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*has a mental image of stealthers sneaking around while wearing glow in the dark bright neon blaze cloaks*
yep. let em refine it, get it right, and then release it.
Instead of tossing it out just to get it off the want list.
yep. let em refine it, get it right, and then release it.
Instead of tossing it out just to get it off the want list.
Do you have a mental image of stealthers walking hidden in broad daylight right in front of the eyes of other characters?
I don't care how much drab clothing you're wearing, you probably wouldn't be hidden from sight.
[sarcasm]Woohoo! another grind-to-get-your-rare-colored-pet-and-sell-for-hundreds-of-RL-dolars system! I can't wait![/sarcasm]
I would have rather looked at pets in colors I think are bizzare for an animal of that sort then be subjected to killing millions of a certain creature in the futile hope that one the color I want will not only spawn, but spawn with decent stats!
I would have rather looked at pets in colors I think are bizzare for an animal of that sort then be subjected to killing millions of a certain creature in the futile hope that one the color I want will not only spawn, but spawn with decent stats!
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Kiminality
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I'm going to pretend I didn't see half of the responses in this thread coming, and act surprised:
It actually encourages me, that apparently, a fair portion of the playerbase has some aesthetic taste.
Having different hues available for pets isn't necessarily a bad thing.
Having the same selection of hues, sitting varyingly between good and ugly, available for every pet is something that I'm very pleased the devs have decided against. That, and more natural hues.
And, everything else, actually.
It actually encourages me, that apparently, a fair portion of the playerbase has some aesthetic taste.
Having different hues available for pets isn't necessarily a bad thing.
Having the same selection of hues, sitting varyingly between good and ugly, available for every pet is something that I'm very pleased the devs have decided against. That, and more natural hues.
And, everything else, actually.
I love the people who think their personal taste is better than everyone else's. Humility is one of the virtues you know.I'm going to pretend I didn't see half of the responses in this thread coming, and act surprised:
It actually encourages me, that apparently, a fair portion of the playerbase has some aesthetic taste.
Having different hues available for pets isn't necessarily a bad thing.
Having the same selection of hues, sitting varyingly between good and ugly, available for every pet is something that I'm very pleased the devs have decided against. That, and more natural hues.
And, everything else, actually.
I want a hue that looks psychedelic so I can offend everyone and myself at the same time! 
Kinda like the snow in the winter, I just love to go blind and be reminded it's dark, gloomy and cold outside already. If we have to have this please put a toggle in for those of us who don't wish to look at this mess...including a toggle for snow and a toggle for foliage in Fel...
Please provide toggles for offending things like pet colors (when you add them), weather including snow and rain and a toggle for Fel foliage. I will love you even longer than I already have if this can happen.
Kinda like the snow in the winter, I just love to go blind and be reminded it's dark, gloomy and cold outside already. If we have to have this please put a toggle in for those of us who don't wish to look at this mess...including a toggle for snow and a toggle for foliage in Fel...Please provide toggles for offending things like pet colors (when you add them), weather including snow and rain and a toggle for Fel foliage. I will love you even longer than I already have if this can happen.
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I am happy that they are going to take their time with it and NOT rush it. I myself would love to see a Forest Dragon (Green) A water Dragon (blue) A Lava Dragon (Dark Red and orange) And Volcano Ash Dragon (Grayish)
I was NOT against doing them at all but dyes I think are silly. Taming these dragons that spawn (on the water) such as the water dragon would bring back a reason to sail would it not?
I also hope they got my I can do you survey and vote no 100 times if I wanted to by simply changing my IP.
I was NOT against doing them at all but dyes I think are silly. Taming these dragons that spawn (on the water) such as the water dragon would bring back a reason to sail would it not?
I also hope they got my I can do you survey and vote no 100 times if I wanted to by simply changing my IP.
There's plenty of things where objective standards make sense, but color sense isn't really one of them.I'm going to pretend I didn't see half of the responses in this thread coming, and act surprised:
It actually encourages me, that apparently, a fair portion of the playerbase has some aesthetic taste.
Having different hues available for pets isn't necessarily a bad thing.
Having the same selection of hues, sitting varyingly between good and ugly, available for every pet is something that I'm very pleased the devs have decided against. That, and more natural hues.
And, everything else, actually.
I do not like neon colors in UO or anyplace else. But to my surprise I've met plenty of people who do like neon, inside of UO and outside of it as well.
Add to this the fact that the pet colors, especially the second list, weren't really neon in any meaningful sense.
I'm spending way too much time arguing about an issue that doesn't really impact me much....Creepy. I just don't get why people were this opposed to it. You'd think, from all the weird passion on the issue, that they were adding a duping machine!
-Galen's player
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Gellor
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ROFL at the people pancakes about EA listening to the "vocal" minority crack. Uh... hate to break it to you but when they listen to Stratics, that is all they are listening to.
Glad to see they took the time to run a survey and listen to the results it gave. It restores some of my faith in them... a bare minimum... but that improves from where they were in my mind
Makes me wish they would do more public surveys in the future rather than listen to the 10 people who post on stratics
Glad to see they took the time to run a survey and listen to the results it gave. It restores some of my faith in them... a bare minimum... but that improves from where they were in my mind
Makes me wish they would do more public surveys in the future rather than listen to the 10 people who post on stratics
Thank you for taking the time to make this better!
Just to clarify, I like the TOT neon dyes.
And I would love more variation in pet colours. Just felt that dyes may not be the best way and some of the colours are not suitable. As mentioned in my other thread, it will be really cool as a feature for pet breeding.
However, I also fully understand it's a feasibility study for adding more features with minimal coding (ie modifying existing TC air fresheners codes to prodo shards).
Based on that, I did give positive feedback though, ie restricting certain colours to certain types of pets
Just to clarify, I like the TOT neon dyes.
And I would love more variation in pet colours. Just felt that dyes may not be the best way and some of the colours are not suitable. As mentioned in my other thread, it will be really cool as a feature for pet breeding.
However, I also fully understand it's a feasibility study for adding more features with minimal coding (ie modifying existing TC air fresheners codes to prodo shards).
Based on that, I did give positive feedback though, ie restricting certain colours to certain types of pets
Well... they did make the chicken lizard breeding system. Perhaps they could leverage that?
*I know I'm daydreaming but might as well while we have artists and engineers ears!*
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guum
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Talk about something handled badly from start to finish. First, a feature that many would like but which was implemented sloppily. Then, letting the results of polls dictate whether to proceed with that feature and what parts of it to keep or discard. Then saying that the feature will go through, albeit trimmed a bit, to which there is howling on UHall. Finally, shelving the whole thing because enough people complained loudly and repeatedly enough.
Lesson: if you're going to do something, devs, do it right, and be confident in it when you do. You can't please everyone, ever -- when UO's future starts blowing back and forth with the whims of poll numbers or the "dialog" on UHall, bad things will surely follow.
Lesson: if you're going to do something, devs, do it right, and be confident in it when you do. You can't please everyone, ever -- when UO's future starts blowing back and forth with the whims of poll numbers or the "dialog" on UHall, bad things will surely follow.
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Heartseeker
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The dev team has no confidence.
It is pathetic that a bunch of cry babies can reverse a system that was being implemented days before launch.
What kind of company asks its subscribers if it is OK to do something?
A company lacking in direction and one that is walking on egg shells.
This dye thing should of been done right from the start, and released without a hiccup.
The sad thing is that this system will most likely be shelved, along with the quest, for a long time.
It is pathetic that a bunch of cry babies can reverse a system that was being implemented days before launch.
What kind of company asks its subscribers if it is OK to do something?
A company lacking in direction and one that is walking on egg shells.
This dye thing should of been done right from the start, and released without a hiccup.
The sad thing is that this system will most likely be shelved, along with the quest, for a long time.
They are going to do it in a correct manner instead of just handing out dyes that completely rehues a pet.
People have been begging for the same thing for plants for AGES. There have been massive threads with fan art of how plants should look like, as opposed to how they are. Patience is a virtue, and I hope they have the engineers/artists take a look at plants while they are at it.
People have been begging for the same thing for plants for AGES. There have been massive threads with fan art of how plants should look like, as opposed to how they are. Patience is a virtue, and I hope they have the engineers/artists take a look at plants while they are at it.
If they hadn't asked, there would be just as many players complaining that the "devs never listen to the players" and so on. Devs who do what they feel is best, get trashed... devs that reach out to players, get their hand bitten off.
"They are damned if they do and damned if they don't."
What he said.
I am actually surprised that people would view devs listening to the playerbase as a bad thing...
I see this as a very positive thing. Even for prodo systems, they have similarly received our feedback and responded by adjusting parts of the game even when it was introduced (of the top of my mind, the most recent is SL manisfestation spawn in tokuno).
Please also understand that that whatever they have put into retribution test centre is in beta TEST. And subject to change. There is no issue of confidence here nor has anything been reversed. The survey is simply a feasibility study. They did not ask if they should release SA nor did they ask for our permission to introduce gargoyles in SA.
I know a portion of folks would be happy with the current pet dyes as it is. But there is no reason why they can't get a win-win situation by making it even better and win over the other portion of players.
Just a polite thank you for taking something that was obviously divisive to the community at a critical expansion time and reviewing it further. Very classy move.
Also, I saw a few references once again to Cal's interview and referring to part of the community as carebears. While I'm sure if the opportunity presented itself he might rephrase that comment, I will say this is a fella who seems very invested in UO and really wants all facets to feel it's success. He has done a lot to keep UO on the radar and I am quick to forgive any missteps like that when the team is willing to take our collective voices and keep this game going. We all have our reasons for playing and mine is the community. Thank you.
Also, I saw a few references once again to Cal's interview and referring to part of the community as carebears. While I'm sure if the opportunity presented itself he might rephrase that comment, I will say this is a fella who seems very invested in UO and really wants all facets to feel it's success. He has done a lot to keep UO on the radar and I am quick to forgive any missteps like that when the team is willing to take our collective voices and keep this game going. We all have our reasons for playing and mine is the community. Thank you.
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Kiminality
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I love being loved.
Thing is, obviously enough of a cross section of players and the developers were open to the same misgivings I felt, about the potentially shallow use of a not-always-pretty hueing system.
If not wanting to see green horses, or red llamas, and being pleased that the aforementioned group both agree, and were sufficient enough in weight to have influence is indicative of a lack of humility...
Then, colour me prideful.
Thank you devs for listening to reason.
Do the hues right or don't do them at all.
Or do war paint or saddles rather.
Do the hues right or don't do them at all.
Or do war paint or saddles rather.
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Trebr Drab
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Saddles and barding that add to the armor ratings of horses to help them stay alive, and add to their damage and skill, and done in good art and style, that would be a great thing. And collars and harnesses for other pets too.
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Aboo
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Do you not have the self control to post without insulting anyone who doesn't share your views???
Lumping everyone into one derogatory category is a big mistake. I am sure you would consider me a "trammie" but my preference is to have the current more "natural" color to pets. So not ALL "trammies" want this and I am pretty sure there are a number of fellies who would like the more colorful pets.
*Shrug*
They have information available to them that we do not and gives them the ability to focus on the "Big Picture" more so than we do as individuals. That does not guarantee they will make the "best" decision, it simply means they are better informed than we are. History suggest they will make a better decision, based on being better informed than we would being less informed.
Now then, they had a pretty straight forward and simple process to allow people to express their individuality at NO COST TO OTHERS GAME PLAY. The "In the eye of the beholder" became a game play deal breaker, meaning one could not possibly do a champion spawn if a Greater Dragon showed up that was colored Purple.
Now then we have another bullet to shoot down other people "In the Eye of the Beholder" because it doesn't work for me.
I can only hope that they will come out with a system that is equally simple and straight forward and NOT SOME HIDEOUSLY COMPLICATED RUBE GOLDBERG SCHEME based on some ones desire to spend millions of hours pushing millions of buttons.
They have information available to them that we do not and gives them the ability to focus on the "Big Picture" more so than we do as individuals. That does not guarantee they will make the "best" decision, it simply means they are better informed than we are. History suggest they will make a better decision, based on being better informed than we would being less informed.
Now then, they had a pretty straight forward and simple process to allow people to express their individuality at NO COST TO OTHERS GAME PLAY. The "In the eye of the beholder" became a game play deal breaker, meaning one could not possibly do a champion spawn if a Greater Dragon showed up that was colored Purple.
Now then we have another bullet to shoot down other people "In the Eye of the Beholder" because it doesn't work for me.
I can only hope that they will come out with a system that is equally simple and straight forward and NOT SOME HIDEOUSLY COMPLICATED RUBE GOLDBERG SCHEME based on some ones desire to spend millions of hours pushing millions of buttons.
Saddles & brides for horses : YES! YES! YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Collars for dragons?.......... I would like dragons & the such to keep a "wild" look; even when they're tamed.
And breeding : what an awesome idea!!!!
Ideed there is a lot to do to improve UO yet
*edit* : Oh, and btw there should be a speed factor for horses! (and that speed should be able to be raised when training the horse/mare/steed -same for jump).
Collars for dragons?..........
I would like dragons & the such to keep a "wild" look; even when they're tamed.And breeding : what an awesome idea!!!!
Ideed there is a lot to do to improve UO yet
*edit* : Oh, and btw there should be a speed factor for horses! (and that speed should be able to be raised when training the horse/mare/steed -same for jump).
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BLAU
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I want to show respect for Dev-Team having done decision to reconsider a plan.
It is important that you listen to the opinion of the opposition to reduce rejection.
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It is important that you listen to the opinion of the opposition to reduce rejection.
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Mephistos
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The sad part is, players have actually already done the hard part of dying the plants, and shown the results, and yet we still don't have nicely colored plants. Do you honestly think they're going to get these pets done within the next 6-7 years with all the different animations needed to be changed?
I wasn't all that thrilled with pet dyes, as I rarely ever play my tamer. After looking at JC the Builders picture of shadow, green, and red dragons (the purple wasn't my style, but who am I to say someone else might not like it), I thought I may actually give these a shot. Not anymore though...
I don't mind that you think rehues are ugly. Again, I have no problem with people having personal tastes. It's when you take shots at others for not agreeing with you with arrogant statements like this indicating that those who don't agree with you don't have aesthetic taste:
You aren't the only one who made an argument, mind you, and yours wasn't even all that bad. There were a whole slew of people who made statements like this and many much more arrogant. It all goes back to that empty argument that if people don't agree with your personal taste, they don't have any taste. Now initially I was torn on which way to vote but all the arrogant we've-got-taste-you-guys-suck posts convinced me I didn't want to be associated with that.
Me personally, I like the artwork players offered up better than the rehues. Having said that, I was perfectly fine with the rehues. Why? Because I've seen them for 12 years when monsters targeted me for battle and would highlight. In those 12 years, it never bothered me. It never bothered me when EMs used rehues for the villain creatures in their events. Is the fact that highlighted monsters didn't bother me for 12 years indicative that I have no aesthetic taste?
Because you might fall into the same category as I've never seen anyone complain about how ugly monsters are when they hue for battle.
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slaveone
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The Pet hues looked great to me. All except for the Black one that was way to dark it should have been a more toned down black like the color of a nightmare or something not true black like a black dye tub.
I'm not sure why anyone would be against this unless they have monetary reasons like owning some pet with a rare color etc.. As it is players are running around in all types of colored armor and clothes that looks much sillyer than the purposed colors for the pets. At this point this game needs all the new things it can get to keep people interested and playing. The game has kinda been at a low point for about the past year and a half. Lets get the pet dyes in game ASAP!
I'm not sure why anyone would be against this unless they have monetary reasons like owning some pet with a rare color etc.. As it is players are running around in all types of colored armor and clothes that looks much sillyer than the purposed colors for the pets. At this point this game needs all the new things it can get to keep people interested and playing. The game has kinda been at a low point for about the past year and a half. Lets get the pet dyes in game ASAP!
Last I heard you can bring pets into Fel....I guess you are just confused.
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Trebr Drab
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As far as Dragons go, I would really like to see different breeds, and different breath attacks, like in Dungeons and Dragons. This cheap way of doing everything, while they can pump it out much faster and cheaper, adds up, and eventually the game seems cheaper and cheaper for it. I'd rather see things done right than fast.
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Orn Autumnleaf
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I'm satisfied they did this after seeing the actual pet colors on pets! Glad they gave us the poll and didn't go entirely by the forums.
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Tanis333
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Good to see the devs haven't totally lost touch with the spirit of UO. Maybe a lot of people were/are in favour of the idea; but maybe the comments of the people who love this world and take pride in its integrity rang true. I myself still long for the day that magic items revert to being what they were (I miss my silver Katana), I know it will never come now but still......
People are slowly killing the magic of Sosaria but the true fans will continue their noble cause/fight. Rant over. Thanks.
Just noticed BLAU's post, now that could work, if they can get it to work of course. Still I would like to see only natural earthie colours, but if it was done as it is in BLAU's pictures it would be a good compromise.
People are slowly killing the magic of Sosaria but the true fans will continue their noble cause/fight. Rant over. Thanks.
Just noticed BLAU's post, now that could work, if they can get it to work of course. Still I would like to see only natural earthie colours, but if it was done as it is in BLAU's pictures it would be a good compromise.
Another arrogant I-Love-Ultima-Better-Than-You post.
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Mephistos
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Actually, they ignored the polls and went entirely by the 30-40 people complaining on the forums.I'm satisfied they did this after seeing the actual pet colors on pets! Glad they gave us the poll and didn't go entirely by the forums.
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Trebr Drab
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Where do you see this? Facts/links?
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Gellor
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Are you privy to what their polls said? I'd be surprised if you did have a clue what was said in the polls.
If they did indeed go "entirely by the 30-40 people complaining on the forums", then it is business as usual for EA and you are pissed that YOUR group of 30-40 wasn't complaining enough
Ahh... the joys of hypocrisy.
They did mention that votes against pet dyes didn't even reach the 40% threshold so he at least has some basis for his statement.Are you privy to what their polls said? I'd be surprised if you did have a clue what was said in the polls.
If they did indeed go "entirely by the 30-40 people complaining on the forums", then it is business as usual for EA and you are pissed that YOUR group of 30-40 wasn't complaining enough
Ahh... the joys of hypocrisy.
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Mephistos
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Just check the previous long thread discussing this. 31 total people accounted for 60% of all the posts there (275 posts by them/458 total posts at the time). As for the polls, Regine stated here the results.
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Mephistos
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I'm upset that they are giving in to crybabies, yeah, you got that right. Why have a poll, if you're not going to go by it.Are you privy to what their polls said? I'd be surprised if you did have a clue what was said in the polls.
If they did indeed go "entirely by the 30-40 people complaining on the forums", then it is business as usual for EA and you are pissed that YOUR group of 30-40 wasn't complaining enough
Ahh... the joys of hypocrisy.
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Gellor
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Which is standard EA practice.
However, the data you point to isn't crystal clear.
Does the well below 40% only account for people who said "hell no, get that weak sauce out of here"?
Does the well below 40% account for people who wanted it adjusted somehow?
The post you link doesn't provide any clear information.
It also doesn't tell you how many 100% liked the idea as presented. Anyone ever think that maybe only 10% liked it as presented?
Until any hard data is presented and not the above linked vague reply, anyone who is complaining about EA caving to the will of the minority is merely speculating and is upset they didn't get their way this time.
The fact that EA didn't completely throw the idea of new hued pets implies that 40% number was people who absolutely hated the idea. It also implies there was enough people interested in some form of huing just not the way they presented it.
Short of EA doing these patch window shown surveys, they are purely relying upon Stratics posters... which ARE the vocal minority. Due to moderation techniques, many people will NOT post or read Stratics. Add in language barriers and the 20 regular posters on stratics don't represent even a fraction of players nor do they represent what an average player is.
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Mephistos
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Honestly, it doesn't matter anymore. The idea was thrown out there, a lot of people seemed to like it, and it was shot down. The reality is, people can dream and theorize all they want, but I personally cannot see them EVER implementing any version other than the one that was presented. Plants could have been rehued years ago if it were that easy, and apparently it's not.
Hardly.
The "yes" vote was still ahead but you will remember that the survey and polls had more than just a yes/no option. A considerable number of the people who voted yes were only in favor conditional to certain modifications being made, most of which couldn't be handled simply from the design side and that would require way more time than what we have left before launch.
There is no point putting in something if even the majority that wants it will be disappointed with it. There is a time to stick to your guns and there's a time where it's just common sense to back down. In this instance, most of us agreed with a number of the issues/concerns that you guys raised. So we're going back to the drawing boards with the assistance of the people who can actually make what you guys wish for happen (artists and engineers).
Gellor: When you've quite finished leaping to erroneous conclussions you might try looking around a bit, and maybe re-reading things.
1. the survey was linked to from uoforums as well as Stratics. I don't frequent many other sites, so I'm not sure if there were more.
2. Regine's previous post referred to 'results from Japan'. Stratics posters were not the only group consulted, by any means.
1. the survey was linked to from uoforums as well as Stratics. I don't frequent many other sites, so I'm not sure if there were more.
2. Regine's previous post referred to 'results from Japan'. Stratics posters were not the only group consulted, by any means.
If you read the long pet hues thread you will see that many were FOR prt colours but they just wanted it implemented better. In the end it looks like thats what were getting. So .. those "crybabies" will get you your pet dyes ... only better.
You obviously know nothing about polls then. Polls are generally not conducted as a decision making process (except maybe in politics). Polls are conducted to weigh opinion and there are other factors that will always be taken into account before a decision is made.
Regine, if you do another poll can you ask if players want the rehued neon green ostard graphic for ridgebacks or the current graphic which doesn't seem to be all that popular.
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Calis M^N
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maybe do a servey before they spend time adding the content? im sure they could of come up with pictures and coloured the pets to give us an idea with out actually adding it as content hell photoshop would of done... then they wouldnt of had to work on it and saved time and or money on man hours sorry and woman hours!