

Take your own advice.

 

[Scuzzlebutt]

Thick skinned is easy. Caring to cater to a bunch of whiner PvPers is another thing. Either sign up or shut up.

Why do you even play Siege? You realize you can have tea parties anywhere don't you?

 

[kelmo]

I choose to have my tea partys here. Sign up and fight. This is the PvP shard, right?

 

[Vaelix]

Date: March 18, 2009
Time: 9PM EST
Place: Kat's TnT Arena
Event: PvP 1v1 Tournament

Rules:

-No Summons or Pets
-No disarm
-No pots in mage VS mage duels. Otherwise, as many as you can carry.
-No fields, including: explosion potions, conflag potions, Supernovas, etc.
-No use of hide, stealth, smoke bombs, or invisibility.
-No pre-poisoned weapons.
-No pre-casting of any kind. Meaning explosions, forms, leeche's, etc.
-No protection.

120 Sword
120 Parry
100 Poison
105 Chiv
90 Tactics
X Med
X Resist, Healing, Spellweaving, Spirit Speak.

Cleaver FC 1, Fireball
Lethal Poison, Bleed, Holy Light Spam.

4/6 Chiv Casting.

/win

Thats all.

 

[Speedy Orkit]

120 Sword
120 Parry
100 Poison
105 Chiv
90 Tactics
X Med
X Resist, Healing, Spellweaving, Spirit Speak.

Cleaver FC 1, Fireball
Lethal Poison, Bleed, Holy Light Spam.

4/6 Chiv Casting.

/win

Thats all.

A 4/6 chiv dexer is easy to beat with stun. Replies like you and Asty's are why I am virtually never on any more. Everyone has "their" idea for Siege and can't let anything happen without complaining or offering up their "great" idea. No disarm? I'd hope so. I don't like playing disarm ball tag with another dexer on the shard, I sure as hell wouldn't want to watch two other dexers do it for an hour and a half in a tourney.

 

[Vaelix]

A 4/6 chiv dexer is easy to beat with stun. Replies like you and Asty's are why I am virtually never on any more. Everyone has "their" idea for Siege and can't let anything happen without complaining or offering up their "great" idea. No disarm? I'd hope so. I don't like playing disarm ball tag with another dexer on the shard, I sure as hell wouldn't want to watch two other dexers do it for an hour and a half in a tourney.

You put that Temp ina Box and it will kill anything.. Good luck getting a Stun off if they used SS on the Temp.

"Replies like you and Asty's are why I am virtually never on any more. Everyone has "their" idea for Siege and can't let anything happen without complaining or offering up their "great" idea."

- This is a Public Forum.. If you dont wanna listen to what i have to say, Block / Ignore me.

 

[Speedy Orkit]

I would destroy that template in a confined space.

 

[Freelsy]

A 4/6 chiv dexer is easy to beat with stun. Replies like you and Asty's are why I am virtually never on any more. Everyone has "their" idea for Siege and can't let anything happen without complaining or offering up their "great" idea. No disarm? I'd hope so. I don't like playing disarm ball tag with another dexer on the shard, I sure as hell wouldn't want to watch two other dexers do it for an hour and a half in a tourney.

You dont play anymore because there is no one left to play against! rolleyes:

But on a side note. All I'm saying is. Free for all and see what happens. Then no one can pancake about what rules there are, because there are none!!!

 

[Vaelix]

I would destroy that template in a confined space.

Prove it, someone run the temp and fight em.

 

[Speedy Orkit]

You dont play anymore because there is no one left to play against! rolleyes:

But on a side note. All I'm saying is. Free for all and see what happens. Then no one can pancake about what rules there are, because there are none!!!

I do like FFA events, but that would honestly just take too damn long.

 

[Vaelix]

I do like FFA events, but that would honestly just take too damn long.

I would sign up for an FFA Event or an Open Field event.. I however cannot stand fighting in a Box with pre determined rules.

 

[kelmo]

Why are you folks so afraid to lose?

 

[Draxous]

This is a great idea and we appreciate it... I'm not so sure where the panic over feedback is coming from. Only reason people are posting is to make sure this is fair and fun.

I'm not sure why the OP would have put "Rules may be amended at any time leading up to the tournament" if this wasn't open to feedback.


I agree with speedy... except on the disarm thing. Maybe no disarm in dexer vs dexer only.



I also think templates should be posted before hand.

 

[kelmo]

Rules lawyers... They kill almost every duel event.

 

[Tiberius]

Why not try a team pvp events only rules.. No pets and shown templates and a confined combat area like the wrong entrance or some such. Much more fun than a series of one v ones imo.

 

[Elmer Fudd]

Why not try a team pvp events only rules.. No pets and shown templates and a confined combat area like the wrong entrance or some such. Much more fun than a series of one v ones imo.

Tibs thats a damn great idea, and if Siege doesnt mind, after the tournement im running is done at the end of this month, hope you dont mind me stealing your idea and running with it do you?

Cause I would be game for hosting a tournement like that


And please forgive me, im in no way trying to derail from this tournement thread at all, and encourage as many to join as possible, and do it for fun, I myself would be in, my only restriction is my work schedual, that would be it

 

[kelmo]

Why not try a team pvp events only rules.. No pets and shown templates and a confined combat area like the wrong entrance or some such. Much more fun than a series of one v ones imo.

Tibs thats a damn great idea, and if Siege doesnt mind, after the tournement im running is done at the end of this month, hope you dont mind me stealing your idea and running with it do you?

Cause I would be game for hosting a tournement like that


And please forgive me, im in no way trying to derail from this tournement thread at all, and encourage as many to join as possible, and do it for fun, I myself would be in, my only restriction is my work schedual, that would be it

That would be a fine idea... Just rememember the KISS rule.

 

[Speedy Orkit]

I'd say just see how this one goes. I'm going to try to attend, but don't know what my work schedule is yet since I have drill this weekend and gotta switch shifts.

 

[Elmer Fudd]

That would be a fine idea... Just rememember the KISS rule.

I am Ex-Navy, I understand the KISS rule...lol

Keep
It
Simple
Stupid


lol

 

[Elmer Fudd]

A 4/6 chiv dexer is easy to beat with stun. Replies like you and Asty's are why I am virtually never on any more. Everyone has "their" idea for Siege and can't let anything happen without complaining or offering up their "great" idea. No disarm? I'd hope so. I don't like playing disarm ball tag with another dexer on the shard, I sure as hell wouldn't want to watch two other dexers do it for an hour and a half in a tourney.

Funny thing is, the dexers in this tourney im running that have disarm, it hasnt taken more then five min max, with the firepower people can dish out now,

its a lot shorter fight then you think

 

[kelmo]

I am Ex-Navy, I understand the KISS rule...lol

Keep
It
Simple
Stupid


lol

I knew you would understand. Now if everyone afraid of losing would...

 

[Scuzzlebutt]

I would destroy that template in a confined space.

No, you wouldn't. Wulf played this temp as well as I've seen in a long while the other weekend in his duel vs Sunchicken. I don't think you can beat this template, only outlast it.

Edit: Actually let me rephrase that. You couldnt do that and be ready to fight most other templates that will likely be at a pvp tourney.

 

[VinnySP]

Vinny (ill get owned) but ill be there

 

[Kael]

Why not try a team pvp events only rules.. No pets and shown templates and a confined combat area like the wrong entrance or some such. Much more fun than a series of one v ones imo.

Sounds pretty good...but I say let this one run its course then have the 2 vs 2 next round

Build some momentium and let people have some fun

 

[Speedy Orkit]

No, you wouldn't. Wulf played this temp as well as I've seen in a long while the other weekend in his duel vs Sunchicken. I don't think you can beat this template, only outlast it.

Edit: Actually let me rephrase that. You couldnt do that and be ready to fight most other templates that will likely be at a pvp tourney.

That template VS a myst mage would not last. It will either:

A) Run out of mana insanely fast.
B) Not have resist and get vamped.

 

[Scuzzlebutt]

How long does that Myst Mage last against a necro mage?

 

[Vaelix]

That template VS a myst mage would not last. It will either:

A) Run out of mana insanely fast.
B) Not have resist and get vamped.

Holy Light cannot be blocked.. Therefore in a Fight where Protection isnt Permitted you are *NEVER* going to get a 7 Level Cast off against a smart Chiv Dexxer.

 

[Kat]

Just thought I would add a screenshot of the location. Maybe the OP can add it to the announcement?

 

[Wulf2k]

That template VS a myst mage would not last. It will either:

A) Run out of mana insanely fast.
B) Not have resist and get vamped.

I haven't fought any myst mages yet. What spells do you think would make me run out of mana? I'm not seeing any that worry me.

 

[Wulf2k]

No, you wouldn't. Wulf played this temp as well as I've seen in a long while the other weekend in his duel vs Sunchicken. I don't think you can beat this template, only outlast it.

Thanks for the compliment, but what template do you think can outlast a poison pally? I'm not saying I can't be killed, but if it's not done in the first few minutes, it's probably not happening in the next 30.

I ran Sunchicken out of regs after what, 35 minutes? I'd gone through 5 out of 20 poison potions. I don't doubt that if Sunchicken had had LRC, we would have gone until equipment started breaking. We definitely would have without limits on potions.

 

[Wulf2k]

Dear EM. Give up on the PvPers.

I think the biggest problem is that there is only one-way communication.

He sets rules, gives no justification for the ones that are different from the "community standards", such as they are, and then we have weeks to do nothing but complain about them.

If he sent a shard-wide message saying "show up to fight, here are the rules" we might think they're unusual, but abide by them in the interest of the event. As it is, we kill the time until the event by trying to 'improve' it, with that meaning something else to everybody.

Maybe I have no right to complain because I'm not signing up. Maybe there was a valid reason the last one was cancelled after I'd gone to the effort of re-arranging my weekend only to read on the forums that nothing was going to happen. I dunno. I have no connection with this EM. I don't even know his name. I don't know his intentions for the shard. I don't know if he 'gets' Siege. For all I know he'll cancel this one too, blame us for not loving his no protection rule, then disappear for a year.

I had a point somewhere, but it's gone.

 

[Speedy Orkit]

I haven't fought any myst mages yet. What spells do you think would make me run out of mana? I'm not seeing any that worry me.

First I'd probably purge magic to remove any buffs you had cast to help resists. Even if you have 120 resist, if I am 120 focus/myst I can still sleep you, and the cast time is very very fast. Sleep, back up, mana vamp. Or just stun punch mana vamp. 4/6 chiv DP dexers have been around for awhile, just because Siege doesn't have them doesn't mean I don't fight them.

Log on test, you will see what I mean, the usual set up is:

100 Swords (+20 sword hat)
120 bush
105 Parry
80 Poison
105 Chiv
90 Tactics
120 Resist

Or abouts there. Bleed, lightning strike, DP, switch to bokuto, nerve strike spam. The template is not hard to beat, because it runs out of mana fast, or doesn't have resist. As a mage you:

-Keep feigning big spells to get it to cast holy light and burn through all mana, poison works well.
-If they run med and not resist, you stun, mana vamp, and fireball/poison spam, they will never recover mana.
-As a myst mage, you just cast bombarb onto a spell trigger, spell plague them, let them kill themselves with that, and drop an explode, fs, bombarb trigger combo. It does about 90 damage instantly.

You can also play a mage template with bleed, that also pretty well ruins that template.