Power scroll availability

[Slickjack]

If these people complaining about the game just PLAYED THE F-IN GAME instead of typing gosh damn manifesto's about how much the game sucked, they be the RICHEST PEOPLE IN THE FLIPPIN' GAME.....


SHUT THE F UP AND PLAY OR JUST QUIT...... GEESH.


IF IT'S SO BAD AND YOU HATE IT WHY ARE YOU ALL SUFFERING THRU IT, JUST SAVE US THE GRIEF OF CLOGGING UP OUR INFORMATION SOURCE AND quit, please, ill pay you.

 

[CatLord]

The developers are playing the game in one of the shards...

Soon they will get to Gm skill... then they will have to spawn or raid.

This will be funny...



if anyone wants to join our free spawns...

http://vboards.stratics.com/showthread.php?t=180252

 

[the 4th man]

Sorry to say, this is a large reason why i left. The elite and powergamers have control of this aspect that is needed for lower game play.

More like the losers and no lifers who control others eventually getting a PS.
Yeah, yeah, yeah, there's going to be some basement dweller agruing against me, but seriously....unless you can blow hot air into my face, I could care less.

This limited to the cheaters haven, fel. scenario has made it hard for alot of players to go legendary. Even the 110's are going up due to binders. Most of us have enough sense, and dignity, not to buy gold. Thus, we go without.

Anywho, do what you will, just don't support the losers.

 

[mbraud4]

Excuse me ?

Why should a casual player HAVE TO feel obligated to spend countless hours doing some boring farming activity ONLY so that those players holding tight monopoly of Powerscrolls, and getting them a go-go through protection, easily, thanking to their uberness and expensive maxed out suits/weaponry, can then use a fraction of the tens of millions they make with their EASY powerscrolls hunting to buy hours and hours and hours of boring, repetitive game play from those casual players ?

And this dynamics is supposed to be healthy and good for the game ??

Give me a break...........

I might well be wrong, but I do NOT think it as healthy for the game a system which forces some players to have to build up wealth doing repetitive, long and boring farming activities be them Bulk Order Deeds, harvesting resources or whatever ONLY so that they can have the tens of millions to buy powerscrolls which were obtained by a limited number of players in a MUCH shorter time.

The real asset of a player is TIME.

When a player has to spend, say 10 hours of gaming time (to earn gold) to get the same item which another player gets in 30 minutes (the powerscroll), something is DEAD WRONG with this game, IMHO.

This system eventually backfires for the game because it creates a large number of very frustrated players who eventually get fed up and quit thus depriving the game of important and needed resources (subscription money).

And this, only to let a much more limited number of players to stock up so much wealth they do not even know how to spend it any longer after some point ?

I could well be wrong in my thinking, but personally, I am astonished that this status quo has been going on for so long, so many years, without any true change to it.

It would be really wonderfull if we could know once and for all how many players Ultima Online lost over the years because of this status of things and how many players are not coming back to the game because of this.

Perhaps, if we could have these data many people would change their mind on whether letting powerscrolls' spawns be monopolized is or not a good thing for the game......

Hey person of lesser intelligence...Do you think its easy to get a 120 magery by doing spawns? TBH, it probably is faster to farm ingredients and sell them than it is to get a 120 magery by doing spawn after spawn...Please stop talking since you never seem to have the slightest clue what in the opposite-of-heaven you are talking about.

 

[LordDrago]

I feel like a broken record sometimes on here, but here goes again.

I play uo to have fun. I am by no means a powergamer, nor am I particularly adept at PvP, which is why I do not PvP. I say this so everyone can see where my viewpoint comes from.

If any powerscrolls should be available from Trammel ruleset facet spawns, they should be only the lower level scrolls (105 and 110). Binding 105 and 110 scrolls together will take long enough that the time invested will make up foor tyhe availablility of these scrolls in trammel.

120 skill levels are not needed to compete in the PvM world. The moster AI in uo is not nearly at the level where anyone needs 120 magery to compete against it. If you think you do, you are quite simply, wrong. Stop banging your head against the wall, put your football helmet back on, and thnkk abiout altering your tactics a bit.

If you still think that you do not have any hope in the world, need a 120 magery scroll in order to play, the only thing I can say is that Test Center is that way-------> Go ahead and play there where you can type in a couple of words and have all the goodies that you want.

 

[Aibal]

The thing is, that this game is particularly VERY easy for "some" players and many of these happen to be those who have under tight control the powerscrolls' spawns.....

Risk vs. Reward are just empty words, IMHO. Several of these players have accumulated so much wealth and top end items that, in an item based game, they can easily do anything they wish in the game and prevent anyone to ever get close to those spawns and endanger their wealth source....

The game is hardly any risky for many of these players. Infact, it is the opposite for quite a few. It has become soo easy because of their uber gear and weaponry and ability to buy tens upon tens of runic kits to crank out the super uber weapons and spend a fortune on imbuing them on top of it to just become even stronger and less touchable by anyone that the game has become so easy that they get bored.........

And they call for making the game harder but most players do not own those super uber top items and so, cannot catch up.

OMFG, do you EVER stop whining?:gun: You ALWAYS want everything cheap and easy, or if it's an item that no longer spawns/drops (ie. dread warhorses), you find it unfair that some have them and not everyone. I am not a spawner, only a casual pvp'er, mostly a pvm'er and I have no trouble obtaining the gold to buy scrolls nor the "uberleetsauceomfguntouchable" weapons/armor through imbuing. I play the game for fun and have had exactly ZERO problems living quite comfortably in this game, and that includes scrolling out characters on two accounts which includes 6, yes SIX, legendary mages. Maybe if you spent less timing whining on the boards popps, and more time playing the game, you'd be better off.

Before you come back with your whine about "grinding" for gold, don't bother. I can farm SA ingredients FAST for gold. Farm the events...I made a killing on Soles of Providence. I received something like 11 of the luck mempo's during ToT2, which sold for an average of 8 million gold for me. It's easy to do if you're smart about it. Whine less, think more, play smarter...you'll have gold in no time.

 

[Aibal]

It may take some time to get that 1 particular 120, but the thing is, that while spawning for that particular 120, a NUMBER of other 120s, which mean millions upon millions in revenues, are obtained.

Sure thing, because we all know how valuable those 120 stealing, focus, chivalry, etc scrolls are worth.rolleyes:

 

[Aibal]

Players spending weeks upon weeks of gaming time to make the gold value equivalent to get a scroll which took a few minute to some other player to get. Only because some players are precluded, cut out from being able to access those scrolls' spawns.

No one is "precluded" from getting scrolls. The high end scrolls do not drop every few minutes. Please refrain from posting things you know absolutely nothing about. If you don't like it, grow a sack and go do some spawns...get your own scrolls. Otherwise go farm for gold and buy them. As Connor said quite well, you can make 5M an hour in this game farming for gold...that equates to three hours game time for a 120 magery. Quit whining on the forums and start playing poops, you might figure it out.

 

[Gowron]

If there's a possibility for a classic shard then theres a possibility for cooperative public power scroll spawns. After all trammel has been around since almost the beginning it feels like. And for a good reason.

If a classic shard does come to fruition, then those playing on it will not have access to power scrolls as they came after the generally recognized "classic" period.

 

[UOKaiser]

About 4mill.

Thanks. 14mil lowest price in luna atlantic. Which means there underpriced on atlantic by around 26mil max. The going rate on production should be 30-40mil

Yep there pretty cheap on production then extremly underpriced. So he's good to go.

 

[popps]

Thanks. 14mil lowest price in luna atlantic. Which means there underpriced on atlantic by around 26mil max. The going rate on production should be 30-40mil

Yep there pretty cheap on production then extremly underpriced. So he's good to go.

Uhu ?

120 Magery on a production shard should sell about 30 to 40 millions ??

Says who if I may ask ??

P.S. I do have one 120 Magery which I would let go at the lower 30 millions end, let me know

 

[Connor_Graham]

P.S. I do have one 120 Magery which I would let go at the lower 30 millions end, let me know

Hypocrite.

 

[UOKaiser]

Uhu ?

120 Magery on a production shard should sell about 30 to 40 millions ??

Says who if I may ask ??

P.S. I do have one 120 Magery which I would let go at the lower 30 millions end, let me know

It should but it doesn't thats why many items are underpriced. Siege conversion. If siege has it at 4 mil then 8-10x conversion is the average price on production. People can go on siege make 2mil gold there and convert that gold to production with a broker for 16-20mil. As siege was never effected super increase of inflation and has just had a standard inflation all these years is always a good way to measure the value of item's on production.

 

[Connor_Graham]

So...how do you and Connor make 5 mil per hour farming for gold?

Who said we were farming for gold?rolleyes:

 

[Aibal]

So...how do you and Connor make 5 mil per hour farming for gold? I'm not saying it's not possible, but I've never done it or heard of it being done, except here in your posts. If there's some legitimate way to make that much gold per hour, I'm sure we'd all love to learn.

Even if I could make that much gold, I wouldn't choose to spend it with the few guilds that kept the Catskills scroll market locked up for years.

Also I think the poster's name is "popps," not "poops."

As I said in an earlier post, farm "items", not gold. Events are huge gold sinks...for me lol.

 

[ZidjiN]

Ive been actively posting on this forum for years and i belibve that i more or less never been rude or inpolite to anyone.
I would like to see my self as someone who trys my best to help ppl out in what ever way i can.

Anyway this might not be my most poilte reply and it wasnt my iontention to be polite eithyer. Im sick and *****tiered to read the same biased **** all day.
Popps i think im one of these players that you talk about that get a 120 magery every 30 minutes. Heres some questions and answeres for you.

Excuse me ?
Why should a casual player HAVE TO feel obligated to spend countless hours doing some boring farming activity ONLY so that those players holding tight monopoly of Powerscrolls, and getting them a go-go through protection, easily, thanking to their uberness and expensive maxed out suits/weaponry, can then use a fraction of the tens of millions they make with their EASY powerscrolls hunting to buy hours and hours and hours of boring, repetitive game play from those casual players ?
......

You dont NEED to buy anything. Period.
You have the choise to buy something if you want it. If you dont feel like spending 10+ million on a PS please buy the 115 alternative.

Whats the problem? Do you think that you need a maxed out suit and a Uber guild to make a champ spawn? Ive done countless of spawns solo, with nothing more then a 60+ resist suit with LRC.
And Yes i do belive that thats something that every member of this game could get if they wanted to.

And this dynamics is supposed to be healthy and good for the game ??
Give me a break.................

Why wouldnt it? I think its good that certain itemd drops at certain spawns, that makes it possibe to farm for something you really want.
I dont hear whine that Doom arties doesnt drop of ogrelords, Mongbats, and whatnot.
Jeeeeeesssus.

I might well be wrong, but I do NOT think it as healthy for the game a system which forces some players to have to build up wealth doing repetitive, long and boring farming activities be them Bulk Order Deeds, harvesting resources or whatever ONLY so that they can have the tens of millions to buy powerscrolls which were obtained by a limited number of players in a MUCH shorter time.......

Much shorter time? Buy a limited number of players?
If by "limited numbers of players" you mean the once that farm for it your correct. But isnt that how everything in this game works?
If you want leather you kill something that drops leather.
If you want Solen stuff you go do those quests.
If you want doom arties you go to Doom.
How would you like it to work? Kill a ratmen and have the chanse for everything from a blankscroll to an ornament of the magician to drop?
I just dont get your logic.

Your talking about that the once who gets the scrolls get their money faster then someone who farms something ellse for the same amount of money.
Im willing to bet you 100mill on that i can farm 10 million together faster on the trammel ruleset then you can in fell if your all allone and noone interferes.

The real asset of a player is TIME.
When a player has to spend, say 10 hours of gaming time (to earn gold) to get the same item which another player gets in 30 minutes (the powerscroll), something is DEAD WRONG with this game, IMHO.
.......

Your so increadibly dumb that i feel sick. What world do you live in, we have a famous kid in sweden called Joel Bitar and he sure has at least twice your inteligens.
Do you think that thats how it works to get a power scroll thats worth 10+mill. Go do one spawn and allways get away with a top en scroll?
Common.... It takes a lot of time, not 30 minutes.
You could just aswell go Navre say all kill to your greater drag, go watch something kinky on the web and come back 5 minutes later and have a tangle in your backpack that you sell for 65 mill.
How long does it take to say all kill? Lets say 1 sec to be generous, thats 65 mill perscond. At least buy your logic.

This system eventually backfires for the game because it creates a large number of very frustrated players who eventually get fed up and quit thus depriving the game of important and needed resources (subscription money).
.......

Just let me ask you. What does these "very frustrated players" do in their game time, that doesnt give any gold but requires a 120 magery and a 250million dollar weapon? Sit at luna bank figting eachother with their Epeens?



I would leave this game the same day that a mod tells us that they listen to you and that they feel that your a reliable source of information.
Bye bye.
Gaaaaaah

 

[mbraud4]

I'm a person of lesser intelligence myself, but I didn't think popps was talking specifically about getting one special scroll - such as the rare 120 magery. He was talking in more general terms about the harm scroll monopolies do to the game and the inequality of time invested - in general - between those who control spawns and are able to get scrolls easily and those whose only choice is to spend a greater amount of time gold farming in other ways in order to buy their scrolls.

If you are in a guild that owns a shard's scroll monopoly, you have plenty of time and opportunity to get whatever scrolls you need, either from gold from the sales of other scrolls, by trading with guildmates, or getting for yourself directly from spawning.

If you aren't among the monopoly owners, you have only one choice: to get the gold some other way and buy scrolls from them.

Many of us, especially those who have been on one shard a long time, have been involved in shard politics and seen certain problems firsthand, are very very reluctant to reward the negative behavior of some spawning guilds with our hard-earned gold.

I should also add a convenient link to the Catskills Spawning Network thread on Stratics Catskills Forum:
http://vboards.stratics.com/showthread.php?t=180252

Why in the flying ape doodie is spawn monopolizing a "negative behavior"? Because some players enjoy the PVP aspect of the game which most trammies forget was a huge part of original UO and was toned down to accommodate those who do not enjoy the playstyle by introducing the trammel facet. Just because a player kills other players does not mean it is a "negative behavoir." He is just role playing the game as he sees fit. No one has to be generous to anyone else in game if they don't want to. Being an active member in shard politics does not earn you the right for powerscrolls. It does not give you any more right to powerscrolls over those who pvm and pvp to protect their pvm spawn. When will you people get it through your friggin heads...no one wants to force you guy to pvp. If you need a powerscroll that bad, it is NOTHING to get the gold via trammel-means and buy the scroll. You HAVE that CHOICE. This game is all about choice and opportunity, its not about who deserves what and who automatically gets what. This isn't kindergarden, I suggest some of you softies need to man-up. You might actually find the game alot more enjoyable once you experiece it more. Somewhat similar to staying in the shallow end of the pool and being too afriad to go into the deep end...but once you did and got adapted to swimming in the deep end, you had much more fun? Then again some people wade in the shallow end their whole lives, not saying names but it rhymes with tops, hops, crops, plops, flops, mops, cops, and many other words of a similar nature.

 

[Splup]

Legendary magery costs 14 - 18 mill depending on shard.

If you play some other shard then Atlantic, I bet if you gather few friends you can go do spawns in T2A and get rarely raided.

 

[Shelleybean]

I've heard countless times how pvp in itself is its own reward. It's not about the items or the loot. Whatever. The minute someone suggests a way to get powerscrolls in Trammel, the tune changes. Power scrolls are an important part of building a character, regardless of the facet a person prefers. It is really inexcusable to allow something this important to be dominated by one facet and one playstyle. Another thing that bothers me is that by buying powerscrolls, I know for a fact that I am supporting a playstyle and a system tht I have grown to resent. Since it's obvious items really are important to pvpers, the system needs to be set up to reward those that pvp without negatively impacting those that do not.

 

[ZidjiN]

Those who hold tight the monopoly of powerscrolls get them quite easily and in quite a short time. I heard of spawns done in like 30 minutes and in that time frame quite a number of scrolls, more with protection, are spawned.

So, in 30 minutes, a player can possibly get tens of millions.

There is no monopoly on Powerscrolls. God...
And this 30 minute time frame that you keep refering to... Is powerscrolls the only item you can think of that you could possibly get in 30 minutes thats worth 10mill+?

Your either:
(A) Totaly missinformed
(B) Really really stupid
(C) Bot of the above
(D) Spolied irl

I tend to belive either B or C.

 

[Surgeries]

I'm a person of lesser intelligence myself, but I didn't think popps was talking specifically about getting one special scroll - such as the rare 120 magery. He was talking in more general terms about the harm scroll monopolies do to the game and the inequality of time invested - in general - between those who control spawns and are able to get scrolls easily and those whose only choice is to spend a greater amount of time gold farming in other ways in order to buy their scrolls.

If you are in a guild that owns a shard's scroll monopoly, you have plenty of time and opportunity to get whatever scrolls you need, either from gold from the sales of other scrolls, by trading with guildmates, or getting for yourself directly from spawning.

If you aren't among the monopoly owners, you have only one choice: to get the gold some other way and buy scrolls from them.

Many of us, especially those who have been on one shard a long time, have been involved in shard politics and seen certain problems firsthand, are very very reluctant to reward the negative behavior of some spawning guilds with our hard-earned gold.

I should also add a convenient link to the Catskills Spawning Network thread on Stratics Catskills Forum:
http://vboards.stratics.com/showthread.php?t=180252

Folks...no such thing as something for nothing.

All my chars are scrolled. I haven't been in Fel ever to a spawn. Not ever.

I make or get awesome stuff from doing PvM (Peerless, regular) and I set up my own vendors in the wilderness, and spread runes.

My place was so popular, that PvP guilds made runes to look just like mine, and even named them, and colored them the same, to get unsuspecting shoppers to go to Fel instead of my vendors, so they could PK them. Annoying, but a bit of a sideways compliment.

I did well enough that I was able to purchase a Luna house with my profits from my wilderness vendors. And I never, ever went to Fel.

If a person thinks outside the box, there are myriad ways to get the gold to buy scrolls, if PvP isn't your thing.

Or...you can spend the time you COULD spend being creative, doing things you enjoy, and getting the items you desire that way, coming instead on these boards telling everyone how unfair it all is.

I have played since Beta...I do not enjoy Non-Con PvP, and so, I don't engage in it.

What I DO enjoy very much is setting an Aim High Goal, and going for it.

By the way, a lot of my good fortune came from putting a post on my Home Shard forum, looking for people to do Peerless with, not too long after they released ML. I met a lot of nice folks, and even had a couple of the more active PvPers join us for Trammel Peerless, as we had uncannily good luck in getting CCs to drop from the Peerless. A CC can get a Magery Scroll almost by itself.

So...sitting back waiting for everything to get better has never been something I do much of.

I will leave you with a little ditty written by one of my Heros...Mr. Neil Peart.

A song titled "Something for Nothing":

Waiting for the winds of change
To sweep the clouds away
Waiting for the rainbow's end
To cast its gold your way
Countless ways
You pass the days

Waiting for someone to call
And turn your world around
Looking for an answer
To the question you have found
Looking for
An open door

You don't get something for nothing
You can't have freedom for free
You won't get wise
With the sleep still in your eyes
No matter what your dreams might be

What you own is your own kingdom
What you do is your own glory
What you love is your own power
What you live is your own story
In your head is the answer
Let it guide you along
Let your heart be the anchor
And the beat of your own song

You don't get something for nothing
You can't have freedom for free
You won't get wise
With the sleep still in your eyes
No matter what your dreams might be

I won't wait for the Rainbow's End to cast it's gold my way. I am willing to pay the price, and that attitude will serve anyone who is honest with themselves, and willing to pay the price themselves, as well as it has served any and all that embrace it.

Or...you and Popps and everyone else can cry out about the inequities.

When you are done crying about the inequities, you will likely be no further ahead than you are right now.

But I will be, and I will do it doing the things I enjoy.

You DO have a choice, as we all do.

Choose wisely.

You become what you think about the most.

 

[ZidjiN]

Okey lets start with stating that i make my gold by buying cheap selling high.
You can even make good gold mining dont have any exact numbers but im willing to say that 2mill+ each hour is the least you would get.
1) Mining.
I use a humun miner with 100 mining,archery & 80ish chiv weild a Earth elemental slayer crossbow and i ride a fire beetle and i allso bring a separate pack animal. What to do with this char then you ask? First of go buy a lot of gargoyle pick axes and a couple of prospector tools and then recall to a mining cave or mountain in felluca.

Just start to mine and mine and mine, smelt ingots put into pack animal and kill whatever elemental that spawns and make sure to loot the crystaline blackrock.
In this way i allways get at least 20+ Crystalline blackrock in an hours along with special gems and whole lot of ingots.

Sell ingots in 1000's, Sell gems in 10's and Crystaline Blackrock in 10's.
Crrystaline blackrock alone is worth ~800k each 10.

 

[Gellor]

120 magery isn't what I would classify as a 100% must have scroll in most cases. Third or fourth poster had it just about right:
1) Mage weapon use(aka PvP)
2) 100% 8th level spell casting... which aside from EVs and rezes, nobody uses anyways and even then rarely.

I've had 2-3 20 mage scrolls pass through my hands because I had no need for them. NONE of my PvP mages have them.

20M is VERY easy to get with all the tram stuff that lets you earn money. Go do doom... go do peerlesses... go do imbuing.

I got "easy" money by doing the tokuno champ spawn and walking away with futons. Do that champ and get the champ "artifacts" and sell those.

Champs were not intended to be solo'd so complaining about THAT aspect of the game is petty.

Champs WERE intended for a group activity AND bring PvP. For the most part, they have succeeded. No change is needed to scroll drops.

The only change needed is in the "give me everything on a silver platter while I sit AFK" attitude.

 

[Surgeries]

Again, I didn't make my point clearly in the post you quote. Apologies.

Myself, the Circle Alliance, and many others on Catskills DO, repeat DO, spawn and get scrolls for ourselves. This is precisely the point of the Catskills Spawning Network, outlined in detail on the Catskills shard forum: we don't sit back just waiting for stuff to happen; we are proactive!

Lots of us, myself included, run vendors in Luna and elsewhere too.

Not one person I know expects "something for nothing."

La Belle...I apologize.

I should have replied to Popps, not you.

I will say that if the shoe fits, wear it, which it obviously doesn't...and again...very sorry for replying to you, not Popps.

 

[Zayin666]

I would leave this game the same day that a mod tells us that they listen to you and that they feel that your a reliable source of information.
Bye bye.
Gaaaaaah

/Signed

 

[Rainfo X]

While reading through the thread, I was reminded of a friend's experience a few months ago.

I found a guild that was laidback and friendly (we joined it), and it turns out they were willing to go to Felucca to play the champ spawns for the PvM.

One night, my friend went with them to one of the spawns over in T2A and it turns out that PKs showed up, PKed and trashtalked them afterwards. You know, the usual ****. n00bs and *spit* on their corpses or what have you.

Now my good friend, right, seemed really affected when he was telling it to me. Like he was about to cry.

And then he quit.

 

[ZidjiN]

While reading through the thread, I was reminded of a friend's experience a few months ago.

I found a guild that was laidback and friendly (we joined it), and it turns out they were willing to go to Felucca to play the champ spawns for the PvM.

One night, my friend went with them to one of the spawns over in T2A and it turns out that PKs showed up, PKed and trashtalked them afterwards. You know, the usual ****. n00bs and *spit* on their corpses or what have you.

Now my good friend, right, seemed really affected when he was telling it to me. Like he was about to cry.

And then he quit.

Well retardeda ttitude sure isnt something just on the felluca facet. You get the same griefers in trammel, ilshelnar and SA as well.

If your friend didnt like their attitude why didnt he just leave? Thats what i do. If someone starts to be inpolite i just leave them to it and walk away.
Im not trying to be rude in anyway at all but if someone leaves a game casue someone was talking down to them one time i personaly dont think that they enjopyed the game to begin with.

This kinda sounds like made up propaganda or as i said earlier he allready made up his mind about quiting. I have a hard time belive that he left because he was trashtalked once.

 

[Gowron]

While reading through the thread, I was reminded of a friend's experience a few months ago.

I found a guild that was laidback and friendly (we joined it), and it turns out they were willing to go to Felucca to play the champ spawns for the PvM.

One night, my friend went with them to one of the spawns over in T2A and it turns out that PKs showed up, PKed and trashtalked them afterwards. You know, the usual ****. n00bs and *spit* on their corpses or what have you.

Now my good friend, right, seemed really affected when he was telling it to me. Like he was about to cry.

And then he quit.

Seems to me that your friend is a bedwetter. I've seen worse conduct in tram.

 

[Gowron]

Well retardeda ttitude sure isnt something just on the felluca facet. You get the same griefers in trammel, ilshelnar and SA as well.

If your friend didnt like their attitude why didnt he just leave? Thats what i do. If someone starts to be inpolite i just leave them to it and walk away.
Im not trying to be rude in anyway at all but if someone leaves a game casue someone was talking down to them one time i personaly dont think that they enjopyed the game to begin with.

This kinda sounds like made up propaganda or as i said earlier he allready made up his mind about quiting. I have a hard time belive that he left because he was trashtalked once.

I think you put it better than I did. However, in tram when someone starts in on me, I usually return the favor, and rarely am I the one who leaves.

I might have to add that by the time they threaten to page the GM on me, I point out that their language was more harrassment than mine, and that I will gladly await the arrival. That's about the time they realize that they should be doing homework or it's bedtime and leave.

 

[mbraud4]

While reading through the thread, I was reminded of a friend's experience a few months ago.

I found a guild that was laidback and friendly (we joined it), and it turns out they were willing to go to Felucca to play the champ spawns for the PvM.

One night, my friend went with them to one of the spawns over in T2A and it turns out that PKs showed up, PKed and trashtalked them afterwards. You know, the usual ****. n00bs and *spit* on their corpses or what have you.

Now my good friend, right, seemed really affected when he was telling it to me. Like he was about to cry.

And then he quit.

LOL @ ur uber sensitive friend. He must be role play as a sissy boy lol. Some people just cant ignore people or just leave if someone is hurting their feelings. Silly Silly...lol

 

[LordDrago]

While reading through the thread, I was reminded of a friend's experience a few months ago.

I found a guild that was laidback and friendly (we joined it), and it turns out they were willing to go to Felucca to play the champ spawns for the PvM.

One night, my friend went with them to one of the spawns over in T2A and it turns out that PKs showed up, PKed and trashtalked them afterwards. You know, the usual ****. n00bs and *spit* on their corpses or what have you.

Now my good friend, right, seemed really affected when he was telling it to me. Like he was about to cry.

And then he quit.

I had an eerily similar experience.

I was in the abyss when a dark wisp killed me (i know, pretty weak, but it happens to me often enough ). Fortunately, I had spellweaving, and had cast that spell that let's will auto rez me when I die. So I hit the OK button, and there I was standing next to my corpse.

What the hell? the damn dark wisp killed me. Not only that, but then he stood over my two bodies and trashed talked me. Just hanging out ther with his stupid shield on saying things like Xxyngx zyzgiy xzxyxz and so on.

Of course, I didn't up and quit. I figured that might be part of the game, especially since I had voluntarily entered the abyss and the area where the dark wisps were hanging out. I did lose some essences and stuff, but fortunately I had ensured my suit and weapon.

Maybe I will train up a sampire and go show those dark wisps a thing or two, and then stand over their corpses and trash talk some. Anyone know a good English to Wisp dictionary?

 

[CatLord]

How to ruin the monopolistic guilds grasp on spawns on your shard:

plan A.
unite the trammel, the pvm and the players that refuse to join those guilds.
create a shared goal... and build up the shard awareness.
make each of those players understand that each time they buy ANYTHING outside that alliance they might be investing in those guilds/players and shooting their own feet... by promoting more raids (after all the scrolls from raiding do sell)
go to another shard, spawn and bring back the scrolls.

So the plan is... unity, awareness, spawn on another shards and economical sanctions.


plan B
unite everyone again
start liberation wars versus those guilds
start the economical sanctions and only buy from those that spawn with you or your circle.



plan C
unite everyone
fight back using teams of stealth archers in opposing factions
dont spawn until you destroy the morale of your foes
activate the economical sanctions
send stealthers to the scripting sites and ban all scripters



above all... avoid the deals with the fel guilds... the promises of no raiding... or they protect and you do oaks and harrowers and all is shared at the end...


the new insurance fix works great...

leaving only two ways to create chaos and disrupt your efforts...
player greed and vanity... they will try to pull the good pvpers out of your circle.
board propaganda... where they will try to make it look like you are the next monopolistic guild.



keep walking in the straight and the narrow... and you will ban some scripters, kill your foes, finish many spawns, get most scrolls... and change your shard.


a big warning... without raiders and pkers all of the above is pointless and uo would lose its magik... so please cherish your foes and remember... they are the ones that make all of this... a challenge.

otherwise this would be a grinding game... boring, boring...

 

[LordDrago]

One more thing in regards to powerscroll availability and the ability to obtain them. i am pretty much resigned that i will not ever get myself a 120 scroll (at least one I want0 from doing a spawn in fel.

however, I have been farming essences for a little over a month now, not full time, but usually do a run through the abyss when I 1st log on. By my calculations, if i sell what I have now at 300K per 10, I will bring in 22.5 million. i cannot just sit somewhere and farm for hours on end (far too boring). But between these essences, and otehr stuff I have obtained, i could easily afford to get whatever scroll I should want, if I decided to. So I do not think that a 120 magery scroll is out of reach for an average player by a long shot. Just set a goal, and work towards it.

 

[Rainfo X]

Maybe, just maybe, we might show compassion toward others even if we wouldn't do what they chose to do. We can't know from the original post, but maybe the guy who quit had a lot more going wrong in his life beside that single PvP episode. Seeing his rl trouble mirrored in a game might have been the real issue behind his decision to quit. But I dunno. Just sayin'.

Yeah.
Yall need to learn to RESPECT others.

It was my friend you people were talking about. So if you're disrespectin' him, it pisses me off. Yall have absolutely no way to size him up.

If yall can't understand why somebody might not want to continue playing after that, you are either sadistic, soulless or completely addicted.

And popps (if you actually read his posts) was talking about how the issue that I think my story illustrates well. What made you disrespect him? Grow up.

 

[CatLord]

I did set a goal... and it was a blast getting it all to work.

plan a.
unite the shard

spawn on another shard
economical sanctions


plan b.

liberation wars



plan c.

fight back and destroy the raiders



see... not that hard.

 

[ZidjiN]

One more thing in regards to powerscroll availability and the ability to obtain them. i am pretty much resigned that i will not ever get myself a 120 scroll (at least one I want0 from doing a spawn in fel.

however, I have been farming essences for a little over a month now, not full time, but usually do a run through the abyss when I 1st log on. By my calculations, if i sell what I have now at 300K per 10, I will bring in 22.5 million. i cannot just sit somewhere and farm for hours on end (far too boring). But between these essences, and otehr stuff I have obtained, i could easily afford to get whatever scroll I should want, if I decided to. So I do not think that a 120 magery scroll is out of reach for an average player by a long shot. Just set a goal, and work towards it.

Great answer and the bolded part is something that some ppl might have to read more then once.

 

[LordDrago]

I did set a goal... and it was a blast getting it all to work.

plan a.
unite the shard

spawn on another shard
economical sanctions


plan b.

liberation wars



plan c.

fight back and destroy the raiders



see... not that hard.

Catlord: Excellent Idea. i do not think it is that hard for anyone in this game to make friends. And I suspect that if this idea were put forth, there might be an overwhelming number of folks that would sign up for it. They might not, individually, be able to stand up 1 v 1 ina PvP battle with some of the guilds, but by sheer numbers, the battle woul dbe won. Hell, even i would show upo to take part. You all could use my corpse as a shield!!! I could at least keep a PvPer occupied for a smidge enough for him to be taken out of the battle .

 

[Kallie Pigeon]

There is more risk if you play without them. It's fine. I don't worry one little bit about it.

 

[Heart Breaker]

Like I said before, I champ almost daily, therefore I have a vendor that sells 120 PS. It's not in Luna, just out of my house, to get rid of them. I have 29 Power Scrolls on my grand list, and over half of them sell for below a mill each. Most of which sit on my vendor for weeks at a time, so I have to lower the price from time to time. Those are the scrolls that I get 85% of the time when I'm champing. I have 120 vet scrolls coming out of my butt, but no one wants them, even for 350K.

Gold is so easy to make in UO, I just don't understand how there's time or room to complain. Collect leather and sell it, that's how I made my first couple of millions. Having a vendor can make you very rich. Just leave runes at Luna bank everyday. Do some idocs. Mine and sell the ingots. Hell, I just made 500K the other day selling a couple of books of junk bods.

Everyone started out with nothing, you need to either make friends ingame or make some deals or something.

STOP COMPLAINING.

 

[LordDrago]

Yeah.
Yall need to learn to RESPECT others.

It was my friend you people were talking about. So if you're disrespectin' him, it pisses me off. Yall have absolutely no way to size him up.

If yall can't understand why somebody might not want to continue playing after that, you are either sadistic, soulless or completely addicted.

And popps (if you actually read his posts) was talking about how the issue that I think my story illustrates well. What made you disrespect him? Grow up.

Pot/Kettle/and all that. You are jumping on people here too in case you didn't notice. But that happens, just like getting killed/rez killed/trash talked in fel. Sort of part of the game.


When I came back to Uo after a couple of years off, I was playing as a solo player. After a while of bumping into the same people at a spawn, they asked me if I would like to join their guild. I accepted, and have found them to be a great bunch of people. Very Little drama, lots of help, and immense fun.

Bring your friend back. Help him get into a group of people that will help him. In a fight, my characters are not the best (ok, in the guild, i am probably the worst - actually, not even probably, unless someone brings a crafter to a dragon fight, I am the worst). But it is the fun of playing. Dying is just part of the game.heck I rememeber one night where I lost almost 80K in insurance at the spawn (about 20 kills for me). Rough night that was, and rather dissappointing LOL. But FUN to the nth degree.

 

[ZidjiN]

Yeah.
Yall need to learn to RESPECT others.

It was my friend you people were talking about. So if you're disrespectin' him, it pisses me off. Yall have absolutely no way to size him up.

If yall can't understand why somebody might not want to continue playing after that, you are either sadistic, soulless or completely addicted.

And popps (if you actually read his posts) was talking about how the issue that I think my story illustrates well. What made you disrespect him? Grow up.

I dont find my post offensive in anyway. Do you?
I even think that i specified that my intention wasnt to be rude.

Yall need to learn to RESPECT others.

I do untill they cross the line.

If yall can't understand why somebody might not want to continue playing after that, you are either sadistic, soulless or completely addicted.

So who was it that was offensive you say? :gun:
Im not sadistic, Soulless or addicted and no, i cant únder stand why someone leaves a game cause some one says "noob, i keeel you 2sec go to trammel geylord"
The Question that your friend should be asking him self is:

Question: Why Didnt i have as fun today as i had yester day?
Answer: Cause i got killed and ppl treated me like poop.

Question: Should i go back again and see if its only rude teenagers that hang out in felluca?
Answer: Why not. I can allways go back to trammel if they dont show up to be any better then the last time.

Question: Did this "happening" change how fun i allways have had on the other facets before and after this happened?
Answer: No it does not. I can still have as fun as i allways had in this game and i can choose not to interact with the rudies i ran upon in felluca.

 

[CatLord]

I refuse to use meatshields...

if you wish to fight my suggestion is an army of stealth archers with yumis imbued with lightning and velocity... and doubleshot.

raid the raiders... after you make sure you have the right targets.
on catskills we used the cheek policy...
we posted their raids... then the second raid... after that they are kill on sight unless there are characters we dont know or never attacked us...

making sure you have the moral right to fight back is trully important... and dont kill innocents or go in a blood rage...

your stealth archer unit of ninjas should scout and raid... taking the battle to the raiders... then you equip those archers with area damage, mana leeching, lightweight shortbows and slayer, mana leeching, fireball throwing, composite bows...

so you can also spawn safely...

learn to use smoke bombs... and to move in teams... learn to use double or triple mortal strikes on every team attack... and above all...

HAVE FUN...

 

[Rainfo X]

If your friend ever has a desire to try again, send him to Catskills and come along yourself. Although we may fail sometimes, respect for others - "enemies" included - is one of the ideals we try to follow.

I apologize if trying to live according to ideals sounds syrupy and Care-Bearish, but in practice that path is one of the hardest a human being can travel.

Thanks for the offer. Catskills is looking like a happening place to be right now. If I come back I'll try and make a character there and see how I like it. I'll let you know if I ever do.

I dont find my post offensive in anyway. Do you?
I even think that i specified that my intention wasnt to be rude.

ZidjiN - it wasn't you really. I think your posts are good. I also had some anger from people being rude to popps.

Ok more on topic.

Part of my deal with this whole part of the economy is that when people are talking about making gold, they're not talking about farming gold, as Connor said earlier; they're talking about selling items.

When you farm specifically for gold as a natural resource you realize it is rather time-consuming to make. Somebody is constantly farming to provide the millions that are going around in the economy, and what with online gold sellers, Luna shoppers, etc., it's obvious to me that the market is inflated.

That said, I think I'll just have to give in to the way it is, as opposed to how I would like it to be, and try and get a solid group together who will do the things I want to do. I really would like to just run some Doom.
I'd like a pair of those Inquisitor Resolutions, too, but I might have to just shell out some money for those.

I still think it would be nice if champ spawns dropped PS's in Tram since a lot of PvMers want scrolls too plenty who aren't into playing the money game and/or buying gold online. If I could, I'd just add a few champ spawns and a harrower to give PvMers the same opportunity.

IMO supply and demand outweighs risk vs. reward in this situation and I think it would do the game good. Maybe my friend wouldn't have quit.

Anyways...

Sure, I made some money selling a Mempo or two, but I'd much rather be able to farm the gold straight from the source, dragons n **** and ideally get drops for myself.

Hell, I did 10+ champ spawns in T2a with my old guild and never got a 120.

For what it's worth, I actually have a stealth archer I made. He just needs some decent gear (oh and some power scrolls would be nice), and I think he would be quite alright. I heard they nerfed archers though(?). I only made him because I knew I had to have a PvP character if I wanted to spawn...

Listen, now, call me out on whatever you think I'm wrong about, but don't be rude about it. I'm a returning player and this is just how it seems to me.

 

[popps]

P.S. I do have one 120 Magery which I would let go at the lower 30 millions end, let me know

Hypocrite.

Ahem..... the smiley face was intended as sarcasm........

 

[UOKaiser]

I still think it would be nice if champ spawns dropped PS's in Tram since a lot of PvMers want scrolls too plenty who aren't into playing the money game and/or buying gold online. If I could, I'd just add a few champ spawns and a harrower to give PvMers the same opportunity.

QUOTE]

Heh this part is a contradiction. Imagine your a pvm,Mind you your a pvm player you don't like pvp. Why would you kill a monster That you killed before? Fun? Ok lets say you killed every monster in the game why would you kill them again? Now when you do kill them will you bother to open there corpse? Why would you open that corpse? Do you want what they drop? Why do you want what they drop? What will you do with it?Will you sell it?Will you unravel it to get items to make better weapons and armor to fight the monster again? But you already killed it? Why kill it again? Will you open the corpse again? What will you do with the items or unraveling equipment or things you don't need cause your character is already maxed? What is the point of your character maxed you only gonna kill the monsters again?. Then open that corpse up.
That's right you play the money game. Sell what you don't need for gold to buy what you do and even though you finaly bought everything you need to kill the highest of the beast you will continue to open the corpse and sell to increase your gold to buy rares and have more gold.
Why? cause your a pvm player thats why!! This is what we do!! We slay beast for there treasures and increase our wealth. We increase our venders we craft to sell our wares to increase our wealth. Why if when the servers come down nothing matter? Cause we are pvm players this is our accomplishments this is why we continue to pay money month after month. We farm cause this is our enjoyment, We craft cause this is what we enjoy,we receive gold as our rewards for our enjoyment. This is what a pvm player is!

 

[mbraud4]

Well, this thread is finished. Let's all move on.

 

[CatLord]

so basically...

Socialism... refers to the various theories of economic organization advocating either public or direct worker ownership and administration of the means of production and allocation of resources.

socialism is an economic system based on economic rationalization in order to eliminate the anarchy of production with the goal of developing an economy of superabundance; an economic system that has transcended commodity production and wage labor, where economic activity is carried out to maximize use-value as opposed to exchange value and thus a corresponding change in economic relations such as how economic institutions are organized and how resources are allocated, often referring to a method of compensation based on the amount of labor expended.


welcome aboard...

 

[popps]

Ive been actively posting on this forum for years and i belibve that i more or less never been rude or inpolite to anyone.
I would like to see my self as someone who trys my best to help ppl out in what ever way i can.

Anyway this might not be my most poilte reply and it wasnt my iontention to be polite eithyer. Im sick and *****tiered to read the same biased **** all day.
Popps i think im one of these players that you talk about that get a 120 magery every 30 minutes. Heres some questions and answeres for you.

Talking about this, hardly a post of mine can be found where I may have sounded aggressive or not polite to anyone.
Not even when others jump on me and, it is not a rare occurrance.

I respect others and I wished others respected me just as well.

I discuss issues about the game I play, not people.

Whats the problem? Do you think that you need a maxed out suit and a Uber guild to make a champ spawn? Ive done countless of spawns solo, with nothing more then a 60+ resist suit with LRC.
And Yes i do belive that thats something that every member of this game could get if they wanted to.

Champion spawns from start to finish SOLO with the killing of the boss with nothing but a 60+ resist suit with only LRC on ? Ok.................

Why wouldnt it? I think its good that certain itemd drops at certain spawns, that makes it possibe to farm for something you really want.
I dont hear whine that Doom arties doesnt drop of ogrelords, Mongbats, and whatnot.
Jeeeeeesssus.

Much shorter time? Buy a limited number of players?
If by "limited numbers of players" you mean the once that farm for it your correct. But isnt that how everything in this game works?
If you want leather you kill something that drops leather.
If you want Solen stuff you go do those quests.
If you want doom arties you go to Doom.
How would you like it to work? Kill a ratmen and have the chanse for everything from a blankscroll to an ornament of the magician to drop?
I just dont get your logic.

Your talking about that the once who gets the scrolls get their money faster then someone who farms something ellse for the same amount of money.
Im willing to bet you 100mill on that i can farm 10 million together faster on the trammel ruleset then you can in fell if your all allone and noone interferes.

I think something is missing in the discussion.

It is, that while many trammel players have problems with hunting for their powerscrolls in Felucca, the same usually is not for felucca powerscroll hunters who actively hunt what they want in Doom, Peerless, whatever.

This effectively creates an inbalance.

Since the powerscrolls hunters have all they need, or have the resources and possibility to get them be them Felucca or Trammel, they DO NOT NEED to buy them from the trammel players.

What I am trying to say, is that because of the inbalance the demand for powerscrolls is far higher than the demand for non powerscroll items.

That is, powerscrolls sell, relatively speaking, much better than other items.

Why ?

Because while many players feel cut out from powerscrolls, and so feel obligated to buy them as their only way to get them, those who hunt powerscrolls if they need anything from Doom, Peerless or SA they just go and get it.

So, there is less gold changing hands for non powerscrolls items than there is for powerscrolls, IMHO.

Non powerscroll hunters are at a gross disadvantage, therefore.

Do you think that thats how it works to get a power scroll thats worth 10+mill. Go do one spawn and allways get away with a top en scroll?
Common.... It takes a lot of time, not 30 minutes.

With protection on, conveniently perhaps on a second account character parked in a safe location of the spawn, a single spawn can yield to a solo player 12 powerscrolls.

While not all can be 120s chances are that out of 12 scrolls received some of them will be.......

So, even if one does not get a 12 magery 120 in a 30 minutes spawn hunt, whatever scrolls will come out among those 12 will still be quite a good revenue....

 

[CatLord]

hey popps something weird... about all of this.

the thread wasnt locked...

 

[popps]

Because some players enjoy the PVP aspect of the game which most trammies forget was a huge part of original UO and was toned down to accommodate those who do not enjoy the playstyle by introducing the trammel facet.

The reason for PvP should be the challenge to fight versus a NON computer run opponent (that is why it is called PvP, player versus player....).

This means, that the ONE REASON for PvP should NOT be over items (namely powerscrolls....) but SIMPLY and MERELY to have a fight that is more challenging than fighting a computer run opponent.

Unfortunately, at least to my opinion, Champion Spawns are hardly this.

No item in the game should be exclusively obtainable through PvP.

Those who wish to PvP should do it simply and exclusively for the challenge of fighting another human rather than a computer run opponent and never ever because of any item.

I have heard too many times the argument that Felucca was deserted of players and "something" was needed to bait players into it so that other players could have opponents to fight.

I am sorry, but this is not the kind of honorable PvP I would like.

Players, IMHO, should fight players for the sake of it (that is the greater challenge), not because of any item.